Werewolf XLVI - Sun And Shadow (Game Thread) - Game Over! Cultists win!

[KWhit]

Unfortunately, I'm not going to do you guys much good.

I know nothing about the other Shadow.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Unfortunately, I'm not going to do you guys much good.

I know nothing about the other Shadow.

No messages received from them or anything?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Unfortunately, I'm not going to do you guys much good.

I know nothing about the other Shadow.

Can you tell us anything about the communication or anything you found out? Or were you completely in the dark?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by path12

So what happened in the dream?

Well....

Two guys started yelling at each other. And then they pulled their penises out and compared length.

Then some guy comes in and says, "It's KWhit. Seriously!"

And then some other guy says, "100%."

And then the Scarecrow starts licking peanut butter off my chest and I rub his hair and......

Uh..... What dream?

[KWhit]

Well.. There were evidently some technical difficulties that kept me from getting any messages.

Buuuuttttt.......

There is a Yahoo Group set up that allows anonymous posts to go back and forth. I asked a bunch of questions, but never got a response back.

Turns out that was because the username Peregrine gave me didn't actually have access to the group.

I unfortunately learned of this when I just logged in a few minutes ago. So by the time it could be fixed I was cleansed (oh praise Jesus!). Or something like that.

Ooops.

[DaddyTorgo]

guys...i have a feeling what we see is what we get from Kwhit. Makes sense in terms of balance too, that we wouldn't be able to learn a ton from an ex-shadow player I would imagine.

[DaddyTorgo]

lol. And apparently kwhit was just playing with us

[KWhit]

But I can tell you that I was converted in the Ritual room, if that helps. It should narrow down the possible suspects. Maybe.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

lol. And apparently kwhit was just playing with us

Yeah. I was just being dumb.

It was technical difficulties. I have no idea if the shadow tried to communicate with me or not.

It was kind of confusing, because I have never used Yahoo Groups before. I was given a generic email address to use to send messages to the whole group, so I assumed that email was going to be the way we communicated. I sent out a couple of messages, but never received a return email from anyone in my shadow account that Peregrine gave me.

I just learned that I wasn't given access to the group like I was supposed to. So I don't know what I could have found out.

[KWhit]

In my communication from Peregine about being a shadow, I learned nothing beyond what we already know.

I could try to convert others, and the best strategy was up to me. I could reveal myself to the other Shadows if I wanted to, but if they were cleansed they could give my name and bring me down too.

[Mustang]

To bad he wasn't an earlier convert, he could have give another name.

[Barkeep49]

That's a neat balance mechanism to allow communication privately. Well done Peregrine.

[path12]

So worst case scenario we start tomorrow no worse than we started today with three shadow, and hopefully we get some more good info tonight. Main problem I see is that it's pretty much automatic for them to get to three (one converts 100%, two convert 50% which is also foolproof). Unless we either get some failed conversions through protections or get some items that will let us get rid of more than one a day then it's going to be hard to whittle them down.

[Swaggs]

Just got in and caught up. Well done, Brian and Schmidty.

Looking things through, my cleared (by role/know they are not Sun) list going into night 1:
--Me (substitute yourself in, if you will)
--Joe
--Hoops
--Schmidty
--Brian D
--ITC
--KWhit
--Lathum

Reasonably assuming that DT had a reason to stick up and associate himself with CR for now, that semi knocks another two guys off the list.

If I trust DT (and I will for now, since he didn't need to tie himself to someone else tonight), that leaves me looking at these folks going into tonight:
1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
6) Barkeep49
11) Mr. Wednesday
15) Tyrith
16) Path12
17) Alan T
18) SnDvls

[Swaggs]

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I slept in the kitchen and while nothing of interest happened there I can tell you that I know that one of the potentially best roles for the good guys is not in the game.

After reviewing the published roles and magic items, I didn't see how you would have this information one way or another (without really using some imagination). Did this opinion change over the course of the day or are you standing by this?

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight?

Sure. I'm hiding again.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

After reviewing the published roles and magic items, I didn't see how you would have this information one way or another (without really using some imagination). Did this opinion change over the course of the day or are you standing by this?

I was wondering the same thing.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight?

Sure, lets see if someone wants to call my "bluff". I'm planning to sleep in the storage room. Whoever is interested can look me up there.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight?

Keep in mind that even if people do share, there is no way to know for sure where they will stay. Capacity constraints could cause a relocation.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight?

sure same place I stayed last night

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

After reviewing the published roles and magic items, I didn't see how you would have this information one way or another (without really using some imagination). Did this opinion change over the course of the day or are you standing by this?

100% accurate.

[DaddyTorgo]

well that's night action deadline

[Peregrine]

At this point I'm going to call for a replacement of ImTheCrew, he's been very inactive and has said he's tied up with other games.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

At this point I'm going to call for a replacement of ImTheCrew, he's been very inactive and has said he's tied up with other games.

I hate to sound negative but I think people will mentaly check out once they are cleansed

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I hate to sound negative but I think people will mentaly check out once they are cleansed

That's unfortunate.

Cleansed folks can still search/dose/steal (from what I understand) and still prosecute players.

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I hate to sound negative but I think people will mentaly check out once they are cleansed

Well maybe so but that's their loss, you guys have wanted a COT, they're pretty much it.

[Lathum]

I want a damn night result!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I want a damn night result!!

lol

me 2

it should be very good for us

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I hate to sound negative but I think people will mentaly check out once they are cleansed

I'd hope not, they're a critical part of the game. Not least because they provide a check against the Shadow engaging in bloc voting. And as noted, they may still have an impact in terms of night actions.

[DaddyTorgo]

nothin yet hmm? i'm goin to bed. I'll report in my findings tomorrow.

[Mustang]

I'm in the Alchemy room..

[Mustang]

With Colonel Mustard and the candlestick....

[Peregrine]

The night passed peacefully, as you used your various magics and slept. As you woke up, the seer informed you all:

Today's Shadow Count is 2.

[Swaggs]

The Shadow attempted to convert me last night.

My Sun Amulet protected me.

[Schmidty]

Just got my PM.

I wasn't able to "latch onto" the shadow energies tonight.

But I'm alive, which makes me a bit consoled.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I listed the two roles earlier that I felt had any kind of Bodyguard ability, and between the two its only 5 limited guards for the entire game. No one responded or payed attention to that post though and instead decided to make up other things that I said instead.

You mean, sorta like you did with my original posted plan?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

First, I didn't insult you in that post, second I directed it in general that no one commented on it, and evidentally ignored it since you all posted wrong information. Are you trying to stir stuff up again?

Shouldn't someone who misses a deadline because he wasn't paying attention ease up a bit on accusing others of having the wrong information?

[Chief Rum]

Final comment on the AlanT suspicion. I have no problem if you disagree with my plan. I do have a problem if you misrepresent what I say ad nauseum throughout the day. Or you drop accusations like the one about my question about the mundane roles without really explaining why that's a bad idea.

Also, the fact that because you are so certain the plan is a bad idea, I must then be a wolf. Did it ever occur to you we might just disagree on how best to serve the same goal, and that doesn't mean I am automatically a wolf?

I really feel you dropped quite too strongly on me, and on those who supported me. You just blew by DaddyTorgo, who has suggested some ability to have knowledge of people, and as much as said, I'm not the guy you should be looking at (he said it to Swaggs, but the message is there for everyone).

I'm not going to make the same mistake and assume you are Shadow because you disagree with me. In fact, I believe I have knowledge that suggests that as of last night, you are a cultist. A woefully misguided one, but a cultist nonetheless. Stop fighting me and work with me, because between the two of us, you know we can do a lot of good.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Shouldn't someone who misses a deadline because he wasn't paying attention ease up a bit on accusing others of having the wrong information?

No need to be a poo poo butt. And coming from me, that's something.

I missed a deadline too. Shit happens. Don't be an angry peepee head.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

No need to be a poo poo butt. And coming from me, that's something.

I missed a deadline too. Shit happens. Don't be an angry peepee head.

The missing of the deadline itself is no big deal to me, whether by you or him. These things happen to all of us.

What Alan did, though, was akin to missing a deadline because he wasn't paying attention, but then bitching others out because he feels they didn't pay close enough attention.

Accidents happen. That's easy to forgive. Possibly malicious hypocrisy not so much.

If that makes me a peepee head for calling him on it, then there's more to the yellow on my head then the fact I am blond.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

If that makes me a peepee head for calling him on it, then there's more to the yellow on my head then the fact I am blond.

You have just changed my view of the world, I have "known" you for 6 years, and have always imagined you as the Atreyu kid.

I am crushed

For my own sentimental sanity, can you please say "ARTAX!!!!"?

Thanks.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

You have just changed my view of the world, I have "known" you for 6 years, and have always imagined you as the Atreyu kid.

I am crushed

For my own sentimental sanity, can you please say "ARTAX!!!!"?

Thanks.

lol...


ARTAX!!!!

[Chief Rum]

If it's any consolation, it is now more of a dirty blond and will only get darker on its way to a light brown.

Or maybe I'm a poopoo head.

[Joe]

anyone want to share what they found out last night? I have located the holder of the Mask of Whispers. I believe this person to be good, so I won't say who it is. But if there has been any useful communication maybe it can surface.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Final comment on the AlanT suspicion. I have no problem if you disagree with my plan. I do have a problem if you misrepresent what I say ad nauseum throughout the day. Or you drop accusations like the one about my question about the mundane roles without really explaining why that's a bad idea.

Also, the fact that because you are so certain the plan is a bad idea, I must then be a wolf. Did it ever occur to you we might just disagree on how best to serve the same goal, and that doesn't mean I am automatically a wolf?

I really feel you dropped quite too strongly on me, and on those who supported me. You just blew by DaddyTorgo, who has suggested some ability to have knowledge of people, and as much as said, I'm not the guy you should be looking at (he said it to Swaggs, but the message is there for everyone).

I'm not going to make the same mistake and assume you are Shadow because you disagree with me. In fact, I believe I have knowledge that suggests that as of last night, you are a cultist. A woefully misguided one, but a cultist nonetheless. Stop fighting me and work with me, because between the two of us, you know we can do a lot of good.

Maybe its a case of you not being around to discuss the points during the day and then the pile on for in my eyes no reason of me yesterday afternoon that makes a small thing turn into something bigger. Either way, I clearly stated all of the reasons why i felt your ideas were bad, every single one of them, and I gave you the decency to have time to respond to them all (I even stated so in my post) in an effort to draw discussion. You didn't come back to respond though until almost time to leave, dropped one post criticizing me for misrepresenting all of your ideas, not really being open to discussion and then you left. Which in effect did just what you accused me of.

Then several others jump on me without good reasons, made up stories about what I was saying, told half-truths and tried to pick me apart without even touching the things that I was arguing about. That seemed really fishy, very fishy in fact.

For whatever its worth, for my night action, I didn't do anything towards you. I'm open once again today for discussion just like I was yesterday, but the one thing I won't tolerate is people jumping on for no reason. Yes I get critical of others in these games, but I never insult, I never curse and I always keep it civil and you know that. I got critical yesterday of people jumping out of the woodwork yesterday to support me (for what I can tell is no good reason), and I got critical of a few of the people who jumped out to bash me (for what I can tell no good reason). So if you're around today we can debate your ideas more if you would like. I still think though that:

A) Giving the shadow a list of who has mundane abilities to target is bad which is why I cautioned against it when you asked people who had them
B) Purposely voting good guys to cleanse when it brings the shadow closer to the goal without trying to get a hit on a shadow player is also counter-productive. We wouldn't do it in other games, we shouldn't here.

Those were the points that I made yesterday and I still haven't seen anyone give me any reason to feel otherwise. And I still don't have any clue if you are a cultist corrupted by the shadow or not.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Joe

anyone want to share what they found out last night? I have located the holder of the Mask of Whispers. I believe this person to be good, so I won't say who it is. But if there has been any useful communication maybe it can surface.

I didn't learn anything new last night, I still have no items, knowledge of items or anything of the sort. My magical role ability was successful last night I was told, but I guess I don't learn the effects it might have had or what the end result was. I was told that nothing else happened last night. I chose to sleep in the Chamber of Rest, but my PM didnt say anything about it being overbooked or such, so I assume I slept there as planned.

[Alan T]

So starting the discussion of who to target today. We know that Kwhit was converted before we found him yesterday. So the 2 players corrupted by the shadow are the same 2 players that started the game corrupted by the shadow. That means that I will be avoiding players that had some night 1 allibi for today in my vote. It doesn't mean that they aren't influenced by the shadow, but mathematically they have less of a chance in my thoughts of being one.

Night 1 - We know didn't convert Kwhit:

Swaggs
Alan T
Lathum
Hoopsguy
Schmidty

In that list, Hoopsguy obviously has less trust than Lathum or Schmidty or Swaggs as he had an action performed on him vs being the enactor of an action. We also know what roles Swaggs, Schmidty and Lathum are but don't for Hoops. Either way though, Hoops was unable to do an action on night 1, thus he was not the one who converted kwhit. Just like me, it might still mean he or I are a shadow, but we know he didn't do the conversion, so its just less of a chance of him being a shadow among those that are left.

That brings the rest of the list to 1/12 chance of guessing who the person that converted on night 1 was. Today will probably be the best day we have to gain some ground on the shadow as all of our day 1 trust lists remain intact today as well with no gain in the force of the shadow.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs:
Sun Amulet - that would suggest that you could Identify someone without using a Potion of Identify. Yet Joe seemed to imply (or may have come out and said) that you did have this item. So, when you viewed me did you do it with your role or an item? It is a fairly important note in terms of whether or not you know my role and can vouch for it later if/when I reveal it.

Also, it is pretty clear what role Joe has and if he was correct about you having a potion and can clearly identify the holder of the Mask of Whispers then I would not remotely consider him for a shadow vote today. The person with the Mask communicated with me yesterday, so I can validate a statement on the holder of this item if Joe wants to reveal this information.

[DaddyTorgo]

on the train on my way in to work but I hadta hop on and see my night action results.

as I hinted at last night a little and also early in the game...today will be a very good day. you see...I began the game with the ring of shadows. I was not allowed to use it night 1, so I used it last night after our success, hoping to shorten the game.

now afaik the ring cannot lie. it is unfortunately destroyed through its use for this purpose...but in its destruction it revealed TYRITH as Shadow.

Tyrith is our 2nd Shadow gentleman.

VOTE TYRITH
VOTE PUNISHMENT