POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[cuervo72]

Oh yeah, and re: McD's. I mean, I had a job at BK in HS. How would I prove that? I don't put it on my resume. I doubt BK has records from 1990. I certainly don't have pay checks from then, or tax records. (Even worse would be my brief stint at Hechinger's. They no longer even exist!)

[Ksyrup]

Going through my parents' belongings when they moved from TX to NC last year, I actually found a pay advice from my HS job at Big Star (a grocery store in GA at the time). But yeah, most people don't keep that kind of stuff.

I did disclose it on my bar application, but was never asked to substantiate my employment, thankfully - although I spent the better part of 3 years trying to prove a negative that I did not receive a speeding ticket when I got pulled over at some point in college (I regretted taking the bar and law school's advice to "over-disclose in an abundance of caution").

[cartman]

I currently have unclaimed funds sitting in CA that I can't claim. The address on it was one where I spent 3 weeks living with a former co-worker that let me stay in a spare room while I was apartment hunting. I never would have setup any utilities in my name there, and only received one, maybe two paychecks at that address. It is only $50, but I am not able to provide any proof that I am the proper claimant.

[GrantDawg]

Big Star! We had one in walking distance as well as a Food Giant growing up. The Big Star always had the best giveaways. They would have these big bingo boards to win prizes, along with Green Stamps that my grandma collected. I believe it was Big Star that also had a horse racing game, where you would get a ticket with a horse and they would show the race on TV to see if you won. Then Food Giant had a football game with point spreads for prizes. The gambling push they put out when I was 10...

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[Ksyrup]

I had so much fun with my best friend working at Big Star in HS. I have very fond memories of getting the stale baguettes from the bakery, going into the produce cooler, and working on our baseball skills with spoiled lemons and oranges.

I'm sure it's been a couple things since I left, but it's now a Fresh Market.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Anecdotal, but in driving out to IN again last weekend we oddly didn't see many signs at all. Yeah, there was the occasional sarcastic "Thanks Joe" or Trump billboard, but those are there all the time. Lawns there weren't many (if anything, where we were there were a few random Harris/Walz signs and not a lot else; some guy named Ben Carson -- not that one -- too, I guess).

I live in a very red area and there are a lot of Trump signs, but I am seeing more Harris signs than Biden (didn't live here during Hillary)

What is interesting is there is a house I pass leaving my neighborhood that has had a Trump flag on their fence for a couple years. I noticed about a week ago it's gone. I assume it was probably stolen or blew away since I don't think anyone goes from flying the flag to not supporting him.

[Lathum]

Trump spending a lot of time in North Carolina has to be a good sign for Harris.

[Kodos]

I voted early today. Good to have that taken care of, just in case I get hit by a bus or something.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I voted early today. Good to have that taken care of, just in case I get hit by a bus or something.

VOTER FRAUD!

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I live in a very red area and there are a lot of Trump signs, but I am seeing more Harris signs than Biden (didn't live here during Hillary)

What is interesting is there is a house I pass leaving my neighborhood that has had a Trump flag on their fence for a couple years. I noticed about a week ago it's gone. I assume it was probably stolen or blew away since I don't think anyone goes from flying the flag to not supporting him.

The house at the main exit out of our neighborhood used to fly a huge Trump 2024 No More Bullshit flag. Like, several years ago, not in the run-up to the election this year. It's been gone for a year or more. He's technically in another subdivision than us so I don't know if their HOA made him take it down because of the profanity, or he just didn't want the hassle of being known as the village idiot. But he's got no signs up which is interesting.

This is the same guy who threatened a young boy whose dog peed on his lawn. Not pooped, peed. So yeah, he fits perfectly in the Trump demographic.

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I voted early today. Good to have that taken care of, just in case I get hit by a bus or something.

Did you vote for Kang?

[Kodos]

Don't blame me; I voted for KODOS!

[JPhillips]

If you just look at the high-quality polls it's been Harris +3 nationally basically the entire time.

Nothing matters.

[Kodos]

Either way, your planet is doomed!

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

VOTER FRAUD!

Real voter fraud is in the nursing homes. We used to only have them vote if their BIMs said they were no more than mildly cognitively impaired. Now we have people coming in and helping residents with a BIMs of 0 vote.

To score a zero you have to not be able to repeat back 3 words said to you immediately after, not know what year, month, or day of the week it is or even be close, and you then aren’t able to recall the three words from the start even after being given cues. I bitched about this in 2022 though too.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Real voter fraud is in the nursing homes. We used to only have them vote if their BIMs said they were no more than mildly cognitively impaired. Now we have people coming in and helping residents with a BIMs of 0 vote.

To score a zero you have to not be able to repeat back 3 words said to you immediately after, not know what year, month, or day of the week it is or even be close, and you then aren’t able to recall the three words from the start even after being given cues. I bitched about this in 2022 though too.

Ut, oh.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I didn't remember this from 4 years ago, but they placed my DL in a device that was scanned (or something). I think 4 years ago it was manual look and verify.

I'm not sure about 4 years ago, but they definitely did that two years ago.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Real voter fraud is in the nursing homes. We used to only have them vote if their BIMs said they were no more than mildly cognitively impaired. Now we have people coming in and helping residents with a BIMs of 0 vote.

To score a zero you have to not be able to repeat back 3 words said to you immediately after, not know what year, month, or day of the week it is or even be close, and you then aren’t able to recall the three words from the start even after being given cues. I bitched about this in 2022 though too.

What people are coming in? And I don't mean "the party I like" or "the party I don't like" I mean are these family members or at least people who know them?

[Ksyrup]

So it's 50/50 as to whether Trump can vote for himself?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What people are coming in? And I don't mean "the party I like" or "the party I don't like" I mean are these family members or at least people who know them?

No it’s usually volunteers. I’m pretty sure they call it the travel board that comes in and helps everyone vote at once.

In practical terms everyone just has one helper at a time in order to save time rather than the two you are supposed to have.

I mean it’s great for some of these people. We have some awesome people living in these homes that deserve a voice, but we also have people with profound dementia that really shouldn’t be sitting with someone and casting a ballot.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'll refer you to Biden's Immigration Reform - Page 7 - Front Office Football Central and post #307 and down. I think #317 and #325 will answer your question from my POV.

Legislatively, I want a grand bargain on immigration reform (see same thread #82). Dems want pathway to citizenship, GOP do not. This seems to be the main sticking point. So, my happy compromise is grant legal status to illegals through renewable guest worker programs.

Question to you: Do you support citizenship for the approx 11M+ illegals? And if so, why?

Sorry I didn't get to answer this for a while, life got busy!

I wanted to read the posts you referenced more clearly, since I couldn't quite figure out what in there points to the problem you have with a path to citizenship. You say you're in favor of legal immigration, great. I suspect we have differing ideas of what that looks like, but probably not relevant immediately.

The only thing I see which points to you having a problem with a path to citizenship is from your post #317:

I do not want illegal immigrants impacting elections. And before anyone calls this racist, keep in mind that I am a proponent of increased legal immigration. I've said somewhere that legal immigration is how we solve our birthrate issue and also increase/maintain our competitive advantage (e.g. obvious when we look at Silicon Valley). So as some here may accuse me of "not wanting the brown people south of the border", I'm actually saying "open it up to all the brown, black, yellow people from all over the world, based on a merit/skills system, and reduce illegal & family based immigration".

Okay, now that I've kept that in mind, I'll call that racist. But seriously, it sounds like you advocate for a policy of "open it up" -- given that you have that philosophy, why does it even matter who's legal and who's illegal? And if you're saying "open it up, but none of them get citizenship" how is that not racist to say "you can live in MY country, but not actually be a part of it?" Before you get all defensive, keep in mind that your family probably came here from somewhere.

And yes, I support citizenship for whoever wants it.

[flere-imsaho]

I've begun the process of resigning myself to a second Trump presidency.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Real voter fraud is in the nursing homes. We used to only have them vote if their BIMs said they were no more than mildly cognitively impaired. Now we have people coming in and helping residents with a BIMs of 0 vote.

To score a zero you have to not be able to repeat back 3 words said to you immediately after, not know what year, month, or day of the week it is or even be close, and you then aren’t able to recall the three words from the start even after being given cues. I bitched about this in 2022 though too.

I'm not trying to be difficult, but is that actually fraud? If people are telling who to vote for, that's an obvious thing. But in terms of people not being mentally capable of voting intelligently or what-have-you, I don't think that's fraud unless there's something I don't understand.

[GrantDawg]

Legally? Probably not. Though I'm not completely sure. Seniors can legally vote, even with dementia. There is no competency requirement. The question is, can someone really help someone vote when that person couldn't possibly know who they are voting for? Is that help or is someone helping themselves to a free extra vote?

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[JPhillips]

There was a time when this would have been a huge thing.

Trump’s own chief of staff, retired general John Kelly, agrees that Trump is a fascist. pic.twitter.com/8IfycmNhmw

— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) October 23, 2024

[stevew]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Real voter fraud is in the nursing homes. We used to only have them vote if their BIMs said they were no more than mildly cognitively impaired. Now we have people coming in and helping residents with a BIMs of 0 vote.

To score a zero you have to not be able to repeat back 3 words said to you immediately after, not know what year, month, or day of the week it is or even be close, and you then aren’t able to recall the three words from the start even after being given cues. I bitched about this in 2022 though too.

Yup.

[stevew]

Gotta wonder how many people are waiting to pull the plug until after the election. It’s certainly not zero.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by stevew

Gotta wonder how many people are waiting to pull the plug until after the election. It’s certainly not zero.

pull what plug? you're scaring me

[stevew]

Senior voter fraud.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I'm not trying to be difficult, but is that actually fraud? If people are telling who to vote for, that's an obvious thing. But in terms of people not being mentally capable of voting intelligently or what-have-you, I don't think that's fraud unless there's something I don't understand.

Depends on your definition I guess. But I honestly don’t know how someone that isn’t capable of filling out a food menu with the help of a nurses aide is capable of filling out a ballot with the help of a volunteer.

[cuervo72]

“Red Wave” Redux: Are GOP Polls Rigging the Averages in Trump’s Favor?

[Ksyrup]

I don't know if anything is "moving the needle" this late in the game, but I found this interesting from the Bulwark:

The Democratic polling and messaging firm Blueprint recently tested the effectiveness of several closing messages for the Harris campaign. (This was before Kelly’s new remarks.) Here’s one message the group put before voters:

Donald Trump doesn’t have the character it takes to be president. He’s erratic and can’t control himself. He denied the results of an election just because he lost and is a threat to the fundamental American principle of democracy. He instigated a riot at the Capitol that left three police officers dead.

This general (and true) statement barely moved the needle on voters’ preferences. It presumably simply sounds like a reiteration of things voters have heard before.

What did move the needle was this message:

Nearly half of Donald Trump’s Cabinet have refused to endorse him. When Trump learned during the Capitol riot that his supporters were threatening to kill his own vice president, he said ‘so what?’ and refused to do anything to assure the vice president was safe. Republican governors, senators, and House members have all said the same thing: We can’t give Trump another four years as president.”

As soon as the message turned from an abstract argument against Trump into an unambiguous case that Trump’s own former allies were making against him, it became the single most persuasive line tested by Blueprint. It was stronger even than abortion rights and Social Security. In other words, hearing about Trump’s unfitness from people who worked with him, and from Republicans one would expect to defend him, seems to make a difference.

I think the takeaway here is pretty obvious: Voters have become inured to many shocking things about Trump, but maybe the one thing that can shake them out of that torpor is people who knew or worked with Trump stepping up to make the case from their own experience.

The messenger matters as much as the message.

[Ksyrup]

Also, Aileen Cannon is on Trump's shortlist for AG. LOL?

[miami_fan]

This is related to the senior voter fraud conversation. For all of us that are caring for elderly parents especially those with various stages of dementia, this is a terrifying article.

Political fundraisers WinRed and ActBlue are taking millions of dollars in donations from elderly dementia patients to fuel their campaigns

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Also, Aileen Cannon is on Trump's shortlist for AG. LOL?

This encapsulates Trump perfectly and also shows why this time around will be much worse. In 2016 there were adults in the room who would actually tell him something was a bad idea, unconstitutional, etc...This time around those guardrails will be gone.

[bob]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

This is related to the senior voter fraud conversation. For all of us that are caring for elderly parents especially those with various stages of dementia, this is a terrifying article.

Political fundraisers WinRed and ActBlue are taking millions of dollars in donations from elderly dementia patients to fuel their campaigns

We have this issue with my MIL. My FIL has taken her credit cards so she can't make any donations to new organizations, but anyone from the past has her card number on file and talk her into donating and then she's forgotten two minutes after the call ended.

[Ksyrup]

We have this concern - although haven't found that he's done anything specific yet - with my dad post-TBI.

[JPhillips]

My wife's grandfather gave away most of his life's savings to tv preachers. He was a good businessman, but he fed off of Fox and Pat Robertson and kept sending checks to whatever right-wing grift sent him a letter.

[Thomkal]

Congressman Eric Swalwell out with an ad on Trump:"A Place for Trump"


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[GrantDawg]

NYT Headline: "Trump says Hitler did good things and wished he had generals like Hitler's. Why this is bad for the Harris campaign."

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Also, Aileen Cannon is on Trump's shortlist for AG. LOL?

Jedi Mind trick "no corruption to see here" somehow works on close to 50% of the population.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'd say this is also true if Harris beats Trump by much larger margin than Joe beating Trump. Either way, I think the losing party will have a lot of soul searching to do.

This won't happen but the Dems should really go back to letting the Obama people run the party. This election should be a cakewalk for any competent campaign. They were really good on the analytical side and micro-targeting. Plus they had a much better grasp on what regular people wanted. And they knew how to just bury the shit out of mistakes their opponents made (binders full of women).

This Biden/Clinton regime of careerists running the party now are terrible. I've been bombarded with texts and e-mails from Liz Cheney. They had Walz stop doing the thing that made him so likeable. They aren't even attacking Trump for his Elon partnership. And they're scared of alienating Republicans by going too strong on the abortion/IVF stuff (it's insane they don't bring up the banning of IVF as a talking point every 5 minutes).

I don't think anything changes but they really need to bring in people outside the DC bubble who have a handle on what people want to hear. Just grab some of the folks who have run successful gubernatorial campaigns in the Midwest. Priitzker has a brilliant campaign team for instance. Same with Walz and Whitmer.

[Atocep]

We now have Fox News defending Trump by saying that maybe he didn't know Hitler's generals were Nazi's.

We've gone from he's not really a Nazi to maybe he's just stupid so make sure you vote for him.

[Jas_lov]

I thought David Plouffe was essentially running the Harris campaign, or at least has a high position.

The Qunnipiac polls that had Trump up by 4 in MI and 2 in WI two weeks ago now have Harris up by 4 in MI and tied in WI. These polls are just so all over the place.

So is the Nazi thing the October surprise? MAGAs on Twitter seem to think there's a really bad video to come out about Trump

[Passacaglia]

There were some very fine people on both sides of the Holocaust.

[Ksyrup]

October surprise?! Is the Nazi thing a surprise at all?

We've gotten to the point where - possibly - a fraction of 1% of the population might actually care that Trump specifically states that he admires Nazi's, but those same people didn't get that at all from dozens of speeches and comments where he said as much, although maybe not as explicitly?

[GrantDawg]

There is something big coming down the pike. A bunch of big Trump followers are warning of an "AI" about to be released of Trump saying something he didn't. The "N" word tape maybe?

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[GrantDawg]

Ah, Jas posted about it first.

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

There is something big coming down the pike. A bunch of big Trump followers are warning of an "AI" about to be released of Trump saying something he didn't. The "N" word tape maybe?

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Welcome to trump land.

Where AI pics of him wading through floodwaters in Ashville carrying an armful of cats is obviously real and a recording of him saying something vile is AI generated.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

I thought David Plouffe was essentially running the Harris campaign, or at least has a high position.

Nah, they brought Plouffe in as an advisor but O'Malley runs the campaign. It was too late in the game to swap out a bunch of people so most of the Biden campaign team is still in their positions.

There have been stories floating that Plouffe has butted heads with the team. We'll probably find out more after the election when books are written. The recent stuff with her appearing on Stern and other podcasts feels like Plouffe. But he's way too smart for the other stuff they're doing.