Tim Tebow .. - Page 10

Pumpy Tudors · 12-02-2011, 04:57 PM

BOW!!!!!!!!

Damn, I got ganked.

JediKooter · 12-02-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by B & B

A little pain and ink is a small price to pay for JIMG to be a superfan.

That dudes neck has sideburns...neckburns.

JediKooter · 12-02-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

BOW!!!!!!!!

Damn, I got ganked.

F YEAH!!!

RomaGoth · 12-02-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I love that the over-exposure of Tim Tebow caused you to revive this thread, leading to even more discussion of Tebow. Well done.

Fuck yeah!

Look how much more witty dialogue this one simple post of mine generated!!

Izulde · 12-02-2011, 06:38 PM

This thread half-makes me want to write a parody of Britney Spears' "Lucky" about Tebow.

But I never finish I start, so I won't.

JediKooter · 12-02-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

This thread half-makes me want to write a parody of Britney Spears' "Lucky" about Tebow.

But I never finish I start, so I won't.

You should stop using periods in your sentences and just use ellipses.

Grover · 12-02-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by B & B

A little pain and ink is a small price to pay for JIMG to be a superfan.

And I thought my buddy naming his new puppy Tebow was bad.

albionmoonlight · 12-02-2011, 07:05 PM

the506.com - 2011 week 13

Look at the coverage for Denver-Minnesota v. Atlanta-Houston.

Love him or hate him, people want to see him.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-02-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

This thread half-makes me want to write a parody of Britney Spears' "Lucky" about Tebow.

But I never finish I start, so I won't.

You're no longer allowed to post unless the post is exactly three words long.

Izulde · 12-02-2011, 07:16 PM

Okay Pumpy Tudors.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-02-2011, 07:17 PM

Suicane75 · 12-02-2011, 07:41 PM

Izulde, who are your top 5 supermodels?

k0ruptr · 12-02-2011, 07:58 PM

Tebow, Tebow;Tebow 'Tebow & Tom Brady.

err. I mean. Damn...

TroyF · 12-02-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

As a Broncos fan who was a bit apprehensive when Orton got benched for Tebow this year, I'm all aboard the Tebow bandwagon now. I'm done trying to analyze his throws. I'm done wondering if the offense can work in the NFL. I'm done worrying if this team can compete with most other teams in the league. The Broncos are winning football games, and it's obviously not in spite of Tim Tebow. He's not winning games on his own, but he's contributing. Also, guess what? Maybe I'm just falling for it, but I think he's right when he says that the team believes now. The team sees him as a true leader, and I feel like they're doing more to win for him. I don't think they gave up with Orton at quarterback, but it's like they've found some kind of collective spark now. Whatever it is, I believe in it, too.

It's easy for me to cheer for the guy since he's on my favorite team, I guess, but I was a bit skittish about it before. No longer. I'm all in now.

This, this and more this. Even if you want to say he sucks at all other times, he's not turning the ball over and when it counts in the fourth quarter and the other team needs to stop him, they can't. I've never seen a guy get more crap for not throwing INT's, coming up big in the fourth quarter and winning games. The people who want to pretend he has nothing to do with it? You are wrong. The people who think he is the only reason? You are wrong.

Al of that said, this is the most fun I've had with a Broncos team since 2005.

Fidatelo · 12-02-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

All of that said, this is the most fun I've had with a Broncos team since 2005.

As another Broncos fan, this is exactly how I feel. Tebow = fun. That's it. I don't know how he has been winning, or if he'll keep winning, or if he'll be around in 3 years or sitting on some other guys couch. All I know is, he has stirred shit up and played in some pretty memorable and incredible games over the last 6 weeks. I love it.

gkb · 12-03-2011, 12:36 AM

I'm a Broncos fan as well, but I'm not all in on Tebow yet. Orton started 6-0 and that didn't end up so well...of course he was black. (I'm looking at you Pumpy - Colin = NOT HOT). I'm still in a wait-and-see mode with Tim.

I don't know how much fun most of the game is ... I mean, last week they had 13 possessions for the game and punted on 8 of them. They scored one touchdown. Most of that was painful to watch, but I do agree that winning, especially in the division is great.

I'd still trade Tebow for Andy Dalton or Cam Newton.

And I've heard a couple of talk shows mention that Tebow should be the Rookie of the Year...umm, yeah.

RainMaker · 12-03-2011, 12:38 AM

Football is one of those great sports where you don't have to worry about the future constantly. I'd just ride out this Tebow fun and enjoy it for all it's worth.

Blackadar · 12-04-2011, 07:34 PM

From what I saw (highlights only), the kid looked good today. He looked accurate and got the ball down the field. My hat is off to him.

Senator · 12-04-2011, 07:43 PM

This thread and the Maximum Football thread, I will long read for greatest entertainment.

Mustang · 12-06-2011, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gkb

And I've heard a couple of talk shows mention that Tebow should be the Rookie of the Year...umm, yeah.

That's ok. I've seen a few sports people say he should be MVP.

Mota · 12-07-2011, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

That's ok. I've seen a few sports people say he should be MVP.

But when you look at it, shouldn't he be? I believe Denver was 1-4 before he started, and then as soon as he got the spot they've been winning winning winning. He's pulling Q4 heroics nearly every game. And he's no surprise to opponent defenses. They key on him every game yet he's still being successful.

Statistics-wise, no. But in terms of his impact to the team and making a difference, it seems to make sense to me.

Senator · 12-07-2011, 05:49 AM

Discount Double Check is having one of the greatest seasons ever. As much as I love Tebow.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 12-07-2011, 06:10 AM

you could make the same point about any qb on a playoff team though.

Ksyrup · 12-07-2011, 06:37 AM

Naming Tim Tebow MVP and annointing him as the principle reason the Broncos have started winning is as absurd as Jayson Stark arguing for Shannon Stewart for MVP when he was traded from the Blue Jays to Twins, when the Twins ERA dropped 1.5 runs in final half of the season.

Matthean · 12-07-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

you could make the same point about any qb on a playoff team though.

The Packers have the 31st ranked passing defense in terms of yards. If Rodgers isn't on, they lose. Tebow can suck for all of 5 minutes and the Broncos can still win.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/73...ot-good-either

Archie Manning saying Peyton and Luck won't work.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 12-07-2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

The Packers have the 31st ranked passing defense in terms of yards. If Rodgers isn't on, they lose. Tebow can suck for all of 5 minutes and the Broncos can still win.

Archie Manning says Peyton Manning-Andrew Luck duo on Indianapolis Colts not good for either - ESPN

Archie Manning saying Peyton and Luck won't work.

right. i was responding to mota not senator. look at chicago.

Danny · 12-07-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Senator

Discount Double Check is having one of the greatest seasons ever. As much as I love Tebow.

At this point, I'd argue he is having the clear cut greatest overall season ever for a QB.

RomaGoth · 12-07-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mota

But when you look at it, shouldn't he be? I believe Denver was 1-4 before he started, and then as soon as he got the spot they've been winning winning winning. He's pulling Q4 heroics nearly every game. And he's no surprise to opponent defenses. They key on him every game yet he's still being successful.

Statistics-wise, no. But in terms of his impact to the team and making a difference, it seems to make sense to me.

You can't be serious.

RomaGoth · 12-07-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

So...how long until Tebow steak is a staple on Denver area menus?

That would suck for all of the people who love the Elway burger.

Blackadar · 12-07-2011, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

At this point, I'd argue he is having the clear cut greatest overall season ever for a QB.

He's certainly on pace for it.

The clear leader in the clubhouse for that award is Tom Brady's phenominal 2007 season. 398/578 for 4,806 with 50tds and 8ints for a 117.2 rating. Rodgers is currently 288/408, 3,844, 37td, 5int and a 125.3 rating. That puts him on pace for 384/544, 5,125, 49tds, 7ints...numbers all better than Brady.

If he actually pulls this off, he'll do it the hard way. The last 4 opponents are all in the top 12 in defensive QB rating and 3 games will be played at the frozen tundra of GB (and the other outside in KC), whereas he's only played two defenses in the top half of the league in defensive QB rating all season (Detroit, Chicago). I'm not saying he won't do it, but if he "slumps" the last 4 weeks of the season, it's probably because he's going against tougher pass defenses in cold/bad weather.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-07-2011, 02:09 PM

I don't know if I buy everything this article is selling, but I'll acknowledge what seems to be a legitimate attempt to understand the polarizing effect of Tebow.

Chuck Klosterman on Tim Tebow - Grantland

Matthean · 12-07-2011, 04:19 PM

Mota · 12-07-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

The Packers have the 31st ranked passing defense in terms of yards. If Rodgers isn't on, they lose. Tebow can suck for all of 5 minutes and the Broncos can still win.

Yeah but that's a twisted statistic. The Packers are winning all their games, so their opponents are usually playing from behind. Lots of passing and a lot less runs in that type of game.

In terms of opponent QB Rating, they're 10th best. They've let 22 TD's by but intercepted 23 passes. That's actually pretty darn good.

Mota · 12-07-2011, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

You can't be serious.

If I had one vote it wouldn't be for Tebow, if that's what you're asking. But there's a story being told here. He's on a winning team which is important. And he's proven how much of a difference he makes to the team, look at the W/L before and after he started playing this season. That's a lot of important things for an MVP vote.

I think that the statistics aren't there so they wouldn't give it to him and there's other QB's putting together MONSTER seasons. But it's sure a lot of fun to see this Tebow story build and build as he keeps defying the odds and winning.

TroyF · 12-08-2011, 12:14 AM

OK, Aaron Rogers is MVP by a LONG SHOT. This isn't even a debate.

That said, he IS the reason the Broncos are winning. Yes, the defense is better. But this team was dead in the water when he started at QB.

There are 3 reasons he's been the difference:

1) Simple, really, he's not turning the ball over. It might seem simple, but NFL QB's, especially young ones, seem to do it at a high rate. (see Ponder, Christian in the last Broncos game)

2) The running game is better because he's in there. This is another one of those no debate things. The Broncos are averaging over a yard per carry higher with him as the QB than they were with Orton. There have been zero changes to the offensive line. In short yardage situations, the Broncos were 30% with Orton and are 67% with Tebow. That means no more first and goal from the 1 turning into 1st and 10 for the other team. (see the Titans game)

3) This is the biggest one by far: His fourth quarter performance. We aren't talking just good here guys. We are talking sensational. The defense may keep the game close (outside of last Sunday), but Tebow freakin closes the game out. Look at the numbers:

57% completion
569 passing yards
9.48 yards per attempt
5 TD
1 INT
109.7 QB rating
192 rushing yards
2 rushing TD's

If you take away the one loss that included the INT, his rating is over 115 in the wins.

I know this is a small sample size and I know this may not continue long term, but to pretend that type of 4th quarter performance isn't a reason for the victories? Please. If Orton were in there turning it over and playing poor fourth quarters (rating of 70.1 with a worse completion percentage than Tebow, worse yards per attempt, more turnovers in fewer games and zero rushing yards) there is no way the Bronocs would have won those 6 contests.

I said it earlier in the thread: If you think he's been the only reason the Broncos are winning, I think you are wrong. There are absolutely other reasons. (defense and punting game being the biggest). But he's making a clear difference in how this team is playing. When your QB puts up a rating of 115 in the fourth quarter of close games, it's not real shocking that you WIN those close games. The running game and lack of turnovers allow the defense to defend a long field which helps the point totals drastically. (look at the statistics which show how hard it is to drive for a 80+ yard TD drive in this league)

He's not only a part of their wins, he's a huge part. I still don't know if he can keep it up. This week will be another big test for him (especially in the turnover area) But nothing he does in the future changes his performance in these first 7 games.

jbergey22 · 12-08-2011, 12:54 AM

Honestly, I have no idea why the Vikings were leaving Thomas open between the corner and the safety in the 3rd quarter on Sunday but Tebow did well in getting him the ball. People have said that it was against their 4/5th string corners but they were some well thrown balls.

He certainly looks more comfortable in the 4th quarter of games. Its just completely strange on how he puts a 4th quarter cape on and sometimes for the entire 2nd half.

He is just a big tease. He shows glimpses of how terrible he can be followed by leading his team back from it on a weekly basis. I think the Hulkamania/Tebowmania is a perfect comparison.

Him and Romo on the same team would be a deadly combo.

k0ruptr · 12-08-2011, 02:23 AM

2011 - year of the Tebow.

Mota · 12-08-2011, 04:20 AM

TroyF captured exactly how I feel about it, only he said it 1,000,000 times better than I did.

dave731 · 12-08-2011, 05:10 AM

That stiff arm he made to throw for the TD in that last game was just sick...I have seen improvement which is all one could ask for from a 2 year QB who is getting his first real playing time. The fact they are winning the games is icing on the cake really. I also like the fact that this has to be driving Elway crazy...

Ksyrup · 12-08-2011, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

If you take away the one loss that included the INT, his rating is over 115 in the wins.

You probably should take it out, since 4th quarter production in a 45-10 game isn't all that useful to look at.

Ksyrup · 12-08-2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Honestly, I have no idea why the Vikings were leaving Thomas open between the corner and the safety in the 3rd quarter on Sunday but Tebow did well in getting him the ball. People have said that it was against their 4/5th string corners but they were some well thrown balls.

One of the guys from Shutdown Corner was tweeting about this during the game and recently during film review.

SC_DougFarrar SC_DougFarrar
Not really sure what Minnesota's pass defense was doing against Denver; seemed like corners were playing zone and safeties were playing man.

whomario · 12-09-2011, 03:56 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/blo...?urn=oly-wp932

RainMaker · 12-09-2011, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Honestly, I have no idea why the Vikings were leaving Thomas open between the corner and the safety in the 3rd quarter on Sunday but Tebow did well in getting him the ball. People have said that it was against their 4/5th string corners but they were some well thrown balls.

They ran cover 2 and he just threw it in one of the spots that is tough to defend in that defense. It's not as easy of a throw as it looks.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-09-2011, 11:07 AM

wow tim tebow lookin hot as hell in that ski gear

jbergey22 · 12-09-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

They ran cover 2 and he just threw it in one of the spots that is tough to defend in that defense. It's not as easy of a throw as it looks.

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

One of the guys from Shutdown Corner was tweeting about this during the game and recently during film review.

SC_DougFarrar SC_DougFarrar
Not really sure what Minnesota's pass defense was doing against Denver; seemed like corners were playing zone and safeties were playing man.

It looked more like what Shutdown Corner thought to me. The safetys were completely out of position for a 2 deep zone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KxONy8_XQA

I nice little video of Tebow and from another perspective of how not to play your secondary in the NFL.
But yes the throws were nice but there really wasnt a tight window to fit it in since the safetys were completely out of the coverage for the most part.

Ksyrup · 12-09-2011, 01:48 PM

Ha!

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As the Bears try to stop Tim Tebow from his sixth straight victory on Sunday amid a fever pitch of attention on the polarizing Denver Broncos quarterback, Charles Barkley made a plea to Chicago: Stop the madness.

"I want to make a personal plea to Lance Briggs, Brian Urlacher, Mr. [Julius] Peppers, please stop the madness," Barkley said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "I'm just so tired ... I like Tim Tebow. He seems like a good kid, and I wish him success, but I am Tebowed out. So this is my personal plea for you three guys, please stop this madness."

mckerney · 12-09-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

One of the guys from Shutdown Corner was tweeting about this during the game and recently during film review.

SC_DougFarrar SC_DougFarrar
Not really sure what Minnesota's pass defense was doing against Denver; seemed like corners were playing zone and safeties were playing man.

I think it was partially scheme, but a whole lot of having terrible CBs and the worst safeties in the NFL.

bulletsponge · 12-09-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

I think it was partially scheme, but a whole lot of having terrible CBs and the worst safeties in the NFL.

and when Rodgers tore them up, he was called great. when tebow beats them, its because they suck

TroyF · 12-09-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Ha!

I read that article and quotes and laughed. Charles, do you REALLY think that if Tebow gets shut down and loses the Bears game the Tebow train stops? If anything, it just gets worse.

Look, the louder the detractors are, the more coverage Tebow gets. This is only a story because Hoge and people like him ripped Tebow before the start of the season. If this were TJ Yates, we wouldn't be having some long, drawn out national debate. It'd be "Well, good for the kid, he won a few games, but he's got a long way to be an NFL QB"

So now look at the two scenarios:

1) Tebow looks terrible and gets beat by the Bears (and I think this actually will happen by the way) The detractors come out in full force. The pent up rage they've had for over a month comes out and they say "SEE, WE TOLD YOU IDIOTS HE SUCKED"

Then the Tebow supporters will fire back with "Wow, a team with one of the best run defenses in the game defended the run and then abused a passer who we all admit is a project?, I'm stunned"

This will go back and forth for a really long time.

2) Tebow torches the Bears. 10-16, 200 yards, 2 TD, 0 turnovers, Broncos wins.

Detractors - "It's just the Bears, he still sucks, it was luck"

Supporters - "OK, it's half a year now. Just shut the hell up"

It's over in one.

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12-02-2011, 06:38 PM	#455
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12-02-2011, 07:58 PM	#463
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12-02-2011, 07:05 PM	#458
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	the506.com - 2011 week 13 Look at the coverage for Denver-Minnesota v. Atlanta-Houston. Love him or hate him, people want to see him.

12-02-2011, 07:41 PM	#462
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Izulde, who are your top 5 supermodels?

12-03-2011, 12:36 AM	#466
gkb High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado	I'm a Broncos fan as well, but I'm not all in on Tebow yet. Orton started 6-0 and that didn't end up so well...of course he was black. (I'm looking at you Pumpy - Colin = NOT HOT). I'm still in a wait-and-see mode with Tim. I don't know how much fun most of the game is ... I mean, last week they had 13 possessions for the game and punted on 8 of them. They scored one touchdown. Most of that was painful to watch, but I do agree that winning, especially in the division is great. I'd still trade Tebow for Andy Dalton or Cam Newton. And I've heard a couple of talk shows mention that Tebow should be the Rookie of the Year...umm, yeah. __________________ BALLERZ YO, fo shizzle. - QuikSand

12-03-2011, 12:38 AM	#467
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Football is one of those great sports where you don't have to worry about the future constantly. I'd just ride out this Tebow fun and enjoy it for all it's worth.

12-04-2011, 07:34 PM	#468
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	From what I saw (highlights only), the kid looked good today. He looked accurate and got the ball down the field. My hat is off to him.

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12-07-2011, 05:49 AM	#473
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	Discount Double Check is having one of the greatest seasons ever. As much as I love Tebow. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

12-07-2011, 06:10 AM	#474
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	you could make the same point about any qb on a playoff team though.

12-07-2011, 06:37 AM	#475
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Naming Tim Tebow MVP and annointing him as the principle reason the Broncos have started winning is as absurd as Jayson Stark arguing for Shannon Stewart for MVP when he was traded from the Blue Jays to Twins, when the Twins ERA dropped 1.5 runs in final half of the season. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-07-2011, 02:09 PM	#482
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I don't know if I buy everything this article is selling, but I'll acknowledge what seems to be a legitimate attempt to understand the polarizing effect of Tebow. Chuck Klosterman on Tim Tebow - Grantland __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

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12-08-2011, 12:14 AM	#486
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	OK, Aaron Rogers is MVP by a LONG SHOT. This isn't even a debate. That said, he IS the reason the Broncos are winning. Yes, the defense is better. But this team was dead in the water when he started at QB. There are 3 reasons he's been the difference: 1) Simple, really, he's not turning the ball over. It might seem simple, but NFL QB's, especially young ones, seem to do it at a high rate. (see Ponder, Christian in the last Broncos game) 2) The running game is better because he's in there. This is another one of those no debate things. The Broncos are averaging over a yard per carry higher with him as the QB than they were with Orton. There have been zero changes to the offensive line. In short yardage situations, the Broncos were 30% with Orton and are 67% with Tebow. That means no more first and goal from the 1 turning into 1st and 10 for the other team. (see the Titans game) 3) This is the biggest one by far: His fourth quarter performance. We aren't talking just good here guys. We are talking sensational. The defense may keep the game close (outside of last Sunday), but Tebow freakin closes the game out. Look at the numbers: 57% completion 569 passing yards 9.48 yards per attempt 5 TD 1 INT 109.7 QB rating 192 rushing yards 2 rushing TD's If you take away the one loss that included the INT, his rating is over 115 in the wins. I know this is a small sample size and I know this may not continue long term, but to pretend that type of 4th quarter performance isn't a reason for the victories? Please. If Orton were in there turning it over and playing poor fourth quarters (rating of 70.1 with a worse completion percentage than Tebow, worse yards per attempt, more turnovers in fewer games and zero rushing yards) there is no way the Bronocs would have won those 6 contests. I said it earlier in the thread: If you think he's been the only reason the Broncos are winning, I think you are wrong. There are absolutely other reasons. (defense and punting game being the biggest). But he's making a clear difference in how this team is playing. When your QB puts up a rating of 115 in the fourth quarter of close games, it's not real shocking that you WIN those close games. The running game and lack of turnovers allow the defense to defend a long field which helps the point totals drastically. (look at the statistics which show how hard it is to drive for a 80+ yard TD drive in this league) He's not only a part of their wins, he's a huge part. I still don't know if he can keep it up. This week will be another big test for him (especially in the turnover area) But nothing he does in the future changes his performance in these first 7 games.

12-08-2011, 12:54 AM	#487
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Honestly, I have no idea why the Vikings were leaving Thomas open between the corner and the safety in the 3rd quarter on Sunday but Tebow did well in getting him the ball. People have said that it was against their 4/5th string corners but they were some well thrown balls. He certainly looks more comfortable in the 4th quarter of games. Its just completely strange on how he puts a 4th quarter cape on and sometimes for the entire 2nd half. He is just a big tease. He shows glimpses of how terrible he can be followed by leading his team back from it on a weekly basis. I think the Hulkamania/Tebowmania is a perfect comparison. Him and Romo on the same team would be a deadly combo. Last edited by jbergey22 : 12-08-2011 at 01:08 AM.

12-08-2011, 02:23 AM	#488
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	2011 - year of the Tebow. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

12-08-2011, 04:20 AM	#489
Mota College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001	TroyF captured exactly how I feel about it, only he said it 1,000,000 times better than I did.

12-08-2011, 05:10 AM	#490
dave731 High School JV Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ninety Six	That stiff arm he made to throw for the TD in that last game was just sick...I have seen improvement which is all one could ask for from a 2 year QB who is getting his first real playing time. The fact they are winning the games is icing on the cake really. I also like the fact that this has to be driving Elway crazy...

12-09-2011, 03:56 AM	#493
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/blo...?urn=oly-wp932

12-09-2011, 11:07 AM	#495
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	wow tim tebow lookin hot as hell in that ski gear __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

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