Werewolf LXXXIX - 30 Days of Night - GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS! - Page 11

dubb93 · 03-23-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I think this is interesting.....also that day, Peregrine basically put the condemning vote on Abe, and poli voted after him... not exactly wolf hiding places.

I have placed MANY killing votes on wolves when I was a wolf. Keep in mind that Abe was going to get voted out. It was only a matter of time. He didn't go day 1 barely, he tied day 2, and again on day three he was getting massive amounts of votes. At that point why the hell not make yourself look good? Those late "condemning" votes on Abe do not do anything for me. If they had voted the other way Abe goes today and they all look awful.

Abe was going, a smart wolf would make it look like he was finally going b/c of him.

dubb93 · 03-23-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I guess you could be not couting the vampire as a role but you seem to0

Yea I overlooked the Duke, that would make it 25% he is a vampire.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 02:08 PM

Wow. What a day. With danny gone, I'll reveal. I was "the wife." Actually, let's get it straight. I WAS THE ESTRANGED wife.

claphamsa · 03-23-2009, 02:08 PM

oh, ok, wasnt sure if i had missed something.....

Poli · 03-23-2009, 02:10 PM

I actually thought I'd be dead if danny died. I'm happy to be alive!

dubb93 · 03-23-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

Wow. What a day. With danny gone, I'll reveal. I was "the wife." Actually, let's get it straight. I WAS THE ESTRANGED wife.

Seems I pegged that.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 02:10 PM

That said, I'll be back in an hour or two. Still got some actual work to do in this place.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 02:13 PM

Yeah, dubb, and I'm not 100% clear how you did so. Although, I might add, I believe if I go back to my PMs with Danny I think we were both pegging CR for a vampire. Danny actually started to believe CR's statements near the end, though I wasn't buying it.

I can give you details on who danny scanned for master vampires, for what it's worth. Without looking, I can tell you that I do know Peregrine was our first scan and Schmidty was last night's.

claphamsa · 03-23-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

That said, I'll be back in an hour or two. Still got some actual work to do in this place.

work=lame!

Poli · 03-23-2009, 02:14 PM

It's at a casino, too. How lame is that?

DaddyTorgo · 03-23-2009, 02:40 PM

did team villager wrap this one up yet? c'mon guys!

Schmidty · 03-23-2009, 03:51 PM

Just got back from a long day of job-hunting. Very happy to see that we got the Master Vamp!! Sorry I doubted you Danny!!

Peregrine - I don't really know what to say to defend myself from your vote, so I'll just that I understand your suspicion. My vote history does look iffy. On day two and three I was tempted to switch over, but I wasn't completely sure, and if I did switch, it would have looked like a pile-on, so I took the chance and stayed on Danny and Telle. That's about it.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Also if we go back to my logic that caught PB(it was flawed I know, but it worked) it can be said Peregrine is not a normal villager either.

Again in my PM it said 100% certainty that I do not mind the cold. The only 4 to publicly come out starting anything different than this or just flat out saying that their PM did not say this are PB, Poli, Danny, and Peregrine.

PB and Peregrine both made cracks about the cold and Poli and Danny both said that their PM did not contain any insight into the cold.

Also Schmidty and KWhit have both vouched with me stating that their starting PMs said they did not mind the cold. Again take this all for what it is worth.

Well I'm not sure what to say about this claptrap, other than what I said there was purely about me, the player, not anything I may have received as a PM. I never use PM information in games, people who have played the games I GM know I come out really hard against that, I think it's against the spirit of the game.

Schmidty · 03-23-2009, 04:07 PM

Not to be preachy Peregrine, but you aren't supposed to edit posts in WW. Just saying.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 04:11 PM

So guys, we need to get going here. It's three hours to lynch and we have what, three votes? For three different people? Let's hear from some of the others and get some more votes out there.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Not to be preachy Peregrine, but you aren't supposed to edit posts in WW. Just saying.

D'oh, you're right, I broke one of the cardinal WW rules.

The Jackal · 03-23-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

D'oh, you're right, I broke one of the cardinal WW rules.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 04:25 PM

Looks like I have a 1 in 7 chance of voting for the right vampire.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 04:25 PM

Now if the duke and the bodyguard would just step out and make this a 1 in 5 shot...just kidding!!!

Poli · 03-23-2009, 04:26 PM

VOTE CLAP

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 04:29 PM

The good news is that with probably only one vamp left, they don't have much force in trying to manipulate the vote - other than by trying to convince us to vote for someone.

It might be interesting for everyone to post the three people they consider the most likely suspects - if we put all those together it might give us a good person to vote for. I know Dubb and I have already done this (though I listed 4.)

Passacaglia · 03-23-2009, 04:34 PM

I did it, but listed two.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I did it, but listed two.

Yes and notably Claphamsa is on your and Dubb's list, and would be my fourth.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 04:40 PM

CLAP
PERE
PASS

For what's it's worth.

SCHMIDTY
KWHIT
DUBB
TELLE

To round it out.

Danny · 03-23-2009, 05:35 PM

Wow, the game died when I died

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 05:42 PM

Since several of us have expressed suspicion of Claphamsa, I'm going to switch my vote.

unvote Schmidty
vote claphamsa

Poli · 03-23-2009, 05:54 PM

FWIW,

We scanned Peregrine first for master vamping. Nada.

Next was kwhit, again, nada.

Next was going to be CR. I wasn't thrilled with his feigned ignorance of the rules. However, he swayed Danny and we were instead going with Schmidty.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:01 PM

One thing that kind of jumps out of me from one of the PMs from danny.

Essentially, this came as Danny and I voted for Abe the day before.

Danny pointed out that of the four people that voted for Abe on that day, three of us (EF, Danny, and me) were confirmed good. That meant at most one wolf voted for him and it wasn't Telle (which he didn't think she was), then no wolves voted for him. He wanted to say as much in the thread, but would have outed me in the process.

Noting that, Danny pretty much had Abe pinned as a wolf. Danny's logic and PB's "random" vote on Abe sold me, I know that much.

He was also suspecting Peregrine. Danny's though was that Pere had not voted for Abe at all and then tried to create a new potential victim in Telle after Danny "revealed" as the wife. Danny felt that Pere might be subtley shifting focus to Telle away from Abe. Danny argued that we as villagers would have more to gain by lynching Abe, but that Pere was seemingly trying to avoid Abe's lynching, without directly linking himself to it.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:02 PM

UNVOTE CLAP
VOTE PERE

I'll take a Danny flyer here.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 06:05 PM

Hmm, if Danny was suspecting me so much, why didn't he say so? He didn't mention it in his master list of votes, and in fact said I had earned some level of trust. So are you basing your vote on that, or just what he told you?

Schmidty · 03-23-2009, 06:11 PM

I've been reading through the thread and at the reasoning behind suspicion of clap, and am convinced that there is a decent shot at him being bad. I don't want to look like a pile on, but I tried to avoid doing that the past couple of days, and look what it got me. I hope we're right.

Vote clap

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:13 PM

He certainly didn't mention that I was in fact the wife. The truth is, danny and I were able to share information with each other that we didn't feel we could here.

For example:

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Originally Posted by Poli

Why are vampires severing heads? Is this a movie thing?

This quite very very nearly was a

VOTE ABE SARGENT post.

However, after Danny's reveal, I felt I better keep my mouth shut and head down. I felt if CR was a bad guy (yes, I had told Danny I didn't like CR for his feigned ignorance of the rules) and was looking to shift focus on someone, he might take the first person that would vote for Abe.

I told Danny that I was essentially going to hide out of a bit and play some under the radar so that the vampires would not try to link Danny with me.

Instead, Danny cast the first vote later, and ironically Chief Rum followed. I felt for certain that CR would later remove the vote.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 06:13 PM

To add on to the last post, Poli:

Danny in post 399 - did not include me in his list of suspects (Pass, Dubb, Chief Rum, Schmidty,) and said he'd give me the benefit of the doubt for now.

Danny in post 417 - listed everyone's voting and made comments on those he felt suspicious - did not comment on me

I'm not saying he had cleared me, but clearly it was obvious I wasn't at the top of his list - and you saying so now seems strange to me.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:14 PM

Strange as it might be, he didn't list me in his super secret decoder club, either.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

Strange as it might be, he didn't list me in his super secret decoder club, either.

That wouldn't be strange at all if he was trying to avoid drawing attention to you as the wife.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I had a feeling Abe was an important vampire, I versed this especially strong in PM's with my husband. There was just too much reluctance from too many people to lynch him.

FWIW, the PM danny references is the exact one where he mentions he's suspicious of Pere.

Truth be told, Pere wasn't the only person he suspected. He had concerns obviously with Schmidty, who was to be his last scan. He also said that if Schmidty was clean, he was going after Clap next.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

That wouldn't be strange at all if he was trying to avoid drawing attention to you as the wife.

In the same notion, he could avoid mentioning you in public so as to keep you unaware.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:19 PM

Actually, re-reading the PM, he was scanning Schmidty, and if he came up clean, was going to push for a Clap lynch.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 06:20 PM

Getting close to lynch time, and I'd feel better if we'd heard from Telle and Schmidty in the voting. I'm guessing Kwhit is just out of the game at this point? Hasn't posted since the 19th.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

In the same notion, he could avoid mentioning you in public so as to keep you unaware.

Don't even get started there - basing your votes on supposed secret PMs you had with a dead person is highly suspicious. No one can back up your claim, if you were a wolf making a false reveal it would give you carte blanche to say Danny had implicated anyone.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:23 PM

Giggles. Seriously?

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 06:23 PM

I'm not saying you are a wolf, mind you, but just that that kind of rationalization is pretty shaky.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:24 PM

I am basically the inventor of quoting PMs. I'd be happy to take some snapshots for you.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:25 PM

Four bells, Schmidty, arriving.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

I am basically the inventor of quoting PMs. I'd be happy to take some snapshots for you.

Please don't - as I said before, I don't believe in using PM text in game.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:25 PM

Understood, but ask hoopsguy. I will call a bluff. I am not scared.

Peregrine · 03-23-2009, 06:29 PM

I guess my point is, Danny had to figure he was a priority wolf target just based on the fact that he was the most active person and was basically leading our attack. I can't believe that in the last hours leading up to his lynching he would be playing games with who he suspected. He put his cards clearly on the table. Vote for who you choose, but you would be mistaken to vote for me - I'd advise looking at the suspect list he identified - we already know one of the four he named was a wolf - (Pass, Dubb, Chief Rum, Schmidty.)

Schmidty · 03-23-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Getting close to lynch time, and I'd feel better if we'd heard from Telle and Schmidty in the voting. I'm guessing Kwhit is just out of the game at this point? Hasn't posted since the 19th.

I voted a few posts above. I know I'm not adding much to the conversation, but I am reading and looking through the posts. I'm just not as good at analyzing things as others are (as usual).

Well, I'll be back in an hour or so. Time to get my little munchkin from karate.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

To add on to the last post, Poli:

Danny in post 399 - did not include me in his list of suspects (Pass, Dubb, Chief Rum, Schmidty,) and said he'd give me the benefit of the doubt for now.

Danny in post 417 - listed everyone's voting and made comments on those he felt suspicious - did not comment on me

I'm not saying he had cleared me, but clearly it was obvious I wasn't at the top of his list - and you saying so now seems strange to me.

It is entirely possible you changed his mind...but like I said...just hours earlier he had quite a bit to say about you. Now, in all honesty, quite a bit was actually more like a paragraph...but that is more than he had to say about anyone other than those than are already dead vampires.

Poli · 03-23-2009, 06:33 PM

Then again, as I see it unfolding, you did vote for Abe in between that PM and the post 399.

03-23-2009, 02:08 PM	#503
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Wow. What a day. With danny gone, I'll reveal. I was "the wife." Actually, let's get it straight. I WAS THE ESTRANGED wife. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 02:08 PM	#504
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	oh, ok, wasnt sure if i had missed something..... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

03-23-2009, 02:10 PM	#505
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I actually thought I'd be dead if danny died. I'm happy to be alive! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 02:10 PM	#507
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	That said, I'll be back in an hour or two. Still got some actual work to do in this place. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 02:13 PM	#508
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Yeah, dubb, and I'm not 100% clear how you did so. Although, I might add, I believe if I go back to my PMs with Danny I think we were both pegging CR for a vampire. Danny actually started to believe CR's statements near the end, though I wasn't buying it. I can give you details on who danny scanned for master vampires, for what it's worth. Without looking, I can tell you that I do know Peregrine was our first scan and Schmidty was last night's. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 02:14 PM	#510
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	It's at a casino, too. How lame is that? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 02:40 PM	#511
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	did team villager wrap this one up yet? c'mon guys!

03-23-2009, 03:51 PM	#512
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Just got back from a long day of job-hunting. Very happy to see that we got the Master Vamp!! Sorry I doubted you Danny!! Peregrine - I don't really know what to say to defend myself from your vote, so I'll just that I understand your suspicion. My vote history does look iffy. On day two and three I was tempted to switch over, but I wasn't completely sure, and if I did switch, it would have looked like a pile-on, so I took the chance and stayed on Danny and Telle. That's about it. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

03-23-2009, 04:07 PM	#514
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Not to be preachy Peregrine, but you aren't supposed to edit posts in WW. Just saying. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

03-23-2009, 04:11 PM	#515
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	So guys, we need to get going here. It's three hours to lynch and we have what, three votes? For three different people? Let's hear from some of the others and get some more votes out there.

03-23-2009, 04:25 PM	#518
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Looks like I have a 1 in 7 chance of voting for the right vampire. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 04:25 PM	#519
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Now if the duke and the bodyguard would just step out and make this a 1 in 5 shot...just kidding!!! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 04:26 PM	#520
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	VOTE CLAP __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 04:29 PM	#521
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	The good news is that with probably only one vamp left, they don't have much force in trying to manipulate the vote - other than by trying to convince us to vote for someone. It might be interesting for everyone to post the three people they consider the most likely suspects - if we put all those together it might give us a good person to vote for. I know Dubb and I have already done this (though I listed 4.)

03-23-2009, 04:34 PM	#522
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I did it, but listed two.

03-23-2009, 04:40 PM	#524
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	CLAP PERE PASS For what's it's worth. SCHMIDTY KWHIT DUBB TELLE To round it out. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 05:35 PM	#525
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Wow, the game died when I died

03-23-2009, 05:42 PM	#526
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Since several of us have expressed suspicion of Claphamsa, I'm going to switch my vote. unvote Schmidty vote claphamsa

03-23-2009, 05:54 PM	#527
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	FWIW, We scanned Peregrine first for master vamping. Nada. Next was kwhit, again, nada. Next was going to be CR. I wasn't thrilled with his feigned ignorance of the rules. However, he swayed Danny and we were instead going with Schmidty. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:01 PM	#528
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	One thing that kind of jumps out of me from one of the PMs from danny. Essentially, this came as Danny and I voted for Abe the day before. Danny pointed out that of the four people that voted for Abe on that day, three of us (EF, Danny, and me) were confirmed good. That meant at most one wolf voted for him and it wasn't Telle (which he didn't think she was), then no wolves voted for him. He wanted to say as much in the thread, but would have outed me in the process. Noting that, Danny pretty much had Abe pinned as a wolf. Danny's logic and PB's "random" vote on Abe sold me, I know that much. He was also suspecting Peregrine. Danny's though was that Pere had not voted for Abe at all and then tried to create a new potential victim in Telle after Danny "revealed" as the wife. Danny felt that Pere might be subtley shifting focus to Telle away from Abe. Danny argued that we as villagers would have more to gain by lynching Abe, but that Pere was seemingly trying to avoid Abe's lynching, without directly linking himself to it. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:02 PM	#529
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	UNVOTE CLAP VOTE PERE I'll take a Danny flyer here. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:05 PM	#530
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Hmm, if Danny was suspecting me so much, why didn't he say so? He didn't mention it in his master list of votes, and in fact said I had earned some level of trust. So are you basing your vote on that, or just what he told you?

03-23-2009, 06:11 PM	#531
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I've been reading through the thread and at the reasoning behind suspicion of clap, and am convinced that there is a decent shot at him being bad. I don't want to look like a pile on, but I tried to avoid doing that the past couple of days, and look what it got me. I hope we're right. Vote clap __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

03-23-2009, 06:13 PM	#533
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	To add on to the last post, Poli: Danny in post 399 - did not include me in his list of suspects (Pass, Dubb, Chief Rum, Schmidty,) and said he'd give me the benefit of the doubt for now. Danny in post 417 - listed everyone's voting and made comments on those he felt suspicious - did not comment on me I'm not saying he had cleared me, but clearly it was obvious I wasn't at the top of his list - and you saying so now seems strange to me.

03-23-2009, 06:14 PM	#534
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Strange as it might be, he didn't list me in his super secret decoder club, either. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:19 PM	#538
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Actually, re-reading the PM, he was scanning Schmidty, and if he came up clean, was going to push for a Clap lynch. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:20 PM	#539
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Getting close to lynch time, and I'd feel better if we'd heard from Telle and Schmidty in the voting. I'm guessing Kwhit is just out of the game at this point? Hasn't posted since the 19th.

03-23-2009, 06:23 PM	#541
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Giggles. Seriously? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:23 PM	#542
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	I'm not saying you are a wolf, mind you, but just that that kind of rationalization is pretty shaky.

03-23-2009, 06:24 PM	#543
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I am basically the inventor of quoting PMs. I'd be happy to take some snapshots for you. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:25 PM	#544
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Four bells, Schmidty, arriving. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:25 PM	#546
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Understood, but ask hoopsguy. I will call a bluff. I am not scared. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-23-2009, 06:29 PM	#547
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	I guess my point is, Danny had to figure he was a priority wolf target just based on the fact that he was the most active person and was basically leading our attack. I can't believe that in the last hours leading up to his lynching he would be playing games with who he suspected. He put his cards clearly on the table. Vote for who you choose, but you would be mistaken to vote for me - I'd advise looking at the suspect list he identified - we already know one of the four he named was a wolf - (Pass, Dubb, Chief Rum, Schmidty.)

03-23-2009, 06:33 PM	#550
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Then again, as I see it unfolding, you did vote for Abe in between that PM and the post 399. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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