Werewolf CLXVI - The Drenai Saga (GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS!)

[The Jackal]

Vote Count (as of post 498):

4 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387), fontisian (432), timmae (497)
3 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354), Chief Rum (401)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), cheekimonk (417), JAG (465)
3 - Suicane75 - britrock88 (331), Grover (344), EagleFan (481)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (478)

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Zinto

You are much more aggressive than I remember Font.

I remember an aggressive font being a good font.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by timmae

If we go raven and he's village is font next then? Need help here..

Looks like 50% or more chance I'm gone, and I'm a villager.
Good luck all!

[JAG]

Unvote Grover
Vote Raven

Let's reduce shenanigan possibilities.

[Raven]

I could switch to Grover to tie it up but I won't. I'm a villager.

[cheekimonk]

Just to break the tension, this game reminds me of a tweet from a friend: If someone says, "Hey, I'm only human," look at them sideways and say, "That sure does sound like something a robot would say..."

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Also, this is gross. I am waiting for Suicane to move his vote because it makes almost no sense at this point to be on EF.

Eh, we have a leader. I'm staying where I am.

[The Jackal]

Deadline

[The Jackal]

I lied

[The Jackal]

Deadline for reals

[HomerSimpson98]

Ugh I don't feel as confident now as I did earlier.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

5 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387), fontisian (432), timmae (497), JAG (504)
3 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354), Chief Rum (401)
3 - Suicane75 - britrock88 (331), Grover (344), EagleFan (481)
2 - Grover - path12 (271), cheekimonk (417)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (478)

[The Jackal]

Another day, another execution, another begrudging acceptance of fate.

Raven was a common soldier.

Fear begins to settle heavily upon you now as the numbers dwindle. It is almost as if the dark magic can sense it and feeds off of it. There seems to be the occasional chill in the air, unnatural in high summer. Will you all wake up in the morning?

[The Jackal]

You awake the following morning to the feeling of the earth moving. At first your sleep-addled mind believes it to be an earthquake but as your senses focus you realize that it is the steady beat of thousands of drums. The Nadir army is nearly ready for you. As you make your way to the communal areas, you notice that another soldier has been slain.

timmae was a common soldier.

Day 3 begins - will an infiltrator be discovered today?

[EagleFan]

On the bright side, no roles lost yet...

[EagleFan]

vote cheekimonk

Not changing that vote today.

[britrock88]

If we have 4 wolves, were at 8:4, which gives us one more mislynch without allowing wolves to reach parity.

[EagleFan]

Day One:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Post	Time	Voter         	Vote    	Unvote
76	4:07	Narcizo      	britrock88	
80	7:04	Zinto         	GoldenEagle	
81	7:11	JAG           	saldana	
82	7:45	EagleFan    	Zinto	
88	8:11	timmae      	Grover	
96	9:57	Grover       	Suicane75	
101	10:29	Chief Rum	Raven	
108	11:43	Raven        	Suicane75	
112	11:57	cheekimonk	timmae	
123	12:25	Suicane75	Grover	
128	12:28	britrock88	JAG	
134	12:43	path12      	britrock88	
152	14:18	britrock88	timmae      	JAG
160	15:50	EagleFan	        	Zinto
161	15:52	EagleFan	Raven	
163	15:57	JAG           	GoldenEagle	saldana
166	16:25	Narcizo      	GoldenEagle	britrock88
174	16:55	Chief Rum	Suicane75	Raven
176	17:19	timmae      	JAG           	Grover
177	17:23	Suicane75	GoldenEagle	Grover
180	18:06	HomerSimpson98	fontisian	
189	18:35	JAG           	fontisian	GoldenEagle
190	18:35	GoldenEagle	Suicane75	
192	18:42	Raven        	fontisian	Suicane75
197	18:58	cheekimonk	britrock88	timmae
204	19:11	path12      	GoldenEagle	britrock88
207	19:13	EagleFan	GoldenEagle	Grover
214	19:34	Grover       	fontisian	Suicane75
216	20:02	JAG            	Suicane75	fontisian
223	20:25	GoldenEagle	fontisian	Suicane75
237	20:49	EagleFan	Raven         	GoldenEagle
239	21:22	cheekimonk	Raven        	britrock88
240	21:37	timmae      	GoldenEagle	JAG
242	21:48	EagleFan	fontisian	Raven
244	21:54	fontisian	GoldenEagle	Raven

[EagleFan]

Day One

Originally Posted by EagleFan

6 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177), path12 (204), timmae (240), fontisian (244)
5 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), Raven (192), Grover (214), GoldenEagle (223), EagleFan (242)
2 - Suicane75 - Chief Rum (174), JAG (216)
1 - timmae - britrock88 (152)
1 - Raven - cheekimonk (239)

[EagleFan]

Crud, Raven's vote should be in green on that day one final vote post.

[fontisian]

Lost of green on my lynch. That leaves Homer or Grover as possible scum, yeah?

EF: If my unaligned pairs are correct, cheek being scum would narrow a four man wolfteam down to four possible worlds:

cheek	cheek	cheek	cheek
grover	grover	homer	saldana
homer	saldana	saldana	suicane
saldana	zinto	suicane	zinto

Thoughts?

[fontisian]

Actually, I'm inclined to discount the first world, as it would mean the GE lynch consisted entirely of townies. So let's narrow that to:

cheek	cheek	cheek
grover	homer	saldana
saldana	saldana	suicane
zinto	suicane	zinto

[JAG]

I noticed D1 that cheek switched to Raven without comment towards the end of the day.

[EagleFan]

With Raven being a villager I am inclined to give Grover a pass. I can't get a read on Homer or Zinto. Will have to go back over the course of events to see what happened.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Actually, I'm inclined to discount the first world, as it would mean the GE lynch consisted entirely of townies. So let's narrow that to:

care to fill us in on what your little grid is?...i have never seen this before and am interested to see what level of associations this is supposed to be

[Suicane75]

Vote: EagleFan

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by saldana

care to fill us in on what your little grid is?...i have never seen this before and am interested to see what level of associations this is supposed to be

Turns out I can post the whole thing, so let's do that:

	britrock88	cheekimonk	Chief Rum	EagleFan	Grover	HomerSimpson98	JAG	path12	saldana	Suicane75	Zinto
britrock88	x	-			-
cheekimonk	-	x	-	-			-	-
Chief Rum		-	x	-	-				-
EagleFan		-	-	x	-			-
Grover	-		-	-	x		-			-
HomerSimpson98						x	-				-
JAG		-			-	-	x				-
path12		-						x		-
saldana			-						x
Suicane75					-			-		x
Zinto						-	-				x

Each red space indicates a knowing unalignment (meaning the two did not know they were on the same team at the time I was analyzing.) This isn't a full chart, as I would add additional minuses to indicated stronger correlations and green spaces to indicate likely alignments, but since this is such a fast game, I haven't gotten around to it yet.

The current red spaces are based on fairly simplistic vote analysis, things like people voting right next to each other or voting for each other in a way that doesn't look like bussing. Keep in mind that the more experienced the player, the less likely this kind of thing is to work.

[EagleFan]

Question anyone voting for me today, trying to get the village to do their job for them.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by JAG

I noticed D1 that cheek switched to Raven without comment towards the end of the day.

I actually explained that...on my very first day of ever playing WW I didn't want to be a deciding vote between the 2 top targets.

If I'm a wolf, then the wolves have been lucky as hell as I would be more a liability (I could be a liability for us as well, I guess, but I digress). I've tried to pick up signs of coordinated votes. I'm can't say I'm good at it yet, but there seem to be plenty of other "wolfy" people around than me.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Question anyone voting for me today, trying to get the village to do their job for them.

EF, is this what I think it is?

[EagleFan]

I think the wolves made a mistake going after someone on my list to try to disprove me. I'll let that sit for a while, will explain later but you'll probably figure it out.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by fontisian

EF, is this what I think it is?

If it was, I couldn't say that it was... whatever you think it could be...

[EagleFan]

Anyone else seeing this page look like a spreadsheet now? Odd, ever since font posted that chart I see boarder lines around things on this page.

[EagleFan]

If I go to a different page in this thread, don't see it.

Sorry, just found that odd.

[fontisian]

Huh. I corrupted everything.

[Suicane75]

Yeah, I thought it was my internet being funky and not loading certain things, but I see it too.

[britrock88]

JAG surviving to D3 makes me wonder...

(Sorry, JAG.)

[path12]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Hey, here's a fun idea. What if we stopped fucking around and lynched Raven already?

Notable statement.

Originally Posted by fontisian

Zinto: It's been a while, and I've been intensively playing mafia the entire time.

Especially in light of this one.

[Grover]

vote cheekimonk

Yes, I know he's new, but claiming that he would be a liability for the wolves is an interesting take. Could be they've planned it for him to 'play dumb' to throw us of the scent?

I'm not buying it. Something is fishy.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

I actually explained that...on my very first day of ever playing WW I didn't want to be a deciding vote between the 2 top targets.

If I'm a wolf, then the wolves have been lucky as hell as I would be more a liability (I could be a liability for us as well, I guess, but I digress). I've tried to pick up signs of coordinated votes. I'm can't say I'm good at it yet, but there seem to be plenty of other "wolfy" people around than me.

Furthering my point. Why would one even claim that they would be a liability to the wolves? Why even mention the possibility you are aligned with them? What is he considering to be "wolfy", when he himself is acting what one could consider wolfy?

I look forward to hearing cheek's defense here, if he has a viable one.

We cannot afford another day with lynching a villager.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

I actually explained that...on my very first day of ever playing WW I didn't want to be a deciding vote between the 2 top targets.

If I'm a wolf, then the wolves have been lucky as hell as I would be more a liability (I could be a liability for us as well, I guess, but I digress). I've tried to pick up signs of coordinated votes. I'm can't say I'm good at it yet, but there seem to be plenty of other "wolfy" people around than me.

I missed that explanation. That's not usually a good thing though, ducking a deciding vote, just so you know. It makes it look like you want to hide your vote rather than taking a stand.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by britrock88

JAG surviving to D3 makes me wonder...

(Sorry, JAG.)

Eh, it's what it is. I assume either I've been barking up the wrong tree, or I've been correct on Zinto and he doesn't want the scrutiny that killing me would bring. Or they might want me alive so they can push me as a candidate later in the game, who knows?

[JAG]

If anyone can put together a D2 vote table, it would be appreciated.

[cheekimonk]

Grover, I made a comment in response to JAG's observation that I switched to Raven late on D1 w/out explanation (I did, indeed, explain it in a separate post). I guess the rest of the post was overreaction gauging by your comments. I got a vote yesterday, but JAG's post was the first time anyone has cast real suspicion on me. We're down 4 villagers (which is as bad as it could get after D2...right?) so D3 is a critical vote for us. I don't really know how to argue I'm a villager as everyone says that. I'd just hate to be the nail in our coffin in my first game because I was just dumb enough to draw attention away from those with seemingly suspicious strategies (to me, at least).

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by JAG

I missed that explanation. That's not usually a good thing though, ducking a deciding vote, just so you know. It makes it look like you want to hide your vote rather than taking a stand.

Thanks. I picked up on that D2 with the discussion of "hidden/wasted" votes.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Grover, I made a comment in response to JAG's observation that I switched to Raven late on D1 w/out explanation (I did, indeed, explain it in a separate post). I guess the rest of the post was overreaction gauging by your comments. I got a vote yesterday, but JAG's post was the first time anyone has cast real suspicion on me. We're down 4 villagers (which is as bad as it could get after D2...right?) so D3 is a critical vote for us. I don't really know how to argue I'm a villager as everyone says that. I'd just hate to be the nail in our coffin in my first game because I was just dumb enough to draw attention away from those with seemingly suspicious strategies (to me, at least).

Assuming you're not a wolf, there's no reason to call yourself dumb because you're getting suspicion. Pretty much everyone does something that someone else thinks is suspicious. Just try and take a look at posts and bring up points that's haven't yet been made that you think might lead us to a wolf. The voting is a little tougher as we haven't caught a wolf yet, but there still is probably some information to be gleaned from it.

[JAG]

I don't have tons of time, but I'm going to try and review D2 posting today.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Vote: EagleFan

Why?

[HomerSimpson98]

Very discouraging and frustrating. I'm obviously doing a shitty job of identifying the bad guys as timmae was also someone who I thought may be wolf. Wrong again.

Got some weird voter action around deadline and I'm trying to wrap my tiny brain around it. Font and Zinto are 2-for-2 in lynching good guys. And why did Sui stay on EF with a wasted vote

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

2 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (516), Grover (539)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (526)