2011-12 MLB Offseason Thread: Tigers are really stupid - Page 11

SackAttack · 12-01-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

I have no words here. This is when Red Sox fans have become Yankee fans.

Seriously. Since when does missing the playoffs for "a year or two" count as enduring anything?

Somebody should re-educate him as a Pirates fan.

Chief Rum · 12-01-2011, 02:11 PM

Point against Iannetta deal: awful home/away splits last year, although I thought the whole humidifier thing had turned Coors Field into just a moderate hitter's park.

molson · 12-01-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Seriously. Since when does missing the playoffs for "a year or two" count as enduring anything?

Somebody should re-educate him as a Pirates fan.

Isn't it really relative though? 7-5 might be a decent season for Syracuse football but I'm pretty sure the LSU or Alabama fanbases would be pretty horrified with that. If it was multiple 5 or 6 loss seasons - no LSU or 'Bama coach would survive, most of the fan base would be pissed off.

I'm not sure its fair to ask Red Sox fans, the media, or the ownership to be satisfied with a .500 record or whatever. You are going to have higher expectations and higher thresholds for "acceptable" if you have advantages like higher ability to play players (which is of course true for the Red Sox, LSU and Alabama).

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-01-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I'm not sure its fair to ask Red Sox fans, the media, or the ownership to be satisfied with a .500 record or whatever. You are going to have higher expectations and higher thresholds for "acceptable" if you have advantages like higher ability to play players (which is of course true for the Red Sox, LSU and Alabama).

The Red Sox won 90 games and it took historically terrible Aprils and Septembers to keep them out of the playoffs.

molson · 12-01-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

The Red Sox won 90 games and it took historically terrible Aprils and Septembers to keep them out of the playoffs.

What's your point, that it was a great season? Or a good season? Or that fans should be happy with the season? I'm one of the forgiving sports fans out there when it comes to my teams, refs, league management, whatever, and I hate the negativity about everything in sports, like the "anything short of a championship season is a failure" mindset, and I still think the Red Sox crapped the bed in 2011.

I think with the state of current MLB economics the line is pretty clear for the Red Sox - if they don't make the playoffs, its a bad year for them. If they barely make the playoffs, or blow a huge lead and just back in (as easily could have happened this year), it's marginally better. So I don't think a Red Sox fan is being overly negative by being disappointed with this team, even though they had a winning record, is all I'm saying. Expectations can fairly be different for a Red Sox fan than for a Pirate fan. I was responding to a posts that made it sound like having any difference in expectations is somehow being obnoxious, or whatever.

ISiddiqui · 12-01-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

You are going to have higher expectations and higher thresholds for "acceptable" if you have advantages like higher ability to play players (which is of course true for the Red Sox, LSU and Alabama).

Which is true also for... the Yankees. And heretofore, in baseball, only true for the Yankees.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-01-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

What's your point, that it was a great season? Or a good season? Or that fans should be happy with the season?

That the Red Sox did not finish .500, and that this team is not in need of a major overhaul to compete next year.

molson · 12-01-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

That the Red Sox did not finish .500, and that this team is not in need of a major overhaul to compete next year.

I was responding to the criticism of being disappointing with not being in the playoffs for two years. It's not an uncommon criticism.

Edit: I mean, they're not the worst team ever, obviously. But neither would be a 7-5 LSU team. And Maybe LSU fans are considered obnoxious, I have no idea, but I doubt they'd be called out by Vanderbilt fans for being disappointed. Why should LSU have the same expectations as Vanderbilt?

molson · 12-01-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Which is true also for... the Yankees. And heretofore, in baseball, only true for the Yankees.

I think the Phillies fans would have been disappointed if they didn't make the playoffs.

lungs · 12-01-2011, 03:02 PM

Hell, Brewer fans expected the playoffs this year.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-01-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I was responding to the criticism of being disappointing with not being in the playoffs for two years. It's not an uncommon criticism.

Edit: I mean, they're not the worst team ever, obviously. But neither would be a 7-5 LSU team. And Maybe LSU fans are considered obnoxious, I have no idea, but I doubt they'd be called out by Vanderbilt fans for being disappointed. Why should LSU have the same expectations as Vanderbilt?

I see a 90-win Red Sox team to be more like a 9/10 win LSU team, personally. Almost to the goal (95 wins). And that they didn't get there was pretty spectacular.

I was responding to you in particular because of the .500 team thing, but this also goes into DT's "throw them all away" haranguing.

molson · 12-01-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I see a 90-win Red Sox team to be more like a 9/10 win LSU team, personally. Almost to the goal (95 wins). And that they didn't get there was pretty spectacular.

I was responding to you in particular because of the .500 team thing, but this also goes into DT's "throw them all away" haranguing.

I think too the media and fan reaction would have been a lot different if it was 90 wins acquired in a more conventional way, if they just missed out by a game. There would still be disappointment, but not quite like this.

Maybe there's nothing at all to the awful start and awful finish except for random distribution and we should just look at the 90 wins and not how they got them. But obviously, that's not how the fans and media are looking at it, and I lean towards them being right on that, where we have evidence of discipline and conditioning issues. I know we can't quantify the human element very well, but that it doesn't mean it doesn't exist - especially in obviously tangible ways like conditioning, preparation, effort, discipline.

Edit: And I'm not just talking about fried chicken and beer (which I could care less about), but stuff like Josh Beckett getting visibly fatter as the season went on, especially on his DL stints, and then he's terrible in his last few starts. Could be a coincidence, might not be though.

molson · 12-01-2011, 03:28 PM

Dola- And there was the whole late-August/early-September emergency team meeting after a blowout win against Toronto, before things imploded, which was called because Francona was deeply concerned about "something" with the clubhouse culture - we never found out exactly what. Pretty much immediately thereafter we have the biggest late-season collapse for a contender in baseball history.

"90 wins" simplifies things - there are elements here that, legitimately, I think, pissed off fans. It's legitimate, even if they still won way more games than Pittsburgh or Kansas City.

DaddyTorgo · 12-01-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

I have no words here. This is when Red Sox fans have become Yankee fans.

Why's that?

molson · 12-01-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I see a 90-win Red Sox team to be more like a 9/10 win LSU team, personally. Almost to the goal (95 wins). And that they didn't get there was pretty spectacular.

Thinking about it again, I'd say its more like an LSU team that lost its first game against some non-BCS school, and there's rumblings about lack of spring preparation. Then they go on an incredible 8 game win streak, destroying everyone, looking like the best team in the country. Then when they only need one more win to get to the SEC Championship game, and potentially a BCS Championship game, they lose 47-3 to Georgia Tech, and then 38-7 to Kentucky, in the midst of swirling rumors about players taking it easy and tuning out coaches. LSU nation would be PISSED.

stevew · 12-01-2011, 11:10 PM

Heath Bell to the Miami Marlins

ISiddiqui · 12-01-2011, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Thinking about it again, I'd say its more like an LSU team that lost its first game against some non-BCS school, and there's rumblings about lack of spring preparation. Then they go on an incredible 8 game win streak, destroying everyone, looking like the best team in the country. Then when they only need one more win to get to the SEC Championship game, and potentially a BCS Championship game, they lose 47-3 to Georgia Tech, and then 38-7 to Kentucky, in the midst of swirling rumors about players taking it easy and tuning out coaches. LSU nation would be PISSED.

And then think of someone who said "I'd even take 2-3 years of being 9-3 or 10-2 to right the ship" - you don't think people would be looking at them and wondering WTF?

Oh, and FWIW, yes, LSU fans are considered to be fairly obnoxious.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-02-2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And then think of someone who said "I'd even take 2-3 years of being 9-3 or 10-2 to right the ship" - you don't think people would be looking at them and wondering WTF?

Hmm ... maybe not the best example/parable/parallel there.

I mean, understand why both UGA and UT feel like 9-3 is a so-so year, certainly nothing that you should be celebrating. I imagine that LSU folks kind of feel the same way about one if it happens now.

ISiddiqui · 12-02-2011, 08:50 AM

But that's not the actual point. Yeah, a 9-3 season would be disappointing, but imagine an fan SAYING, yeah I'd take a few 9-3, 10-2 seasons just so we could fix the program. As if that's the worst case scenario but they could stomach it.

DaddyTorgo · 12-02-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

But that's not the actual point. Yeah, a 9-3 season would be disappointing, but imagine an fan SAYING, yeah I'd take a few 9-3, 10-2 seasons just so we could fix the program. As if that's the worst case scenario but they could stomach it.

I'm sorry my high expectations are so upsetting to folks. I had no idea it'd even be a point of discussion.

DanGarion · 12-02-2011, 11:04 AM

Isn't this the baseball thread?

Passacaglia · 12-02-2011, 11:18 AM

Pretty sure it's the thread police thread.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-02-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I had no idea it'd even be a point of discussion.

You're forgiven, I wouldn't have expected it to be problematic either frankly.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-02-2011, 11:21 AM

If you aren't interested in people discussing your Whiner-line level thoughts on the team, why post them?

DanGarion · 12-02-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Pretty sure it's the thread police thread.

I'm just saying, I come into the thread expecting talk about baseball and there are all these posts about teams being 9-3.

DaddyTorgo · 12-02-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

If you aren't interested in people discussing your Whiner-line level thoughts on the team, why post them?

That's hardly a fair characterization of it.

gstelmack · 12-02-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I'm just saying, I come into the thread expecting talk about baseball and there are all these posts about teams being 9-3.

Well, back in April we were posting about an 0-9 team...

sterlingice · 12-02-2011, 01:31 PM

I'm a bit late to last week's party, but...

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Originally Posted by Logan

Good for DeJesus, a Rutgers grad and Manalapan, NJ kid.

Big fan of his with KC. I'll still wear his jersey to games on occasion.

SI

sterlingice · 12-02-2011, 01:36 PM

And GMDM follows up a good move (Cabrera for Sanchez) with a couple of "meh" moves: resigning Bruce Chen to a 2 year deal (blech- too long) and signing Jonathan Broxton (the bullpen is already pretty deep and young but whatever).

I don't see where we get another starting pitcher so I think it's Sanchez, Chen, Hochevar, Paulino, Duffy, and some mess of young fluff that rotates in and out of those last 3 spots depending on how those guys do.

SI

Ksyrup · 12-02-2011, 02:57 PM

Headlines that pretty much sum up the divide:

Marlins get proven leader in Heath Bell - The GM's Office by Jim Bowden Blog - ESPN

MLB - Miami Marlins make mistake with Heath Bell - ESPN (Keith Law)

sterlingice · 12-02-2011, 03:05 PM

I guess the former Royals now known as Juan Oviedo wasn't cutting it

SI

TRO · 12-02-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

And GMDM follows up a good move (Cabrera for Sanchez) with a couple of "meh" moves: resigning Bruce Chen to a 2 year deal (blech- too long) and signing Jonathan Broxton (the bullpen is already pretty deep and young but whatever).

I don't see where we get another starting pitcher so I think it's Sanchez, Chen, Hochevar, Paulino, Duffy, and some mess of young fluff that rotates in and out of those last 3 spots depending on how those guys do.

SI

"Meh" describes it well.

I'm glad to have Chen back. He's consistent and a good team mate. Just keep him at the back of the rotation and I'm happy. As for 2 years being too long - ok, maybe, but it's not like he got a 3-5 year deal.

Broxton - I like picking him up. You can never have enough depth and we've been pretty good at flipping relievers at the break. That said, I'm scared at what the move may lead to. IE, Soria or Holland on the market.

JPhillips · 12-03-2011, 09:00 AM

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The Security and Exchange Commission on Thursday launched guided warheads at the Marlins, requesting the team’s financial records, communications with MLB officials including commissioner Bud Selig, minutes of meetings with local government leaders and political campaign-contribution information, according to a report in the Miami Herald.

While the subpoenas issued by the SEC do not explicitly detail the purpose of the investigation, the feds’ motives are evident: They want to understand how, exactly, a group of county commissioners agreed to fund 80 percent of the Marlins new stadium, which cost more than $600 million, without ever seeing the team’s financial records – and whether bribes had anything to do with it.

The building of stadiums for rich owners is a total racket.

DeToxRox · 12-03-2011, 02:14 PM

Morosi says:

#Yankees, #Tigers and #Marlins have been most interested clubs in Yoenis Cespedes, according to an exec familiar with international market.

Not sure how I feel about that. I love the idea of what Cespedes could become, but he is already 26 (if not older) and Keith Law compared his Cuban league to A ball. There is a ton of risk for the $50 mil it could take to sign him.

DeToxRox · 12-04-2011, 09:50 PM

Olney reporting that Jose Reyes has agreed to a deal with the Marlins. Places are saying 6 yrs/111 mil. Good luck with that one Miami.

DeToxRox · 12-04-2011, 09:55 PM

The Marlins and Reyes have agreed to a six-year, $106MM deal, pending a physical, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

jbergey22 · 12-04-2011, 09:59 PM

Interesting! So what does this mean for Hanley?

dawgfan · 12-04-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

The Marlins and Reyes have agreed to a six-year, $106MM deal, pending a physical, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

Length of the deal might bite them in the butt, but at least in the short term I'd expect Florida to get their money's worth (if not more) out of it.

DeToxRox · 12-04-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Interesting! So what does this mean for Hanley?

I've read reports Hanley refuses to change positions. I'd assume he'd move to CF or 3B but who knows.

Lathum · 12-04-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

The Marlins and Reyes have agreed to a six-year, $106MM deal, pending a physical, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

Good riddance. The Marlins are going to end up getting bitten in the ass by this deal. I'm glad the Mets didn't give out yet another bad contract in a long history.

DeToxRox · 12-04-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

Length of the deal might bite them in the butt, but at least in the short term I'd expect Florida to get their money's worth (if not more) out of it.

Giving out that kind of money to a guy pushing 30 who's entire game is basically revolved around his legs is scary to me. I get why they did it though, but it seems weird to give him 6 years when there didn't seem to be any significant threats assuming the Mets didn't go bonkers itself.

Atocep · 12-04-2011, 10:16 PM

He wasn't getting much interest on the market. The Mets offered him 5 years and $80 million and weren't going to improve the offer. The fact that Alderson offered that much is surprising considering he was given the green light to completely rebuild.

Reyes and Hanley on the same team is going to be a handful for Guillen. The Mets coddled Reyes for far too long and had to deal with the attitude they helped create. Great player for 120 or so games per year but he's a pain in the ass.

ISiddiqui · 12-04-2011, 10:35 PM

This seems like an overpay to make a splash deal. Showing that the bank is open?

I do think it'll be interesting to see which positions are played. Maybe Reyes can play 2B?

bhlloy · 12-04-2011, 10:39 PM

I can't see this ending in anything other than something we look back on and say "and that's why the Marlins ended up sucking for the next decade"

I guess I'm only surprised it wasn't the Mets that didn't do it first. Nice to see them responsible with the contract ink for once.

DeToxRox · 12-04-2011, 10:41 PM

The kicker for the Marlins would be signing C.J Wilson as well. Just not a fan of his, especially for the price it'll cost.

korme · 12-04-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

This seems like an overpay to make a splash deal. Showing that the bank is open?

I do think it'll be interesting to see which positions are played. Maybe Reyes can play 2B?

Reyes will play SS. Better than even odds Ramirez will play 3B. Was graded out as a star outfielder when scouted and signed by Boston, and they need a CF. Also a chance they could trade Hanley as well, but he's done with his days playing SS in Miami

JPhillips · 12-04-2011, 10:44 PM

I don't hate it as much as everyone else. The last two or three years may be bad, but they'll probably be underpaying his value for the first two or three years. Even with the games missed this year he was still almost 6 WAR. If he gives them a couple of years of that it won't be a terrible deal.

DeToxRox · 12-04-2011, 10:47 PM

Excited for the Winter Meeting's to start. I expect something big to happen since it always does. Tigers are usually very active at them so I could see them making a deal though I imagine it'd be a minor one.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-04-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

Also a chance they could trade Hanley as well

That would seem like the smart move to me ... which means it probably won't happen of course

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ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	But that's not the actual point. Yeah, a 9-3 season would be disappointing, but imagine an fan SAYING, yeah I'd take a few 9-3, 10-2 seasons just so we could fix the program. As if that's the worst case scenario but they could stomach it. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	And GMDM follows up a good move (Cabrera for Sanchez) with a couple of "meh" moves: resigning Bruce Chen to a 2 year deal (blech- too long) and signing Jonathan Broxton (the bullpen is already pretty deep and young but whatever). I don't see where we get another starting pitcher so I think it's Sanchez, Chen, Hochevar, Paulino, Duffy, and some mess of young fluff that rotates in and out of those last 3 spots depending on how those guys do. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Morosi says: #Yankees, #Tigers and #Marlins have been most interested clubs in Yoenis Cespedes, according to an exec familiar with international market. Not sure how I feel about that. I love the idea of what Cespedes could become, but he is already 26 (if not older) and Keith Law compared his Cuban league to A ball. There is a ton of risk for the $50 mil it could take to sign him.

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