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Old 08-18-2011, 08:27 PM   #5201
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Good times: son just asked which Harry Turtledove novel in the bookcase he should try as an introduction. I went with "Guns of the South", figuring a stand alone book was a better start than any of the long series.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:36 PM   #5202
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Good times: son just asked which Harry Turtledove novel in the bookcase he should try as an introduction. I went with "Guns of the South", figuring a stand alone book was a better start than any of the long series.

Thank you for that piece of knowledge. I was looking to read something by him and wasn't sure where to start because I'm looking for a one off and not something too long or involved.

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Old 08-18-2011, 08:53 PM   #5203
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Thank you for that piece of knowledge. I was looking to read something by him and wasn't sure where to start because I'm looking for a one off and not something too long or involved.

Well he doesn't really do short very often, and this is relatively long (400+ pages of nearly mouse type in the paperback edition I've got).

Almost instantly I questioned my own recommendation, wondering if I should have gone with In the Presence of Mine Enemies instead. Germany wins WWII but years later a respected police officer has a deep dark secret. Guns is more Turtledove's style in terms of characters I think but Enemies is an easier introduction to alternate history in general.

For your purposes, I wonder if Departures might be a good fit. It's a collection of alt. history short stories that cover a lot of different eras & are early Turtledove but the style is clearly there.
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:34 PM   #5204
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:41 PM   #5205
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I don't, nor will I ever, get the fascination people have with the beach.

This. I'm totally not a beach person...although now that I'm not a fatass I can at least like...stand it.

Going to be in Santa Monica next weekend and don't even think I'll bring a bathing suit...
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:44 PM   #5206
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I don't, nor will I ever, get the fascination people have with the beach.

Are we talking about swimming beach or "sitting in the sun being seen" beach?

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Old 08-18-2011, 09:54 PM   #5207
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Is she at least hot?

Well, when the rumors supposedly were around..she was a 7. Now? Maybe a 5. Age isn't being kind...
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:09 PM   #5208
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Are we talking about swimming beach or "sitting in the sun being seen" beach?

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Old 08-18-2011, 10:13 PM   #5209
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There is just nothing appealing. Hot sand, salt water, tons of people, its hot as hell, you have to put on greasy sunscreen, there are birds everywhere, stepping on seaweed and shells, etc...

I mean, seriously, where is the enjoyment in all of that?
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:14 PM   #5210
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:42 PM   #5211
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:30 PM   #5212
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This. I'm totally not a beach person...although now that I'm not a fatass I can at least like...stand it.

Going to be in Santa Monica next weekend and don't even think I'll bring a bathing suit...

Eat at Typhoon out at the Santa Monica airport...Asian Fusion...amazing food...one of the best places to eat in the area...
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:48 PM   #5213
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Eat at Typhoon out at the Santa Monica airport...Asian Fusion...amazing food...one of the best places to eat in the area...

Thanks for the recommendation!
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:21 AM   #5214
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:51 AM   #5215
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Old 08-19-2011, 01:46 AM   #5216
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:32 AM   #5217
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Been reading some funny stuff about Groupon.

Don't Mean To Be Alarmist, But Groupon Is Running Low On Cash

Anyways, seems as if they have a JB Magical type approach to their buisiness model.
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:18 AM   #5218
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:10 AM   #5219
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Finally, someone on this board is making some sense. Also, when I read this, I distinctly heard it in the style of 'Rumpshaker'. "boobs nigga boobs and a boom boom (in the drunk thread)!" {sax riff}

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Old 08-19-2011, 08:59 AM   #5220
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Gotta bitch, after banging my head against a brick wall of stupidity at my son's school, the "business development" office of all places. (That qualifies as "random" for the purpose of this thread I believe)

Long story short, worked out something with one of my client's that got a nearly a dozen schools access to a piece of the client's marketing budget (as opposed to the charity/community budget), including my son's.

Instead of the usual tickets + print ads + sponsorship mentions on webcasts, we wanted (from a marketing standpoint) only the webcast spots. That's where there was some bang for the buck, which was the prerequisite for taking this budget away from traditional media. Our school's normal cost for webcast spots $350 higher than the sponsorship package that doesn't include it ($1,350 vs $1,000) My offer was $720 for just the webcast spots ... and these fucking idiots turned it down since they couldn't "deviate from the proscribed packages". There's literally hundreds of spots of unsold inventory that they waste each year (happy to sell it mind you but only as part of a "package" that hasn't been updated in nearly a decade).

Meanwhile, of the 10 (mostly public) schools we contacted offering new money:
2 had no problem, relatively easy transactions frankly
3 failed to return multiple phone calls, messages, over several months
1 had suspended their sponsorship program while reorganizing the boosters
3 had great conversations and repeatedly failed to follow up w/info, forms
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1 was too damned dumb to take free money

In short, about $12k was earmarked & approved, we managed to spend less than $2,500 of it. In all the cases but the one I described, there was nothing new involved, we simply wanted to buy one of their existing packages (or get info about those, all of which have them).

What started out as a nice idea turned into one of the most frustrating professional experiences of my life.
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:06 AM   #5221
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:09 AM   #5222
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I have no idea why, but I love pictures of stock traders that newspapers and websites use when talking about the stock market rising or falling. I am not sure what it is, but they always make me smile.

For me, it's the headless fat people that are used in news broadcasts. Bonus if they're holding a hamburger or ice cream cone.
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:14 AM   #5223
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:19 AM   #5224
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wasn't familiar with the case and read up on it a bit today. holy cow.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:30 AM   #5225
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Well, when the rumors supposedly were around..she was a 7. Now? Maybe a 5. Age isn't being kind...

Oh. Bummer. If she was a 9 or 10, I'd make peoples heads spin by just telling them it's none of their business.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:35 AM   #5226
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I don't, nor will I ever, get the fascination people have with the beach.

I'm with you on this as well. There's zero (other than hot chicks in as skimpy of a bikini as legally possible) that is appealing about the beach. Way too crowded, traffic sucks, the people usually suck, it smells (I hate the smell of salt water), and I'm tired of that sheriff always yelling at people to get out of the water.

Now a lake, different story.
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:45 PM   #5227
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Old 08-19-2011, 01:28 PM   #5228
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Old 08-19-2011, 01:28 PM   #5229
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I'm with you on this as well. There's zero (other than hot chicks in as skimpy of a bikini as legally possible) that is appealing about the beach. Way too crowded, traffic sucks, the people usually suck, it smells (I hate the smell of salt water), and I'm tired of that sheriff always yelling at people to get out of the water.

Now a lake, different story.

Lakes freak me the hell out. There are dead bodies in each and every one of them...
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Old 08-19-2011, 01:31 PM   #5230
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Lakes freak me the hell out. There are dead bodies in each and every one of them...

I'd stay away from lakes that have names like Crystal or Wanawhupah or whatever they are called back east.
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Old 08-19-2011, 01:40 PM   #5231
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Shoot...I live just a few miles from a decent sized lake, and after every summer holiday there are news stories about someone who disappeared while swimming or boating and how they're having to bring in divers to search for them. I know they don't find them all...they're just down there, waiting for me.
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Old 08-19-2011, 01:52 PM   #5232
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The recent stories about the brain-eating amoebas from warm rivers/lakes has freaked me out. Even if there's only been 36 known instances of it in the past 30 years.
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Old 08-19-2011, 02:59 PM   #5233
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The recent stories about the brain-eating amoebas from warm rivers/lakes has freaked me out. Even if there's only been 36 known instances of it in the past 30 years.

It's the zombie plague, moving slowly....
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:05 PM   #5234
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I wouldn't recommend the ocean either. Thousands of people there, restrooms rarely used.....
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:11 PM   #5235
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Shoot...I live just a few miles from a decent sized lake, and after every summer holiday there are news stories about someone who disappeared while swimming or boating and how they're having to bring in divers to search for them. I know they don't find them all...they're just down there, waiting for me.

What is that nibbling at your feet?
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:18 PM   #5236
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So my odds of dying by meteor strike are 1-in-700,000. So, of the, say, 300 million or so in this country, 428 of us will die from a meteor strike? Really?

Ah, a little research shows: Death by meteorite | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

And the 1-in-700,000 is based on the odds that some large strike will eventually kill a huge chunk of us at one time.

I hate statistics.
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:18 PM   #5237
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:19 PM   #5238
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So my odds of dying by meteor strike are 1-in-700,000. So, of the, say, 300 million or so in this country, 428 of us will die from a meteor strike? Really?

Ah, a little research shows: Death by meteorite | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

And the 1-in-700,000 is based on the odds that some large strike will eventually kill a huge chunk of us at one time.

I hate statistics.

I feel a lot better now.
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The use of the word 'really' has stood out to me the past few days whenever I open this page. Like, at what point did your hands go from smelling funny to smelling really funny? And what constitutes the difference? Is it the unknown?
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In the ocean the sharks eat them all. At least that's what I tell myself when I'm at the beach...
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:25 PM   #5242
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The use of the word 'really' has stood out to me the past few days whenever I open this page. Like, at what point did your hands go from smelling funny to smelling really funny? And what constitutes the difference? Is it the unknown?

I think it's the unknown. I've put my hands in all sorts of weird places, but it smelled REALLY funny. Like a mixture of rubber, crab, fired caps, unkempt crotch and dog biscuits. And something else I just couldn't figure out.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:25 PM   #5243
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I was going to ask if their hands smelled really funny, but, you said you locked your doors.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:58 PM   #5246
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I'm not sure if the WM3 committed those murders or not, but the "resolution" of this case seems icky to me.

Either they committed them and got off because of poor police work and the DA's desire to save money / face by not going back to trial, or they didn't commit them but still had to take a guilty plea in order to ensure their freedom but also to ensure that they could not sue the state for wrongful imprisonment (or whatever you can sue for in this type of case - not sure that's the right term).

Either way, both sides can spin this however they want. The one thing I do know is that I don't feel like I know the truth any more than I did when I first heard about this case years ago.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:34 PM   #5248
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I was going to ask if their hands smelled really funny, but, you said you locked your doors.

Ha! I'm sure they would produce a really funny smell.
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Old 08-19-2011, 09:08 PM   #5249
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... but the "resolution" of this case seems icky to me.
... The one thing I do know is that I don't feel like I know the truth any more than I did when I first heard about this case years ago.

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Old 08-19-2011, 10:56 PM   #5250
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The WM3 probably wanted out more than anything else, didn't care about a lawsuit, and took this as the quickest way to get there. Else, they'd have waited until November for the hearing to determine whether there would be a new trial, waited weeks to get that decision, then potentially sat through the period prosecutors would have to contemplate re-trying these guys, and potentially another trial (at which they could conceivably be convicted again, to take the word of their Alford pleas).

The Alford plea is akin to a good trade in that both sides get something out of the situation while still being left wanting. You just hate the lives the WM3 have lost (if they're in fact innocent -- don't know the case, won't form an opinion).

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