Werewolf CXII - The Red Death - GAME OVER

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

well since I am about to die. I will reveal who I am. I am the scientist. the first day I created an item. tried to use it but could not in the way I tried

You could make and use a gadet in one day?

[Barkeep49]

I don't think CR or Henry really say wolf to me, but the case against henry seems a little stronger so I will go ahead

Vote henry

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You could make and use a gadet in one day?

That is a very good question from a timing stand point. My guess is he attempted to use it at night but I'll be watching for this answer as well.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

not trying to put a wrench in your belief of me. but did he say that before I left? I dont remember.but I am leaving now until after the vote.

I didn't know when you left, so that was my crazy theory

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by dubb93

If I was on the side of no good there is a 0% chance I would convert hoops if I was given a choice. Hoops is a huge lynch target, and leaving hoops alive is just as good as a night kill. I have used that strategy many times.

At this stage in FOFC Werewolf I 100% agree with this analysis. Well, lynch+scan target I 100% agree with ...

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by dubb93

No offense to Hoops, but his greatness is greatly exaggerated. I would have taken someone safe. Someone like CR or someone who voted NTN. Someone like Jackal or Autumn.

Same as above - I don't think I've had a particularly good WW game in awhile now. And I'm probably not a huge threat to do so this game on limited time.

OK, I'm now officially done smearing my own rep

[Thomkal]

so anyone have a vote count?

[Telle]

Just skimmed through today's discussion fast. A vote count would be helpful, please.

[hoopsguy]

OK, based on a very quick read the two guys that have given me the worst vibe over the past 36 hours are Thomkal and PurdueBrade, in that order. I'm guessing I won't have time to do post dredging today to back those assertions and move votes, but if it was wide open I would go for one of these guys.

Now, has someone been keeping a vote count? If not, I'll try to put one together but I'll be starting from ground zero.

[KWhit]

Just trying to catch up.

Vote count, anyone?

[henry296]

Sorry, I was paying more attention to the WW baseball draft.

Here is everything that my role of vanilla villager:

My item was the sprig of miseltoe. Given miseltoe I thought I might become the lover role of the person I passed the item. I passed it to Jackal last night, but nothing happened. I'm actually confused by his response to me that is setting of a strange vibe. He should be able to vouch for my story.

Now I know my item does nothing to prove that I'm a villager, but since my vague comments seem to be the reason to lynch me, I'm telling everything right now.

[KWhit]

What was Jackal's strange response?

[KWhit]

And, uh... Anyone have a vote count handy?

[The Jackal]

I can confirm that I received misletoe but nothing happened. That doesn
t clear you at this point, but you are telling the truth.

[The Jackal]

I think he was referring to why I voted for him - the way he was speaking about his object yesterday, that's what struck me as strange.

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I show for votes as of Post #515:

NTN - Autumn (344), J23 (456)
RA - DV (380)
CR - Lathum (411), Henry (420), Dubb (460), RA (496), PB (499)
Henry - NTN (482), Jackal (486), CF (488), Thomkal (490), CR (501), BK (503)

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by henry296

Sorry, I was paying more attention to the WW baseball draft.

Here is everything that my role of vanilla villager:

My item was the sprig of miseltoe. Given miseltoe I thought I might become the lover role of the person I passed the item. I passed it to Jackal last night, but nothing happened. I'm actually confused by his response to me that is setting of a strange vibe. He should be able to vouch for my story.

Now I know my item does nothing to prove that I'm a villager, but since my vague comments seem to be the reason to lynch me, I'm telling everything right now.

Why a person rather than a role?
Why Jackal as that person?

[henry296]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm mixed between NTN and henry right now. NTN for the voting info, though I appreciate him responding about why he didn't move his vote yesterday. I found henry's comments about his item to be puzzling, perhaps they were villager motivated but could also have been a mechanic for getting us to think he's doing something positive.

As for CR I'm not really buying that line of thinking. Him being a good villager/conversion target makes him a good scan target but I don't think we need to lynch him this quick. Once we get past the conversion phase I would be more willing to look down that road, especially since we'll have four days of voting from people.

Kwhit - this was jackal's post I was referencing. He seemed confused about my comments.

[hoopsguy]

Also, who started the Santa posts on Day 1? If it is anyone other than Henry then this is pretty ironic.

[KWhit]

Thanks, Hoops.

[henry296]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Why a person rather than a role?
Why Jackal as that person?

My memory of the lover role was that both people died if one was lynched so I didn't want to pick a role like seer.

As for Jackal, it was relatively random of someone who I didn't think would be an early lynch candidate, but someone who I thought might be beneficial to have PM rights if I was correct about the impact of my item.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, who started the Santa posts on Day 1? If it is anyone other than Henry then this is pretty ironic.

Hehe, that is me, one of the two people that you suspect (jerk!).

So far, everyone has kind of been all over the place so I don't have any real feelings, except BK has agreed with me on at least one thing earlier and I agree with his question regarding ntn's item so I guess I'll give him the benefit for now. The rest of you are all on my list though...all 20 of you or whatever there are!

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Why a person rather than a role?
Why Jackal as that person?

I think that the story has an internal logic. If you're "lovering" someone you'd want to know who, in case it looked like they were going to die.

[Danny]

Vote CR

On blackberry, can't bold or really go o er things

[Danny]

Sorry guys so busy today

[Barkeep49]

Danny you just tied the vote. As an FYI.

[Telle]

Well I still have to vote.. so that'll un-tie it.

[KWhit]

I'm apt to buy Henry's info at this point, so I'll:

Vote CR

[hoopsguy]

Push comes to shove, I trust the late movers to Chief Rum less than the ones to Henry.

VOTE HENRY

[hoopsguy]

Tied again, waiting on Telle + late movement.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm apt to buy Henry's info at this point, so I'll:

Vote CR

What was henry's info? I missed that when skimming.

[KWhit]

[quote=hoopsguy;2249926]Push comes to shove, I trust the late movers to Chief Rum less than the ones to Henry.

[hoopsguy]

Jackal, I don't think you have a vote in yet, correct?

Any worries on your end about being "lovered" to Henry just by virtue of the item pass?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm apt to buy Henry's info at this point, so I'll:

Vote CR

Everyone has an item. If you're a bad guy and you have an item that seems useless to you, of course you pass it, to build trust for this sort of situation. Frankly the idea that someone would WANT to become lovers with someone disagrees with me, though I don't think it's evil per se, just not the choice I'd make.

[hoopsguy]

[quote=KWhit;2249929]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Push comes to shove, I trust the late movers to Chief Rum less than the ones to Henry.

Heh, I had not seen your vote when I posted it
The three before you ... well, I had seen their votes ...

[Barkeep49]

We're missing more than just Telle's vote aren't we?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Telle

What was henry's info? I missed that when skimming.

No reveal, just his reasoning behind the passing of his item to Jackal. Doesn't mean he's good, though.

[PurdueBrad]

Post 519 plays very, very key for me to explore further. I don't believe Henry is the lynch based on that but Jackal may be worth exploring.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Jackal, I don't think you have a vote in yet, correct?

Any worries on your end about being "lovered" to Henry just by virtue of the item pass?

NM, see you are on Henry. Question still stands.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by KWhit

No reveal, just his reasoning behind the passing of his item to Jackal. Doesn't mean he's good, though.

Ahhh.. gotcha.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Everyone has an item. If you're a bad guy and you have an item that seems useless to you, of course you pass it, to build trust for this sort of situation. Frankly the idea that someone would WANT to become lovers with someone disagrees with me, though I don't think it's evil per se, just not the choice I'd make.

That is an interesting idea, you're right. The lover role is really high risk, moderate reward. You typically get the ability to PM and little more but if one dies, you both die. Hmmm...

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Post 519 plays very, very key for me to explore further. I don't believe Henry is the lynch based on that but Jackal may be worth exploring.

Don't understand.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Everyone has an item. If you're a bad guy and you have an item that seems useless to you, of course you pass it, to build trust for this sort of situation. Frankly the idea that someone would WANT to become lovers with someone disagrees with me, though I don't think it's evil per se, just not the choice I'd make.

Yeah, everything you say is true. I think it's human nature though to want to use an item if you have it. And since the basic reasoning for voting him was because of the weirdness of his early statements about the item... well, once he explained those, any reason to vote him goes away.

At least I understand what he was doing now.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Jackal, I don't think you have a vote in yet, correct?

Any worries on your end about being "lovered" to Henry just by virtue of the item pass?

I voted for henry, I hadn't thought of that. I guess it's somewhat concerning, but since we didnt get PM rights I'm not going to dwell on it. Maybe I'll pass the misletoe away.

[Telle]

I honestly don't know which way to go.. and I'm too sick to really care right now. Hopefully I'll be better tomorrow and more active then.

vote henry

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Don't understand.

I see the way that Henry is reading Jackal's response. For me, and this is more gut than anything, it does read mildly odd the discussion about the item. I agree, giving an item could be used to build trust, but there was something about immediately suspecting the person that passed you something by name that struck me as odd. Again, a vibe thing.

[Chief Rum]

What happens in a tie? Anyone know?

Should I reveal my (passed yesterday) item? Just in case, so the info is out there and we know it exists?

[henry296]

Just to clarify, the lover role does not exist in this game at least from my item. Jackal and I are not linked at this point. I just question his confusion of my first explanation earlier today when I was being a little bit vague.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I see the way that Henry is reading Jackal's response. For me, and this is more gut than anything, it does read mildly odd the discussion about the item. I agree, giving an item could be used to build trust, but there was something about immediately suspecting the person that passed you something by name that struck me as odd. Again, a vibe thing.

That makes sense. Just brainstorming could it be the misteltoe does have an effect, but it's one that wasn't positive?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

That makes sense. Just brainstorming could it be the misteltoe does have an effect, but it's one that wasn't positive?

That's what I'm wondering. I had an item that had no description but I knew that it belonged with one of two characters (hope I picked right) but I do wonder about the items that are seemingly benign.