Super Bowl XLIII Thread - Page 10

GrantDawg · 02-01-2009, 09:23 PM

It was a fumble, and I don't think Holmes had both feet down. It was a strange, exciting game. My wife was rooting for the Cards, which was fun to watch.

rowech · 02-01-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe Obama will at least demand an explanation of why that call wasn't reviewed, lord knows that the increasingly shrill Michaels & Madden aren't going to question anything while doing their best imitation of Tony Schiavone. I'm really surprised they didn't call this the greatest Monday Nitro ever.

Nah...he wanted Pittsubrgh to win...that's why it went down the way it did. (that'll be my final conspiracy call for the night)

rowech · 02-01-2009, 09:23 PM

And there it is!!!!! Obama called in a favor for the Steelers to win. (okay...that was the last one)

DanGarion · 02-01-2009, 09:24 PM

What's up with the Seahawks hat?

Tekneek · 02-01-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Nah...he wanted Pittsubrgh to win...that's why it went down the way it did. (that'll be my final conspiracy call for the night)

And he was the first to be thanked as well... Very interesting!

SirFozzie · 02-01-2009, 09:25 PM

"Steelers Football is 60 minutes.. and friendly referees"

(with the amount of bogus calls against the Cardinals tonight, you won't convince me otherwise)

JonInMiddleGA · 02-01-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

What's up with the Seahawks hat?

+1

Galaxy · 02-01-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

"Steelers Football is 60 minutes.. and friendly referees"

(with the amount of bogus calls against the Cardinals tonight, you won't convince me otherwise)

I don't see how you could overturn that call. They should of reviewed it, but I don't see it changing.

mtolson · 02-01-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

That's how I saw it too. Looked like a pretty clear "empty hand" to me.

To me it looked like the hit from behind forced him to cup his hand and forced his arm in close to his body. Looking at it via TIVO he had full control of the ball when his arm first started moving forward, it was just in a jacked up position. He ended up shoving the ball forward. He had control when his arm first started moving forward, should have been a fumble.

SirFozzie · 02-01-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

I don't see how you could overturn that call. They should of reviewed it, but I don't see it changing.

The ball was still in his hand when it started forward. CLEARLY an incomplete pass.

Even if it was, it's a bullshit copout not to review it.

Galaxy · 02-01-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

To me it looked like the hit from behind forced him to cup his hand and forced his arm in close to his body. Looking at it via TIVO he had full control of the ball when his arm first started moving forward, it was just in a jacked up position. He ended up shoving the ball forward. He had control when his arm first started moving forward, should have been a fumble.

However, is it conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field?

DanGarion · 02-01-2009, 09:28 PM

Mr. Sak is probably drooling right this second from the Caddy commercial...

Front Office Midget · 02-01-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe Obama will at least demand an explanation of why that call wasn't reviewed, lord knows that the increasingly shrill Michaels & Madden aren't going to question anything while doing their best imitation of Tony Schiavone. I'm really surprised they didn't call this the greatest Monday Nitro ever.

The most important night in sports entertainment history.

DanGarion · 02-01-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

To me it looked like the hit from behind forced him to cup his hand and forced his arm in close to his body. Looking at it via TIVO he had full control of the ball when his arm first started moving forward, it was just in a jacked up position. He ended up shoving the ball forward. He had control when his arm first started moving forward, should have been a fumble.

+1

Atocep · 02-01-2009, 09:29 PM

The NFL has to be thrilled. Another great Super Bowl where the only thing that will be talked about is the officiating.

CU Tiger · 02-01-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

To me it looked like the hit from behind forced him to cup his hand and forced his arm in close to his body. Looking at it via TIVO he had full control of the ball when his arm first started moving forward, it was just in a jacked up position. He ended up shoving the ball forward. He had control when his arm first started moving forward, should have been a fumble.

I agree whole heartedly, but even more so I think that to not want the head referee to at least have a second look is definitely an interesting decision.

Chief Rum · 02-01-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

To me it looked like the hit from behind forced him to cup his hand and forced his arm in close to his body. Looking at it via TIVO he had full control of the ball when his arm first started moving forward, it was just in a jacked up position. He ended up shoving the ball forward. He had control when his arm first started moving forward, should have been a fumble.

Huh? I must be misunderstanding you. From your description, that sounds like it should have been an incomplete pass.

Galaxy · 02-01-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

The ball was still in his hand when it started forward. CLEARLY an incomplete pass.

Even if it was, it's a bullshit copout not to review it.

It wasn't clear. It looked the ball was coming out just before the defensive player hit him and his arm started to move forward. Just look at the responses on the forum.

I do agree with you on the second part. The key is it has to be conclusive to overturn it. It was not.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-01-2009, 09:31 PM

And Bob Costas prevents me from being disappointed, he delivers the "one of the very best" line to complete the sports entertainment feel.

sterlingice · 02-01-2009, 09:32 PM

My commercials for the night

1) Hyundai - car of the year
2) Coke Zero - Mean Troy
3) Firestone - Mr Potato Head

For artistic merit: Coke - Bugs stealing coke

Will be liked by the ad meter but not very funny and overrated: Doritos

SI

Chief Rum · 02-01-2009, 09:34 PM

My main thing is, the D-player never hit the ball, just Warner's arm, and Warner still had control of the ball after the hit. So how does the ball go forward if Warner's not throwing it?

Chief Rum · 02-01-2009, 09:35 PM

Yup, true, it wasn't clear enough to overturn.

In the end, AZ losing is down to some awful defensive play on the drive before, when they had the Steelers against the wall.

Matthean · 02-01-2009, 09:35 PM

This was one of the few Super Bowls that made me feel like I needed the oxygen tank after it.

PurdueBrad · 02-01-2009, 09:38 PM

I think Whisenhunt is very right though in that the end of the first half in a lot of ways was the difference maker. Not only does Pittsburgh get a score but Arizona was going to (likely) get at least 3 (maybe 7), so that was a huge scoreboard swing as they would've tied or even taken the lead.

I think what a couple posters have said regarding the last play is correct, I don't think it is conclusive enough to make the overturn.

All that being said, I'm off to enjoy the evening. Cards fans, great game by your team, and other Steelers fans, congrats!

Eaglesfan27 · 02-01-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yup, true, it wasn't clear enough to overturn.

In the end, AZ losing is down to some awful defensive play on the drive before, when they had the Steelers against the wall.

I think that was 1 factor, but I still think the biggest issue is that Arizona didn't come up with enough creative ways to get the ball to Fitzgerald earlier in the game. I still can't believe he only had 1 touch late in the 3rd quarter.

Chief Rum · 02-01-2009, 09:39 PM

Yup, agree with both PB and EF27.

Thomkal · 02-01-2009, 09:39 PM

well as a biased Cards fan, I thought that was a fumble with Warner and Holmes had both feet down on the TD. On the fumble the announcers said something about a quick booth review, but that doesn't seem possible given the short time involved. Still since it was the Super Bowl for God's sake they should have taken the time to properly review it and make sure it was a fumble.

It's too bad they went with that second pass in the middle of the field to Hightower instead of a sidelines play. Clock would have stopped and they could catch their breath. But man it would have been a lot of fun to see if Fitzgerald could try to bring down a hail mary or two. It might have been the best catch in Super Bowl history if he did. Ah alas....

mtolson · 02-01-2009, 09:40 PM

Here are some screen captures. At his release point his hand was forced into a position where it was on top of the ball. His thumb and fingers maintained there position around the ball when it started coming forward.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-01-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I don't think it is conclusive enough to make the overturn.

Of course if the ref doesn't blow something that obvious in the first place then no overturn would have been needed.

And honest to God, if anybody impartial can watch that and not consider it 100% clear that it was an incomplete pass then either my eyes are completely gone & I'm hallucinating to replace the missing visual stimulus or world truly has gone completely mad.

Galaxy · 02-01-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

Here are some screen captures. At his release point his hand was forced into a position where it was on top of the ball. His thumb and fingers maintained there position around the ball when it started coming forward.

It doesn't matter. It's not conclusive.

Buccaneer · 02-01-2009, 09:42 PM

Alas.

Swaggs · 02-01-2009, 09:45 PM

Woot!

Although now I have to watch local crap coverage of the Yinzers celebrating, rather than an all new Office.

mtolson · 02-01-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

It doesn't matter. It's not conclusive.

WHAT ? No way in hell could he have had the ball hit while it was in his hand going back and his arm come forward WITH HIS HAND GRASPING THE BALL and it not be a forward pass !!!!! It was just a conclusive of Holmes right toe tipping the ground.

Senator · 02-01-2009, 09:46 PM

I have not read any of this thread but I am willing to bet 2/3 of it deals with the horrible reffing. Just a guess.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-01-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Woot!

Although now I have to watch local crap coverage of the Yinzers celebrating, rather than an all new Office.

How do you not get the Office in North Carolina? The first few minutes have been hilarious. Had me laughing out loud more than any other episode so far.

sabotai · 02-01-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

The ball was still in his hand when it started forward. CLEARLY an incomplete pass.

Doesn't matter if the ball was in his hand, he has to have control of it. If it's just sitting on his hand as he pushes it forward, that's not a pass, it's a fumble.

Buccaneer · 02-01-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator

I have not read any of this thread but I am willing to bet 2/3 of it deals with the horrible reffing. Just a guess.

I wish. 2/3 of it dealt with all the crappy commercials that the alledged football fans HAD to keep commenting on.

sterlingice · 02-01-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

How do you not get the Office in North Carolina? The first few minutes have been hilarious. Had me laughing out loud more than any other episode so far.

Hell, I'm not a fan of the office and that intro was pretty funny. Then it started and I got bored.

SI

sabotai · 02-01-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

Here are some screen captures. At his release point his hand was forced into a position where it was on top of the ball. His thumb and fingers maintained there position around the ball when it started coming forward.

You can not possible tell if his fingers maintained position when his fingers aren't even visible in the second screenshot.

And it looks to me like he doesn't have control of the ball in the second and third images.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-01-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

How do you not get the Office in North Carolina? The first few minutes have been hilarious. Had me laughing out loud more than any other episode so far.

Seriously? If you're talking about the setting fire to the office bit I though that might have been one of the ten stupidest things I've ever seen on television and considering I grew up with Bill Tush doing live comedy on WTBS that's saying something.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-01-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I wish. 2/3 of it dealt with all the crappy commercials that the alledged football fans HAD to keep commenting on.

Hey, it's a Super Bowl thread and as usual the commercials were the most entertaining & engaging part of the telecast.

Swaggs · 02-01-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

How do you not get the Office in North Carolina? The first few minutes have been hilarious. Had me laughing out loud more than any other episode so far.

I moved back to Morgantown, WV a few months ago and we get all Pittsburgh news (about 70 miles South of Pittsburgh).

I forgot about updating my location.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-01-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Seriously? If you're talking about the setting fire to the office bit I though that might have been one of the ten stupidest things I've ever seen on television and considering I grew up with Bill Tush doing live comedy on WTBS that's saying something.

Yes, the entire reaction was funny. Finding out Angela sneaks her cat into work and has it in a filing cabinet, the firecrackers hissing, Oscar climbing into the vent, etc. It was funny. This episode has had multiple great lines already too. But, I'll move that to the Office thread.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-01-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Yes, the entire reaction was funny. Finding out Angela sneaks her cat into work and has it in a filing cabinet, the firecrackers hissing, Oscar climbing into the vent, etc. It was funny. This episode has had multiple great lines already too. But, I'll move that to the Office thread.

I'm a reasonably bright guy, I laugh at things from Dick Van Dyke pratfalls to Stephen Wright monologues to classic Britcoms but I belong firmly in the "rarely sees anything remotely funny about The Office" camp.

Didn't think much of Seinfeld 90% of the time either, maybe there's some connection there, I don't know. {shrug}

Logan · 02-01-2009, 10:07 PM

Jon, I thought the same on the Holmes catch, but there was a shot they showed from straight on that showed his left toe hitting the ground.

Swaggs · 02-01-2009, 10:10 PM

My wife had it set to Tivo, from the WV NBC affiliate, in the bedroom, so I'll get to watch it tomorrow.

Also, just had to painfully witness a Big Ben commercial for a local car dealership.

Suburban Rhythm · 02-01-2009, 10:10 PM

Lamar Woodley, with 2 sacks, has 4 straight postseason games with multiple sacks-- last season vs JAX, this year vs SD, BAL and ARI.

edit to add-- all the bitching about the officiating, I've not read the whole thread, but I hope there are complaints about Woodley getting held. He could have had 5 sacks. Even when they were only rushing 3, he was close, and Levi Brown is wrapping him up.

Swaggs · 02-01-2009, 10:10 PM

And, as if his his life was not going well enough, Tomlin also has a beautiful wife.

ISiddiqui · 02-01-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Yes, the entire reaction was funny. Finding out Angela sneaks her cat into work and has it in a filing cabinet, the firecrackers hissing, Oscar climbing into the vent, etc. It was funny. This episode has had multiple great lines already too. But, I'll move that to the Office thread.

QFT (as well as the hilarity of Dwight sitting in front of Wallace). But it is for The Office thread.

Swaggs · 02-01-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Jon, I thought the same on the Holmes catch, but there was a shot they showed from straight on that showed his left toe hitting the ground.

When the play actually happened, I did not think Holmes was anywhere near landing in-bounds either. But, after seeing the reviews, I think he was pretty clearly in possession with both feet down.

I can understand being upset about the fumble at the end of the game. I thought it was a pass attempt at full speed and was leaning towards thinking it was a fumble after the quick replay, but would have understood them calling it a pass.

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Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Yup, true, it wasn't clear enough to overturn. In the end, AZ losing is down to some awful defensive play on the drive before, when they had the Steelers against the wall. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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