WW - Nightmare Before Christmas (Game Over - Wolves Win!!!)

[Coffee Warlord]

Unvote Autumn

Vote Martin

[EagleFan]

As of post 501:

Coffee Warlord 3 - thejuggler3 (470), Autumn (484), MartinD (491)
Danny 2 - Lathum (468), Raiders Army (478)
MartinD 2 - DaddyTorgo (500), Coffee Warlord (501)
Autumn 1 - Danny (476)

[Lathum]

Unvote Danny
Vote MartinD

Don't want things to close. The tie dynamic really messes with the votiing being close.

[Autumn]

Heading off to dinner then dealing with the kids tonight. I should be on before deadline, but it might be later.

[Lathum]

err, didn't realize we were onto a new page and screwed up. Gonna leave it as is for now and see what shakes.

[Raiders Army]

Well, my vote won't make a difference.

UNVOTE DANNY
VOTE MARTIND

[Danny]

Really? You guys are voting MartinD after he and Jackal exchanged early votes on eachother yesterday almost making sure both would be lynch candidates?

I will not be voting MartinD at this point.

[EagleFan]

As of post 507:

MartinD 4 - DaddyTorgo (500), Coffee Warlord (501), Lathum (503), Raiders Army (506)
Coffee Warlord 3 - thejuggler3 (470), Autumn (484), MartinD (491)
Autumn 1 - Danny (476)

[Danny]

Unvote Autumn
Vote CoffeeWarlord

Not sold on him, but I think he is a better vote than MartinD

[Danny]

And Autumn, there were two primary reasons I switched to Jackal. One is that I reread his posts and he pinged me as a wolf. I've generally been good at reading Jackal, so I trusted my gut to some degree on that. The second reason I am still not willing to say at this point, just in case.

[Danny]

Also, people keep claiming that I never provided any reasoning for my Saldana vote, but I backed up that vote with my reasons multiple times. I think he was the best vote day 1 and was a better vote day 2 than either Packer or Darth and I stand by that despite the fact he obviously was good.

[Coffee Warlord]

So that puts all 4 people who are on my shit list voting for me. Heh.

[Coffee Warlord]

Wait, no. I've got RA on my side, god help me.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

So that puts all 4 people who are on my shit list voting for me. Heh.

FWIW, I actually think both you and MartinD are villagers.

[EagleFan]

As of post 514:

MartinD 4 - DaddyTorgo (500), Coffee Warlord (501), Lathum (503), Raiders Army (506)
Coffee Warlord 4 - thejuggler3 (470), Autumn (484), MartinD (491), Danny (509)

[Danny]

Not taking into account any potential seer information, I will be back to voting Autumn tomorrow.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Wait, no. I've got RA on my side, god help me.

Sorry, Al Davis is the Prince of Darkness. Danny should know that.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Sorry, Al Davis is the Prince of Darkness. Danny should know that.

Al Davis is not Ozzy Osbourne!

[Coffee Warlord]

Dammit, I need dinner.

[Raiders Army]

Hey, I forget. Does Jay Cutler have diabetes? I never hear it mentioned anymore.


(on a side note, every time we see Cutler on TV, my wife mentions the fact that he has diabetes. All those announcers talked about it every game a few years ago)

[thejuggler3]

Off for dinner as well. Will be back in time for deadline to talk stalemate breaking.

[Lathum]

So what happens if there is a tie and there are only 2 candidates?

[Raiders Army]

I hope someone breaks the stalemate. Anyhow, I'm gone for the night. Good luck village.

[Danny]

Random player is lynched. I think I'd rather take a random shot than lynch the player I have the most trust in (except for DT obviously)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Random player is lynched. I think I'd rather take a random shot than lynch the player I have the most trust in (except for DT obviously)

My understanding of the rule is if there is a tie another player who has votes on them will be randomly lynched

[Danny]

It says those not tied for the lead, so basically a random player EXCEPT for Martin or Coffee would be lynched.

[Danny]

I'm out now, probably won't be back before deadline.

[DaddyTorgo]

Aaargh.

[Lathum]

Unvote MartinD
Vote CW

[Coffee Warlord]

Please don't do that.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Danny

Also, people keep claiming that I never provided any reasoning for my Saldana vote, but I backed up that vote with my reasons multiple times. I think he was the best vote day 1 and was a better vote day 2 than either Packer or Darth and I stand by that despite the fact he obviously was good.

FWIW, my point is not that you gave no reason for your vote (though you did give less than I expect from you normally) but that you stuck with votes on him even when he wasn't really a candidate. That seemed odd.

Thanks for answering my question about Jackal. I guess you saw something different than I did then. I didn't read anything in his play, thought you had seen what I saw in Chief's post.

I'm not sure I get why you're saying you'd like to vote me - if it's because I piggybacked on you, I most certainly did. I explained it's because I thought you were the seer and were trying to tell us something. I also had voted Saldana earlier days and thought he was a good candidate as well.

[EagleFan]

As of post 530:

Coffee Warlord 5 - thejuggler3 (470), Autumn (484), MartinD (491), Danny (509), Lathum (529)
MartinD 3 - DaddyTorgo (500), Coffee Warlord (501), Lathum (503), Raiders Army (506)

[thejuggler3]

I was going to wait for another 15 minutes then offer to change to break the stalemate, but Lathum saved me from that. Well, guess I'll just sit right here. Still am pretty sure we've got a wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by thejuggler3

I was going to wait for another 15 minutes then offer to change to break the stalemate, but Lathum saved me from that. Well, guess I'll just sit right here. Still am pretty sure we've got a wolf.

I'm doubting it frankly..

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by thejuggler3

I was going to wait for another 15 minutes then offer to change to break the stalemate, but Lathum saved me from that. Well, guess I'll just sit right here. Still am pretty sure we've got a wolf.

You still could... I've been wanting to get a chance to use the tie break mechanic...

Edit: Switch your vote that is...

[thejuggler3]

Okay, I'll lay it out there (the couple of beers with dinner helps).

DT, I trust you and somwhat Lathum. You both went Martin, and you both have more experience with the game than I do.

If you're very confident, I'm willing to switch over. I think Coffee is a wolf, and I don't get the wolf vibe from Martin, but I'll trust you guys if you'd like.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not sold on Martin either frankly...based on what Danny pointed out about him and Jackal exchanging votes...but we're too late now to get a move to any other candidate...not sure that CW is the way we want to go...he's put forth a lot of ideas to the village that have been very helpful that frankly I don't think he would have pointed out as a wolf...tie might be in our best interest...i dunno.

[thejuggler3]

I just get a bad feeling from CW. So far the only one I've been suspicious of that has been a wolf has been Jackal, so my instincts are a bit rusty. All things help equal, I'm ahppy where the votes are and don't want to change.

Just wanted to try to see if you felt strongly enough to ask me to change. DT, if you said you felt confident, I would switch. Because you're not feeling confident on Martin, that increases my resolve for CW.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I'm not sold on Martin either frankly...

Here's the deal why I'm still gunning on Martin. Many, many games ago, I was the vigilante. I second guessed myself. I switched my night kill action not once, but twice. Three different targets.

Target 1? Wolf.
Target 2? Wolf.
Target 3? Villager.

I pretty much decided from then on out I would never second guess myself again. It works...oh, occaisonally.

I could be wrong. I could be very, very wrong. But I'm not a wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Here's the deal why I'm still gunning on Martin. Many, many games ago, I was the vigilante. I second guessed myself. I switched my night kill action not once, but twice. Three different targets.

Target 1? Wolf.
Target 2? Wolf.
Target 3? Villager.

I pretty much decided from then on out I would never second guess myself again. It works...oh, occaisonally.

I could be wrong. I could be very, very wrong. But I'm not a wolf.

I put more stock in Danny's reasons not to vote Martin frankly. But I feel you might be just as bad a vote...

[Coffee Warlord]

AND.

Let's face it. If you want to earn trust by moving votes to a wolf...it's the brutal you wanna move it to. Especially since we were already hurting.

[Lathum]

I would be more than willing to move back to Danny if the interest as there.

[Coffee Warlord]

Laaaaaaaaathum.

Change your vote back. Pretty please, with yaks on top.

[Coffee Warlord]

Or to Danny.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hey Juggler! Do Christmas a favor and re-force a tie.

[DaddyTorgo]

CW - do you have a preference between MartinD and Danny?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

CW - do you have a preference between MartinD and Danny?

I honestly don't. I wish I did.

The one and only reason I've stayed on Martin's case is because he hit a nerve with me, and come hell or high water, I'll stick on it. But Danny could very well be a better vote.

[Autumn]

My vote is Danny or CoffeeWarlord. So if for some reason people want to switch to Danny I'll follow. I'm not going to vote Martin though over those two.

[thejuggler3]

Grrrrr, if we can all agree on Danny, then fine. I still think Coffee, but I'm willing to negotiate because I find Danny suspicious as well.

[Coffee Warlord]

Sigh.

I can't wait any longer.