Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 - Page 11

KWhit · 07-07-2009, 04:29 PM

What's the argument against PB?

PurdueBrad · 07-07-2009, 04:31 PM

After seeing the votes of Jackal and EF I've decided that all of Philadelphia is apparently part of the conspriacy!

I'm just catching up but should be around all evening as we've stopped in Franklin County, Indiana.

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 04:33 PM

oh that's right - PB has been driving all day. no wonder he hasn't been around.

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 04:35 PM

Question - is anybody out there a programmer?

The Jackal · 07-07-2009, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

After seeing the votes of Jackal and EF I've decided that all of Philadelphia is apparently part of the conspriacy!

I'm just catching up but should be around all evening as we've stopped in Franklin County, Indiana.

You realize I don't live in Philly, right? And do you want for me to re-vote you?

Autumn · 07-07-2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

What's the argument against PB?

I don't even know how the votes on him started. I'm voting him simply becuase he was "the other viable candidate". I'm fine with a new candidate being introduced. Perhaps one of the quiet folks, scare up some more participation.

PurdueBrad · 07-07-2009, 04:40 PM

Wow, just saw the moves on me. I'm going to move to one of the other two main candidates (saw moves off of ntn, did I miss a reason?). I'm not conspriacy and I threw my joke out more as a move not to miss putting in a vote in case something happened. Alright,

unvote my friend The Jackal

PurdueBrad · 07-07-2009, 04:41 PM

In case the question was hidden in my above post,

Why did people move off of ntn? Trying to figure out where to throw my self-defense vote.

Autumn · 07-07-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

In case the question was hidden in my above post,

Why did people move off of ntn? Trying to figure out where to throw my self-defense vote.

I think it just started to look like a runaway, and he also came and posted, where the main reason for votes had been him being quiet.

Tyrith · 07-07-2009, 04:44 PM

So we keep piling on people that aren't here. I don't particularly understand what ntn did as being a good reason to take the foot off his chest, given the reasons people gave. Three day 1 posts does not change future actions so much. I refrained from doing this before, but that's just too much - let's be realistic.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE NTNDEACON

ISiddiqui · 07-07-2009, 04:46 PM

Also, DT unvoted ntn after it seemed like a runaway and ntn came and posted. So the combination.

JAG · 07-07-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't even know how the votes on him started. I'm voting him simply becuase he was "the other viable candidate". I'm fine with a new candidate being introduced. Perhaps one of the quiet folks, scare up some more participation.

It certainly worked for ntn, no? The votes on PB started when DT requested people look to voting ntn, PB, or BrianD instead of The Jackal because ntn had been quiet and because he didn't have a read on PB / BrianD.

PB, people moved off ntn because he started participating more, which was the strike people were using to vote him initially.

PurdueBrad · 07-07-2009, 04:47 PM

This'll teach me for lynching quiet people on day 1's since today and tomorrow I am one of them. But, in self-defense, I'll

vote ntn

PurdueBrad · 07-07-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I threw my vote out more as a move not to miss putting in a vote in case something happened.

Fixed my above post. Off to grab a bite to eat and maybe hit the pool. Be back in an hour or so.

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 04:58 PM

okay i'm heading out in a minute here. I've sent off a couple PM's...I have a couple more I wanted to give more thought to to respond to when I get home. I should be around from between 7:30-8pm EST to deadline.

Danny · 07-07-2009, 05:16 PM

I'll be gone for about an hour, but will be back. Still undecided on where to put my vote.

The Jackal · 07-07-2009, 05:23 PM

Heads up, going to dinner around 6 and then seeing public enemies at 740, so I'll be here until dinner and then whenever I get back from the movie.

JAG · 07-07-2009, 05:23 PM

As of Post 520

7 - ntndeacon: JAG (332, 8:31 AM), The Jackal (374, 10:26 AM), KWhit (390, 10:45 AM), kingfc22 (425, 12:22 PM), Thomkal (441, 1:42 PM), Tyrith (514, 3:44 PM), PurdueBrad (517, 3:47 PM)
6 - PurdueBrad: EagleFan (334, 8:59 AM), Telle (411, 11:51 AM), BrianD (443, 1:43 PM), Autumn (459, 2:08 PM), ISiddiqui (471, 2:24 PM), saldana (501, 3:22 PM)
2 - KWhit: ntndeacon (475, 2:30 PM), nfg22 (482, 2:39 PM)
1 - The Jackal: claphamsa (453, 1:55 PM)
1 - BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23 AM)

Yet to vote: Danny, Schmidty, Chief Rum, henry296, DaddyTorgo, AlanT, path12

By %:

PurdueBrad: 29%
ntndeacon: 25%
The Jackal: 8%
KWhit: 8%
BrianD: 4%

I'm out for a while.

JAG · 07-07-2009, 05:24 PM

Jackal % should be 4, not 8.

nfg22 · 07-07-2009, 05:26 PM

my question...we have alot of inactivity as shown by the no votes. I dont remember some of those peopleposting much. Why? Also we need votes from everyone. My suspicion is starting to be cast at Schmidty, CR, and Henry...

Autumn · 07-07-2009, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22

my question...we have alot of inactivity as shown by the no votes. I dont remember some of those peopleposting much. Why? Also we need votes from everyone. My suspicion is starting to be cast at Schmidty, CR, and Henry...

I agree there's a lot of quietness so far. I'm fine going after quiet people as it usually gets them out of the woodwork. I don't expect everyone to have voted at this point though.

I'm sure some of these poeple posted schedules and excuses. I should start noting those things so we don't chase someone with a good reason to be quiet.

The Jackal · 07-07-2009, 05:38 PM

Schmidty has popped in a few times and said this is the only day he'd be inactive. I can't speak to the other two aside from knowing that CR can only post at certain times of day (and I believe that's usually in the morning and late at night, EST at least). And henry hasn't been around in a while, so I don't know what his deal is.

Poli · 07-07-2009, 05:43 PM

Beep, beep, beep...

nfg22 · 07-07-2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I agree there's a lot of quietness so far. I'm fine going after quiet people as it usually gets them out of the woodwork. I don't expect everyone to have voted at this point though.

I'm sure some of these poeple posted schedules and excuses. I should start noting those things so we don't chase someone with a good reason to be quiet.

I certainly understand people have reasons. To be fair, the next day starts in four hours...So they still have four hours to post. I just wanted to note that I had suspicion on a few.

nfg22 · 07-07-2009, 05:59 PM

So far I think Poli has played masterfully. I really would have never guessed his role.

Schmidty · 07-07-2009, 06:13 PM

Wow. I have a lot of catching up to do.

Barkeep49 · 07-07-2009, 06:20 PM

Heads-up:
I'm currently the mod on call, as hoops lives his life. From approximately 7-8:45 I will only be able to check sporadically (as opposed to refreshing every 2 minutes like I do a lot of the time). That includes much of the known time period. If the required % is reached, the lynch will occur at that point whether I am present in the thread to call it immediately or not.

Tyrith · 07-07-2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22

I certainly understand people have reasons. To be fair, the next day starts in four hours...So they still have four hours to post. I just wanted to note that I had suspicion on a few.

There really is no next day, though. Everyone's abilities are on their own timers. This game can't be broken up into time chunks in advance, only retroactively.

kingfc22 · 07-07-2009, 06:27 PM

Here's what I have so far:

Eaglefan 1 – BrianD (292)
Path 1 – nfg22 (305)
Jackal 1 – PB (328)
BrianD 1 – Pass (330)
Ntn 1 – Jag (332)
PB 1 – Eaglefan (334)
Jackal 2 – Saldana (343)
Path 2 – Tyrith (347)
UNVOTE Eaglefan 0 – BrianD (358)
Ntn 2 – Path (360)
PB 2 – Jackal (366)
Jackal 3 – Brian D (370)
Ntn 3 – Daddy Torgo (371)
UNVOTE PB 1 – Jackal (374)
Ntn 4 – Jackal (374)
UNVOTE Path 1 – Tyrith (388)
Jackal 4 – Tyrith (388)
Ntn 5 – Alan (389)
Ntn 6 – Kwhit (390)
Jackal 5 – Telle (391)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – Telle (411)>>
PB 2 – Telle (411)
Ntn 7 – Kingfc (425)
Jackal 5 – Ntn (431)
UNVOTE path 0 – nfg22 (439)
Ntn 8 – nfg22 (439)
Ntn 9 – Thomkal (441)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – BrianD (443)
PB 3 – BrianD (443)
Jackal 5 – claphamsa (453)
PB 4 – Autumn (459)
UNVOTE ntn 8 – Daddy Torgo (463)
PB 5 – Isiddiqui (471)
UNVOTE ntn 7 – Alan (474)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – ntn (475)
Kwhit 1 – ntn (475)
UNVOTE ntn 6 – nfg22 (482)
Kwhit 2 – nfg22 (482)
UNVOTE ntn 5 – path (496)
UNVOTE Jackal 3 – saldana (501)
PB 6 – saldana (501)
UNVOTE Jackal 2 – PB (511)
UNVOTE Jackal 1 – Tyrith (514)
Ntn 6 – Tyrith (514)
Ntn 7 – PB 517)

PurdueBrad · 07-07-2009, 06:41 PM

I would prefer not to die but I'm also not of supreme value to the village so it's not a big loss. I know that isn't a great defense but I guess it doesn't crush us to kill me off.

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Question - is anybody out there a programmer?

BUMPING THIS IMPORTANT QUESTION

Passacaglia · 07-07-2009, 06:44 PM

So...is there any benefit to getting a lynch early? Not that I'm saying we should in this case, I'm just wondering if we really care about it. IMO, it seems like it will only come up in a case where we would want to vote nightfall anyway.

Schmidty · 07-07-2009, 06:48 PM

Ok. Done reading.

As usual on Day 1, there's no good reason to vote for anyone, other than to get discussion going and to make sure there isn't a no-vote; therefore, I'm going to vote for a leading candidate to move things forward. Absolutely no real reason for this vote, although he came on defending himself aggrsively, which I don't remember before. Of course, most people including me, would be aggressively defending themselves too.

Vote ntndeacon

Schmidty · 07-07-2009, 06:50 PM

Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure.

Alan T · 07-07-2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure.

4 per 24 hours is my understanding. So after you send all four, I assume you can send your next one 24 hours after your first one..

Or maybe it is every 24 hours you get all 4 back?

I think the former though

PurdueBrad · 07-07-2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure.

I think we get 4 per day but I'm not 100% on that.

Passacaglia · 07-07-2009, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Additional Notes: all characters begin the game with the ability to sent up to four PMs per day to anyone in the game. This is in addition to any role-specific PM abilities (Conspiracy members can PM each other freely, for example). The moderators must be included on all PMs. Players are on the honor system to not send PMs above and beyond the set limit. Please do not forward the initial role PMs when exchanging PMs with other players.

4 per day.

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 06:54 PM

ok - no one's coming forward to answer my question...

Barkeep49 · 07-07-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure.

4 per 24 hour period. So if you sent your messages at 1 PM 3 PM 4 PM and 11 AM the next day you would get another message 24 hours after your first PM.

Tyrith · 07-07-2009, 06:59 PM

It's 4 within any 24 hour period. There are no predetermined points where your abilities refresh, it's all from a point in time when you use them.

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 07:02 PM

ok...i'm seriously pondering going in a completely different direction with my vote...

path12 · 07-07-2009, 07:03 PM

I've got to head out and won't be back for awhile. I don't know the percentages offhand but in the spirit of keeping it close:

VOTE PURDUE BRAD

JAG · 07-07-2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296

A couple of thoughts on the discussion of the day.

1. Character reveal - doesn't matter either way since it doesn't tell me anything.
2. PMs - A great concept, but as I think Alan T mentioned we really only get 2 people to talk to since we likely will need to reply. As a villager I probably wouldn't talk strategy but would like to try to get info on roles, but be very careful in the first few days if not avoid the PMs because the risk is too high.
3. My availabilty - I mentioned this when I signed up, but I have no access during the day. I have no board or e-mail access until about 8:30 PM each night. I will contribute at night, as respond at that time.

This is the longest day zero ever and wish we could get started now.

This is from henry on page 6 for what it's worth.

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 07:05 PM

very very interesting

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 07:05 PM

okay - based on that i'm not voting henry. that's cool.

kingfc22 · 07-07-2009, 07:06 PM

I'm off and won't be back for a few hours.

I'll update my vote history when I return.

Passacaglia · 07-07-2009, 07:07 PM

I don't envy him trying to come in and figure out what's going on in only half an hour. Today might not be so bad, but I have a feeling it won't be so easy as we get further into the game.

DaddyTorgo · 07-07-2009, 07:09 PM

interesting - i have 2 people claiming functionally similar roles (slightly different triggers).

also have one person claiming a role looking for programmers (hence my question) and yet i have not heard (via PM) of any other programmers in the game...

Alan T · 07-07-2009, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't envy him trying to come in and figure out what's going on in only half an hour. Today might not be so bad, but I have a feeling it won't be so easy as we get further into the game.

I was under the impression that it is not a case of him having to catch up in half an hour. I thought with no deadline, it was a rolling clock right?

At least that was my assumption. I'm trying to catch up on stuff I skimmed through earlier today and didn't feel any pressure to try to hurry at least?

Alan T · 07-07-2009, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

interesting - i have 2 people claiming functionally similar roles (slightly different triggers).

also have one person claiming a role looking for programmers (hence my question) and yet i have not heard (via PM) of any other programmers in the game...

Oh heh.. I thought you meant a real programmer, as if you had a computer application problem. Well I'm not a programmer here either.

07-07-2009, 04:33 PM	#503
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	oh that's right - PB has been driving all day. no wonder he hasn't been around. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-07-2009, 04:35 PM	#504
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Question - is anybody out there a programmer? __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-07-2009, 04:46 PM	#511
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Also, DT unvoted ntn after it seemed like a runaway and ntn came and posted. So the combination. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-07-2009, 04:58 PM	#515
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	okay i'm heading out in a minute here. I've sent off a couple PM's...I have a couple more I wanted to give more thought to to respond to when I get home. I should be around from between 7:30-8pm EST to deadline. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-07-2009, 05:43 PM	#523
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Beep, beep, beep... __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-07-2009, 04:29 PM	#501
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	What's the argument against PB?

07-07-2009, 04:44 PM	#510
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	So we keep piling on people that aren't here. I don't particularly understand what ntn did as being a good reason to take the foot off his chest, given the reasons people gave. Three day 1 posts does not change future actions so much. I refrained from doing this before, but that's just too much - let's be realistic. UNVOTE THE JACKAL VOTE NTNDEACON

07-07-2009, 05:16 PM	#516
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'll be gone for about an hour, but will be back. Still undecided on where to put my vote.

07-07-2009, 05:23 PM	#517
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Heads up, going to dinner around 6 and then seeing public enemies at 740, so I'll be here until dinner and then whenever I get back from the movie.

07-07-2009, 05:24 PM	#519
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Jackal % should be 4, not 8.

07-07-2009, 05:26 PM	#520
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	my question...we have alot of inactivity as shown by the no votes. I dont remember some of those peopleposting much. Why? Also we need votes from everyone. My suspicion is starting to be cast at Schmidty, CR, and Henry...

07-07-2009, 05:38 PM	#522
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Schmidty has popped in a few times and said this is the only day he'd be inactive. I can't speak to the other two aside from knowing that CR can only post at certain times of day (and I believe that's usually in the morning and late at night, EST at least). And henry hasn't been around in a while, so I don't know what his deal is.

07-07-2009, 05:59 PM	#525
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	So far I think Poli has played masterfully. I really would have never guessed his role.

07-07-2009, 06:13 PM	#526
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Wow. I have a lot of catching up to do. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-07-2009, 06:20 PM	#527
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Heads-up: I'm currently the mod on call, as hoops lives his life. From approximately 7-8:45 I will only be able to check sporadically (as opposed to refreshing every 2 minutes like I do a lot of the time). That includes much of the known time period. If the required % is reached, the lynch will occur at that point whether I am present in the thread to call it immediately or not.

07-07-2009, 06:27 PM	#529
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Here's what I have so far: Eaglefan 1 – BrianD (292) Path 1 – nfg22 (305) Jackal 1 – PB (328) BrianD 1 – Pass (330) Ntn 1 – Jag (332) PB 1 – Eaglefan (334) Jackal 2 – Saldana (343) Path 2 – Tyrith (347) UNVOTE Eaglefan 0 – BrianD (358) Ntn 2 – Path (360) PB 2 – Jackal (366) Jackal 3 – Brian D (370) Ntn 3 – Daddy Torgo (371) UNVOTE PB 1 – Jackal (374) Ntn 4 – Jackal (374) UNVOTE Path 1 – Tyrith (388) Jackal 4 – Tyrith (388) Ntn 5 – Alan (389) Ntn 6 – Kwhit (390) Jackal 5 – Telle (391) UNVOTE Jackal 4 – Telle (411)>> PB 2 – Telle (411) Ntn 7 – Kingfc (425) Jackal 5 – Ntn (431) UNVOTE path 0 – nfg22 (439) Ntn 8 – nfg22 (439) Ntn 9 – Thomkal (441) UNVOTE Jackal 4 – BrianD (443) PB 3 – BrianD (443) Jackal 5 – claphamsa (453) PB 4 – Autumn (459) UNVOTE ntn 8 – Daddy Torgo (463) PB 5 – Isiddiqui (471) UNVOTE ntn 7 – Alan (474) UNVOTE Jackal 4 – ntn (475) Kwhit 1 – ntn (475) UNVOTE ntn 6 – nfg22 (482) Kwhit 2 – nfg22 (482) UNVOTE ntn 5 – path (496) UNVOTE Jackal 3 – saldana (501) PB 6 – saldana (501) UNVOTE Jackal 2 – PB (511) UNVOTE Jackal 1 – Tyrith (514) Ntn 6 – Tyrith (514) Ntn 7 – PB 517) __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-07-2009, 06:44 PM	#532
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	So...is there any benefit to getting a lynch early? Not that I'm saying we should in this case, I'm just wondering if we really care about it. IMO, it seems like it will only come up in a case where we would want to vote nightfall anyway.

07-07-2009, 06:48 PM	#533
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Ok. Done reading. As usual on Day 1, there's no good reason to vote for anyone, other than to get discussion going and to make sure there isn't a no-vote; therefore, I'm going to vote for a leading candidate to move things forward. Absolutely no real reason for this vote, although he came on defending himself aggrsively, which I don't remember before. Of course, most people including me, would be aggressively defending themselves too. Vote ntndeacon __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-07-2009, 06:50 PM	#534
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Quick question: Do we only get 4 total PMs, or does it ever refresh? I'm assuming it's 4 total, but I wanted to make sure. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-07-2009, 06:54 PM	#538
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ok - no one's coming forward to answer my question... __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-07-2009, 06:59 PM	#540
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	It's 4 within any 24 hour period. There are no predetermined points where your abilities refresh, it's all from a point in time when you use them.

07-07-2009, 07:02 PM	#541
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ok...i'm seriously pondering going in a completely different direction with my vote... __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-07-2009, 07:03 PM	#542
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I've got to head out and won't be back for awhile. I don't know the percentages offhand but in the spirit of keeping it close: VOTE PURDUE BRAD __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-07-2009, 07:05 PM	#544
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	very very interesting __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-07-2009, 07:05 PM	#545
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	okay - based on that i'm not voting henry. that's cool. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-07-2009, 07:06 PM	#546
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I'm off and won't be back for a few hours. I'll update my vote history when I return. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-07-2009, 07:07 PM	#547
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I don't envy him trying to come in and figure out what's going on in only half an hour. Today might not be so bad, but I have a feeling it won't be so easy as we get further into the game.

07-07-2009, 07:09 PM	#548
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	interesting - i have 2 people claiming functionally similar roles (slightly different triggers). also have one person claiming a role looking for programmers (hence my question) and yet i have not heard (via PM) of any other programmers in the game... __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

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