POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Man thank god they are going full racist in the last days of the campaign

It's only going to serve to give me a neck strain from how hard I shake my head back and forth when Trump is declared the winner at 11:34pm on November 5th.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Speaking before Trump at Madison Square Garden, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe says: “These Latinos love making babies, there’s no pulling out, they cum inside, just like they do to our country”

Calls Puerto Rico “floating garbage island”

Joke abt black people “carving watermelons”
— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) October 27, 2024

Wait till they see how many Puerto Ricans live in Pennsylvania.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It's only going to serve to give me a neck strain from how hard I shake my head back and forth when Trump is declared the winner at 11:34pm on November 5th.

Pretty much.

But don’t worry. You’re just taking this out of context/they didn’t really mean it/etc

[JPhillips]

One of the speakers at the Trump rally is a big wig in Scientology. All of the rogues and creeps are lining up behind Trump.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

One of the speakers at the Trump rally is a big wig in Scientology. All of the rogues and creeps are lining up behind Trump.

You know there is so much behind the scenes shady shit going on with these groups/people. Trump is promising all these people the moon and they are just being willfully ignorant to his empty promises of the past.

[JPhillips]

“Of course there is. Families can be deported together,” says Tom Homan

When asked about separating families through deportation, Trump's former head of ICE said this. They have no problem deporting US citizens.

Tell me again why I shouldn't be concerned for my daughter's safety.

[Ghost Econ]

So all around us in our neighborhood are Harris signs even though we live in a red city in a redder state. No Trump signs.

But we took our kid to a friend's house in the suburbs, and it was entirely Trump signs. Not the country, mind you, but your standard 800k-$1 mil brick houses. The first house as you get passed the pool even had a large cutout of trump in the front window. It's the same in my in-laws neighborhood

[Lathum]

I was in deep red south Jersey yesterday and saw almost no Trump signs. I saw a lot of signs for down ballot candidates so people are putting them up, just not Trump ones.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

So all around us in our neighborhood are Harris signs even though we live in a red city in a redder state. No Trump signs.

But we took our kid to a friend's house in the suburbs, and it was entirely Trump signs. Not the country, mind you, but your standard 800k-$1 mil brick houses. The first house as you get passed the pool even had a large cutout of trump in the front window. It's the same in my in-laws neighborhood

There is one house in my neighborhood who does a cool Halloween display of Jack Skellington arching out over their front door. Even scarier was the Trump signs on the yard.

[larrymcg421]

I live in North Fulton suburbs and it's probably 3-1 Harris-Trump sign ratio.

[Ben E Lou]

These folks in the neighborhood adjacent to mine saved a cheapo plastic sign for four solid years to do....this???

When you can’t be bothered to get a new sign….and I guess you don’t give a crap about Vance either? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(Pics taken on my dog walk this evening. For the record, definitely NOT a case of frugality out of necessity. This is a 5200-sqft home on 2.55 acres in a nice area.) pic.twitter.com/p9IqBs0Ek4

— Ben Lewis (@benelou) October 26, 2024

[albionmoonlight]

The only thing I hate more than Puerto Rico is buying new signs.

[Passacaglia]

Maybe it's just that it's hard to get Trump signs.

[Brian Swartz]

There's an amusing couple of houses not far outside of the small city I live closest to. Scattered signs from some of their neighbors but mostly none. One of these two houses, right next to each other, is basically covered with Harris stuff and other downballot candidates, same for their neighbor with Trump, a dozen or more signs on each lawn. Both of them have a number of them right basically on the property line between their houses, staring at each other a couple feet away from their opposites if that.

It's as if everyone else nearby is just like ... you know, they are having their own war about this over there and they've pretty much got it covered. We don't really need to get into this ...

[Atocep]

The daily show having Jordan Klepper go out to interview MAGA with LT Dangle from Reno 911 is amazing.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

These folks in the neighborhood adjacent to mine saved a cheapo plastic sign for four solid years to do....this???

When you can’t be bothered to get a new sign….and I guess you don’t give a crap about Vance either? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(Pics taken on my dog walk this evening. For the record, definitely NOT a case of frugality out of necessity. This is a 5200-sqft home on 2.55 acres in a nice area.) pic.twitter.com/p9IqBs0Ek4

— Ben Lewis (@benelou) October 26, 2024

I know a guy with one of these except it just says "Trump 202" and then has a mailbox number sticker of "4" over where the "0" was.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The daily show having Jordan Klepper go out to interview MAGA with LT Dangle from Reno 911 is amazing.

Klepper is a genius and I look forward to this, but I also find myself just getting sad watching his stuff. Trump has broken so many peoples brains and they are never coming back

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Maybe it's just that it's hard to get Trump signs.

Without paying for them probably.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Klepper is a genius and I look forward to this, but I also find myself just getting sad watching his stuff. Trump has broken so many peoples brains and they are never coming back

Yeah, it's all fun and games until he gets re-elected. You know we're a lost cause as a nation/society when demonstrating abject stupidity and illogical thinking makes not one bit of difference to 50% of the country.

[Kodos]

It'd be cool to sell Trump signs and merchandise where the proceeds are secretly funneled to support Kamala.

[Jas_lov]

Harris signs outnumber Trump signs 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 here in the Des Moines suburbs depending on where you go. Don't remember nearly this many signs in 2016 or 2020. I'm interested to see the last Selzer poll of Iowa this Sunday to see if she has it any closer than 2020's result of Trump +8. She's usually on the money with her last poll.

[Ksyrup]

My theory is Trumpers don't want people to know it anymore. They're still voting for him, they just aren't going to be obvious about the support. Or maybe they don't really like him as much anymore, but not enough to vote for a *gasp* Democrat.

[Jas_lov]

Could it also be that Dems are doing door to door canvassing this year and handing out the signs? I've never had a yard sign so I dont know how people get them. But in 2020 Dems weren't going door to door and in 2016 nobody was enthusiastic about either candidate.

[RainMaker]

There is a stigma to being a Trump supporter in a lot of suburbs. I see a handful of Trump signs in the Chicago burbs, but it's mostly Harris stuff. Almost all the Republican candidates run as "independents" too and don't mention being a Republican.

[GrantDawg]

The one that really got me. A person I follow on Bluesky lives in North Georgia. He has a neighbor with a Harris sign, and a MTG sign. Explain that one!

[Ksyrup]

Bipolar?

[GrantDawg]

Tested something. Didn't work

[Thomkal]

So as I was getting the mail today, I realized that I had not gotten any political mail since the primaries here. In this county, all of the local races have already been decided with no competition (which sucks) but we have registered Republicans and Democrats in the house, so you think we would be getting something.

[GrantDawg]

The Washington Post has lost 200,000 subscribers since they announced they wouldn't endorse a candidate. Real genius move by one of the few major newspapers still around.

[RainMaker]

Leopard eating the face. I have no clue how this election pans out but the most fitting result would be Harris winning Pennsylvania and Wisconsin but losing a close race in Michigan to cost herself the election.





[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Speaking before Trump at Madison Square Garden, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe says: “These Latinos love making babies, there’s no pulling out, they cum inside, just like they do to our country”

Calls Puerto Rico “floating garbage island”

Joke abt black people “carving watermelons”
— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) October 27, 2024

The Trump camp says that his remarks weren't vetted, yet they were on a teleprompter. It was also reported that he wanted to call Harris the C-word and the campaing told him not to. That was too far, but insulting Blacks and Hispanics was fine.

[Passacaglia]

Brilliant, since Cheney supports the Muslim ban, let's help the guy who created the Muslim ban.

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The one that really got me. A person I follow on Bluesky lives in North Georgia. He has a neighbor with a Harris sign, and a MTG sign. Explain that one!

In 2020, there was a house in my neighborhood that was QAnon come to life. There were flags and signs everywhere, and not just 'Trump - Pence' signs, but crazy conspiracy signs. This guy probably had 50 pieces of flair on and around his house and they stayed up until January 7th.

I ran by a couple weeks ago out of curiosity and there were only 2 signs up. One a Harris - Walz and one a Trump - Vance. In my head, the wife put her foot down. I got a chuckle out of it though.

On a sidenote, it was a totally different neighbor that was raided by the FBI & others for Oathkeeper January 6th reasons.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The Trump camp says that his remarks weren't vetted, yet they were on a teleprompter. It was also reported that he wanted to call Harris the C-word and the campaing told him not to. That was too far, but insulting Blacks and Hispanics was fine.

Don't forget the "Jews take your money" stuff too. Totally OK.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Brilliant, since Cheney supports the Muslim ban, let's help the guy who created the Muslim ban.

Harris is literally campaigning with Cheney this week.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Harris is literally campaigning with Cheney this week.

They're still not the same person. She's not even on the ticket. Harris doesn't need to take on all of the positions of everyone she campaigns with.

And supports is not the same as created.

[Atocep]

Elon Musk somehow getting himself right in the middle of MAGA, going on stage to do his version of the Dean scream, saying he's dark gothic MAGA, and jumping around like a dipshit on stage is where we're at now.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

They're still not the same person. She's not even on the ticket. Harris doesn't need to take on all of the positions of everyone she campaigns with.

And supports is not the same as created.

I think when you travel the country campaigning with someone, it goes beyond just some tepid support. People rightfully call out Trump for campaigning with Nazis and white supremacists. You are judged by the company you keep.

And yes, the Cheney's didn't create the Muslim ban. What Dick Cheney did is so much worse than anything Donald Trump has ever done.

[RainMaker]

I think the editorial stuff is kind of stupid but good lord that's some backlash.

200,000 Washington Post subscribers have canceled their subscriptions following report that Jeff Bezos blocked the editorial board presidential endorsement, per NPR

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) October 28, 2024

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think when you travel the country campaigning with someone, it goes beyond just some tepid support. People rightfully call out Trump for campaigning with Nazis and white supremacists. You are judged by the company you keep.

And yes, the Cheney's didn't create the Muslim ban. What Dick Cheney did is so much worse than anything Donald Trump has ever done.

I think you have it the wrong way, though - Harris isn't supporting Cheney for anything.

And agree on what Dick Cheney did being worse. But going down this road requires more nuanced (in that Liz Cheney is not Dick Cheney), and the reason these billboards don't go down this road is because simpler arguments are preferred, even if they make no sense - which was what I was lamenting in the first place.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

So as I was getting the mail today, I realized that I had not gotten any political mail since the primaries here. In this county, all of the local races have already been decided with no competition (which sucks) but we have registered Republicans and Democrats in the house, so you think we would be getting something.

I think you probably already explained the absence of it.

Based on your remark about the local races, I'm going to guess that you're in a non-competitive county, let's say at least 75-25 skew in one direction or the other.

At that point, and with campaigns knowing turnout history and such, it's simply not worth the investment. Both sides know with a pretty high degree of certainty what they're going to get out of the county & nothing they do is likely to change that significantly.

[Swaggs]

I don't watch a whole lot of live TV aside from sports, and have literally only seen two West Virginia commercials twice each in the last week, despite there being open governor, senate, and US House seats open. One for governor and one for senate, both GOP, and both fairly tame. Meanwhile, I cannot go one commercial break without seeing at least one Pennsylvania Senate or Presidential commercial and often see 3 or 4 back-to-back and they are brutal. Also see a fair amount of PA state senate and house commercials and some US house commercials (definitely more state ones, though).


Granted, I can see Pennsylvania from my back porch (don't mean to evoke Sarah Palin-Russia here) and I guess within the Pittsburgh market, but it is still shocking that I don't see more West Virginia ads during WVU games or Youtube viewing. I actually probably also see more North Carolina ads for governor, but I don't know if it is because I lived there and travel there relatively often or because the NC governor race has attracted a lot of outside money.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Speaking before Trump at Madison Square Garden, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe says: “These Latinos love making babies, there’s no pulling out, they cum inside, just like they do to our country”

Calls Puerto Rico “floating garbage island”

Joke abt black people “carving watermelons”
— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) October 27, 2024

What's interesting about this story is this comment - which is the actual joke - has been scrubbed from nearly all of the more current articles (from today, not yesterday) I'm now seeing about this incident. I was trying to find the exact quote to tell my wife, and not one article I pulled up on Google mentioned it. They refer to an off-color joke, but then they focus almost exclusively on calling Puerto Rico a floating garbage island. That's not even a joke - that was just this dude piling on with a straight-up insult.

The pull-out/come joke is no longer being mentioned at all. I don't know if it's been scrubbed to make it seem less offensive, or if the sexual subject matter makes them hesitant to print it. Aside from the "garbage island" comment, at some point the watermelon carving is brought up, but buried deep in the articles. But that's it.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think you have it the wrong way, though - Harris isn't supporting Cheney for anything.

And agree on what Dick Cheney did being worse. But going down this road requires more nuanced (in that Liz Cheney is not Dick Cheney), and the reason these billboards don't go down this road is because simpler arguments are preferred, even if they make no sense - which was what I was lamenting in the first place.

Correct that the billboards are simple. A more nuanced approach might point out that Liz Cheney supported the wars, defended birtherism, supported torture, and worked in the Bush administration. She started a racist PAC with Bill Kristol that was centered around Obama's "affinity for Muslims". Her sister calls her a carbon copy of her father and she is a direct beneficiary of the mass slaughter of innocent civilians in the Middle East.

Optics matter. If Kamala was campaigning with David Duke, I think people would find that distasteful too. You would likely see opposing campaigns bringing that up in black communities. And I think most people in here have condemned Trump for campaigning with white supremacists and bigots. There have been countless ads pointing that out.

So my question is, what is the purpose of this? What is the benefit from putting your campaign in the hands of Liz Cheney? A person who runs contrary to your strongest positions in this campaign (democracy, abortion, equal rights, racism).

[dubb93]

None of that is out of character for Tony. I’m not sure if any of you have watched or listened to his podcast but they really hit the low hanging fruit of race and sexuality on it non stop. Even to him. He’s openly gay and they are pretty brutal towards him about it.

I mean didn’t he tear the whole room apart at the Tom Brady roast? He’s a vulgar comedian and that is either your thing or it isn’t. They knew what they were doing when they invited him.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

What's interesting about this story is this comment - which is the actual joke - has been scrubbed from nearly all of the more current articles (from today, not yesterday) I'm now seeing about this incident. I was trying to find the exact quote to tell my wife, and not one article I pulled up on Google mentioned it. They refer to an off-color joke, but then they focus almost exclusively on calling Puerto Rico a floating garbage island. That's not even a joke - that was just this dude piling on with a straight-up insult.

The pull-out/come joke is no longer being mentioned at all. I don't know if it's been scrubbed to make it seem less offensive, or if the sexual subject matter makes them hesitant to print it. Aside from the "garbage island" comment, at some point the watermelon carving is brought up, but buried deep in the articles. But that's it.

Noticed this too. Whitewashing what was said seems to be a conscious choice by the media. And while the Latino quote wasn't as racist as the Puerto Rico jab, it was pretty fucking crude for a Presidential event.

I think all the "norms" stuff is silly but this was a press that had a meltdown over Michelle Wolf taking some jabs at Huckabee Sanders.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I don't watch a whole lot of live TV aside from sports, and have literally only seen two West Virginia commercials twice each in the last week, despite there being open governor, senate, and US House seats open. One for governor and one for senate, both GOP, and both fairly tame. Meanwhile, I cannot go one commercial break without seeing at least one Pennsylvania Senate or Presidential commercial and often see 3 or 4 back-to-back and they are brutal. Also see a fair amount of PA state senate and house commercials and some US house commercials (definitely more state ones, though).

The limited amount might be a station avoidance thing.

Remember, stations have to give political candidates the "lowest unit rate" price. Stations in border areas can (and occasionally do) avoid accepting buys from outside their home area in order to prevent having their entire inventory swallowed up by political (which pays the least of any spot that airs)

A simplified explanation of the rule is that if you accept an ad for a race outside the market , then you must accept all ads for a race outside a marekt ... but if a station in this case said "we ain't taking anything state/local* from out of state" then it'd be a factor in limiting how much you see

*stations are required to accept ads for federal level races, even from outside their primary area

[JPhillips]

Hard to know what polling is accurate, but I can't see how a poll with Kansas at only +5 Trump can square with a national environment that's tied.

[RainMaker]

This feels like a bad omen.

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[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Elon Musk somehow getting himself right in the middle of MAGA, going on stage to do his version of the Dean scream, saying he's dark gothic MAGA, and jumping around like a dipshit on stage is where we're at now.

That's Future Secretary of the Treasury Elon Musk to you.