Official 2023 College Football Thread - Page 11

Swaggs · 10-19-2023, 04:21 PM

I don't think it is a wide scale tactic, either. I would imagine that the type of people that are willing to be employed solely to spy and cheat, are probably also the type of people that would either not keep quiet about it or would try to blackmail the program in order to keep quiet once they left.

You might find some GAs and 'hangers on' that would be willing to do it out of loyalty or to further their careers, but even here at WVU, there are so many little secrets that get out, I doubt something like this would be kept under wraps so closely if it was going on and involved a large number of people.

bronconick · 10-19-2023, 05:14 PM

The notorious one I remember was Jimbo forgetting that Dameyune Craig had worked at FSU from 2010-12 and knew the signals in the first half of the championship game vs. Auburn.

RainMaker · 10-19-2023, 05:20 PM

Wasn't there a pretty big scandal with a Wake Forest announcer giving up a bunch of information on the team to opponents? I think Louisville was the team he gave it to.

Ksyrup · 10-19-2023, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Sign stealing? Maybe, but I wouldn't think so. They heavily research tendencies, but I doubt everyone has a large sign stealing scheme.

In all seriousness, what's the difference between this and advanced scouting in baseball where you sit and watch the other team, pick pitcher grips, pitch tells, etc.? I assume if you can pick up on certain signs, whether between pitcher-catcher or base coaches and hitters/runners, you would pass that info along, right?

As long as you're not video recording stuff or sneaking into closed practices, I would think this is typical stuff.

SirFozzie · 10-19-2023, 05:47 PM

The question is (as was in Spygate), are they doing it from prohibited locations? If not, godspeed and have fun.

HerRealName · 10-19-2023, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

The question is (as was in Spygate), are they doing it from prohibited locations? If not, godspeed and have fun.

Scouting in person has been against the rules since 1994 so prohibited locations would include games. That's apparently the issue.

Ksyrup · 10-19-2023, 06:23 PM

Huh. Had no idea! Lazy coaches protecting themselves from each other.

HerRealName · 10-19-2023, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Huh. Had no idea! Lazy coaches protecting themselves from each other.

The intent was to improve balance between higher budget programs and lower budget programs by reducing scouting expenses. If only those ADs and coaches from 1994 could see the analysis and file breakdowns in place today at these high budget programs.

What you don't get from film is how teams handle their personnel package organization, signs, and other administrative type tasks. You can get a better feel for some of that stuff from tv broadcasts then you can from All-22 film.

Ksyrup · 10-19-2023, 07:46 PM

Who says you need hired staff? During my daughter's mid-major softball career, parents would scout teams at tournaments or get reports from parents and players on other teams who played upcoming teams and we'd feed coaches or our kids all sorts of info. And of course they would talk to other coaches for info as well. Just doesn't seem like s big deal to me.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-19-2023, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Wasn't there a pretty big scandal with a Wake Forest announcer giving up a bunch of information on the team to opponents? I think Louisville was the team he gave it to.

Probably not as big a scandal as it should have been (that's a common theme in articles I found to refresh the details)

The announcer, who only moved to the booth after not being retained as an assistant coach when Grobe was let go, was passing plays along to quite a few teams, including Louisville, Army, and Va Tech. His contact at Va Tech? Shane Beamer.

The Athletic dives into WakeyLeaks, and players' reactions on its impact

HerRealName · 10-19-2023, 08:02 PM

If it is true, it's a huge deal. Michigan is currently under investigation for other rules violations that included suspensions for Harbaugh and another coach. If they're out there breaking more rules in the middle of that investigation, this doesn't go well for them (assuming the NCAA has any teeth left).

I'm guessing there's something behind this more than complaints if the NCAA notified the Big Ten and their future opponents.

miami_fan · 10-19-2023, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Former Georgia football LB makes shocking confession in federal court

For the benefit of those of us without a subscription to Online Athens, I am assuming this is what Jon was talking about.

Former Georgia LB Juwan Taylor testifies former teammate was involved in 2021 shooting - On3

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Former Georgia linebacker Juwan Taylor said former teammate Ahkil Nasir-Crumpton was involved in a 2021 shooting in Oconee County, according to the Athens Banner-Herald. Taylor testified Wednesday he kept it to himself for more than a year.

Ksyrup · 10-19-2023, 08:17 PM

Someone posted a video clip of a halftime interview of Greg Schiano where he mentions 2-3 times something going on out there that we need to stop, which in retrospect seems like it has something to do with signs or something other than just the way his team is playing.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-19-2023, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

For the benefit of those of us without a subscription to Online Athens, I am assuming this is what Jon was talking about.

My bad, if anybody couldn't see it.

AFAIK their online still allows three free page views a month so I figured linking here would get anybody in that wanted to read it.

miami_fan · 10-20-2023, 05:57 AM

Michigan staffer eyed as center of 'elaborate' scouting scheme, sources say - ESPN

I may be putting two plus two together and getting fifteen but as soon as they mentioned a source with knowledge of Michigan's staff, my immediate thought was this guy.

Michigan says it had proof against fired assistant Matt Weiss - ESPN

GrantDawg · 10-20-2023, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Michigan staffer eyed as center of 'elaborate' scouting scheme, sources say - ESPN

I may be putting two plus two together and getting fifteen but as soon as they mentioned a source with knowledge of Michigan's staff, my immediate thought was this guy.

Michigan says it had proof against fired assistant Matt Weiss - ESPN

No doubt had an axe to grind and most likely would have known about such a program. I am also having a really hard time believing Jim Harbaugh had no knowledge if this if it is true. IDk, maybe he knew what the guy's job was but didn't know he was using illegal resources? It seems far fetched that he wouldn't know.

Brian Swartz · 10-20-2023, 06:53 AM

I would say that falls under 'institutional control'. I.e., if he didn't know, he should have.

GrantDawg · 10-20-2023, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I would say that falls under 'institutional control'. I.e., if he didn't know, he should have.

I got that part. I know he is guilty of it whether he had knowledge or not. I am just saying I don't find it likely he wouldn't have known.

Ksyrup · 10-20-2023, 03:45 PM

WKU cannot be the first school to think of this. This is pretty neat.

Western Kentucky just CHANGED the game with different decals for each position group �� pic.twitter.com/NL915vx4L7
— College Football Report (@CFBRep) October 20, 2023

Ghost Econ · 10-20-2023, 03:59 PM

Why is their mascot Sexy Red Grimace

cuervo72 · 10-20-2023, 04:13 PM

I mean the WFL tried doing different pants for different position groups.

Also I think I saw something where FSU did this back in the 60s. Or at least for offense/defense/two-way.

RainMaker · 10-20-2023, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

WKU cannot be the first school to think of this. This is pretty neat.

Army did this years ago where each position group wore the decal of a different division.

bob · 10-20-2023, 05:52 PM

I’m pretty sure one of the service academies did this recently. Maybe Navy.

bronconick · 10-21-2023, 11:15 AM

Holy shit, Fox. College football doesn't need 20 minutes of you dicking around.

bob · 10-21-2023, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bob

I’m pretty sure one of the service academies did this recently. Maybe Navy.

LOOK: Navy to wear 7 different, hand-painted helmets for Army game - CBSSports.com

GrantDawg · 10-21-2023, 12:28 PM

The refs just scored 14 points on Penn State in one series.

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HerRealName · 10-21-2023, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The refs just scored 14 points on Penn State in one series.

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What call did you disagree with? The penalties were all obvious.

Edit to add that the personal foul call could have been skipped but it was still 2nd and goal from the 2.

bronconick · 10-21-2023, 12:51 PM

I'd probably boo for taking a knee with three timeouts left too.

HerRealName · 10-21-2023, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

I'd probably boo for taking a knee with three timeouts left too.

First half McCord means you take the knee. Both QBs have had rough starts but McCord has been a mess.

bronconick · 10-21-2023, 01:29 PM

You have to catch that punt, Penn St. returner guy

Kodos · 10-21-2023, 01:57 PM

This OSU - PSU game is pretty boring. Both teams look bad.

Ghost Econ · 10-21-2023, 02:00 PM

Maybe Iowa was all the Big Tens we watched along the way.

sovereignstar v2 · 10-21-2023, 02:00 PM

Kodos, save your mustard for Minnesota- Iowa. Going to be a barn burner!

Kodos · 10-21-2023, 02:03 PM

Go Gophers!

Ksyrup · 10-21-2023, 02:14 PM

"We've secretly replaced the Penn State offense with Iowa's - let's see if they notice!"

Ghost Econ · 10-21-2023, 02:16 PM

So I assume Penn State thought they wouldn't get the ball back if they punted? Seemed early for 4th down try in a 1 score game in your own half.

JPhillips · 10-21-2023, 02:27 PM

I was worried about Allard, but he's looked really rough today.

Atocep · 10-21-2023, 02:29 PM

Marvin Harrison is the best player on the field and Allar is seeing ghosts.

It's always good to see James Franklin looking lost on the sideline.

bronconick · 10-21-2023, 02:31 PM

It's time to talk to your children about bowl eligible Rutgers

Ghost Econ · 10-21-2023, 02:32 PM

UCF trying to tie and decides, what if we go for the dumbest fucking 2 point try from the 3?

sovereignstar v2 · 10-21-2023, 02:40 PM

Iowa wearing their classic black and barf colors

GrantDawg · 10-21-2023, 02:51 PM

I feel dirty typing this. Go Vols! Great opening drive.

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GrantDawg · 10-21-2023, 03:22 PM

Tennessee has to settle for FG twice in the Redzone is going to come back and bite them. You have to bury Alabama when you have the chance.

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SirFozzie · 10-21-2023, 03:33 PM

Yeah, I'm not sounding the Upset Alert horn just yet (even if the teams are more evenly judged then normal, it's freaking Alabama, Tennessee winning would be considered an upset)... but another score or two would help. And stopping them just outside FG range just a minute ago will help

GrantDawg · 10-21-2023, 04:48 PM

Tennessee comes out at halftime and just repeatedly kick themselves in the nuts.

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sovereignstar v2 · 10-21-2023, 05:10 PM

God I hope no one is watching this game

JonInMiddleGA · 10-21-2023, 05:22 PM

Vols are coached by a man with the IQ of a turnip.

Atocep · 10-21-2023, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

God I hope no one is watching this game

The exact words I'm thinking watching this WVU-Oklahoma State game. Andrew Wilson-Lamp for WVU just did the dumbest and most ridiculous thing I've ever seen a WVU player do on the field.

I'm not posting. I'm sure it's on twitter. Probably worth finding.

GrantDawg · 10-21-2023, 05:35 PM

Tennessee completely self-destructing.

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Atocep · 10-21-2023, 05:45 PM

Fire Neal Brown

10-19-2023, 04:21 PM	#501
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I don't think it is a wide scale tactic, either. I would imagine that the type of people that are willing to be employed solely to spy and cheat, are probably also the type of people that would either not keep quiet about it or would try to blackmail the program in order to keep quiet once they left. You might find some GAs and 'hangers on' that would be willing to do it out of loyalty or to further their careers, but even here at WVU, there are so many little secrets that get out, I doubt something like this would be kept under wraps so closely if it was going on and involved a large number of people. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-19-2023, 05:47 PM	#505
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	The question is (as was in Spygate), are they doing it from prohibited locations? If not, godspeed and have fun. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-19-2023, 06:23 PM	#507
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Huh. Had no idea! Lazy coaches protecting themselves from each other. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-19-2023, 07:46 PM	#509
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Who says you need hired staff? During my daughter's mid-major softball career, parents would scout teams at tournaments or get reports from parents and players on other teams who played upcoming teams and we'd feed coaches or our kids all sorts of info. And of course they would talk to other coaches for info as well. Just doesn't seem like s big deal to me. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-19-2023, 08:17 PM	#513
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Someone posted a video clip of a halftime interview of Greg Schiano where he mentions 2-3 times something going on out there that we need to stop, which in retrospect seems like it has something to do with signs or something other than just the way his team is playing. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 10-19-2023 at 08:17 PM.

10-19-2023, 05:14 PM	#502
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	The notorious one I remember was Jimbo forgetting that Dameyune Craig had worked at FSU from 2010-12 and knew the signals in the first half of the championship game vs. Auburn.

10-19-2023, 05:20 PM	#503
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Wasn't there a pretty big scandal with a Wake Forest announcer giving up a bunch of information on the team to opponents? I think Louisville was the team he gave it to.

10-19-2023, 08:02 PM	#511
HerRealName College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	If it is true, it's a huge deal. Michigan is currently under investigation for other rules violations that included suspensions for Harbaugh and another coach. If they're out there breaking more rules in the middle of that investigation, this doesn't go well for them (assuming the NCAA has any teeth left). I'm guessing there's something behind this more than complaints if the NCAA notified the Big Ten and their future opponents.

10-20-2023, 05:57 AM	#515
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Michigan staffer eyed as center of 'elaborate' scouting scheme, sources say - ESPN I may be putting two plus two together and getting fifteen but as soon as they mentioned a source with knowledge of Michigan's staff, my immediate thought was this guy. Michigan says it had proof against fired assistant Matt Weiss - ESPN __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

10-20-2023, 06:53 AM	#517
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	I would say that falls under 'institutional control'. I.e., if he didn't know, he should have.

10-20-2023, 03:45 PM	#519
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	WKU cannot be the first school to think of this. This is pretty neat. Western Kentucky just CHANGED the game with different decals for each position group �� pic.twitter.com/NL915vx4L7 — College Football Report (@CFBRep) October 20, 2023 __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 10-20-2023 at 03:46 PM.

10-20-2023, 03:59 PM	#520
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	Why is their mascot Sexy Red Grimace

10-20-2023, 04:13 PM	#521
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	I mean the WFL tried doing different pants for different position groups. Also I think I saw something where FSU did this back in the 60s. Or at least for offense/defense/two-way. __________________ null

10-20-2023, 05:52 PM	#523
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	I’m pretty sure one of the service academies did this recently. Maybe Navy.

10-21-2023, 11:15 AM	#524
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Holy shit, Fox. College football doesn't need 20 minutes of you dicking around.

10-21-2023, 12:28 PM	#526
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	The refs just scored 14 points on Penn State in one series. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-21-2023, 12:51 PM	#528
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	I'd probably boo for taking a knee with three timeouts left too.

10-21-2023, 01:29 PM	#530
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	You have to catch that punt, Penn St. returner guy

10-21-2023, 01:57 PM	#531
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	This OSU - PSU game is pretty boring. Both teams look bad.

10-21-2023, 02:00 PM	#532
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	Maybe Iowa was all the Big Tens we watched along the way.

10-21-2023, 02:00 PM	#533
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	Kodos, save your mustard for Minnesota- Iowa. Going to be a barn burner!

10-21-2023, 02:03 PM	#534
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Go Gophers!

10-21-2023, 02:14 PM	#535
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	"We've secretly replaced the Penn State offense with Iowa's - let's see if they notice!" __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-21-2023, 02:16 PM	#536
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	So I assume Penn State thought they wouldn't get the ball back if they punted? Seemed early for 4th down try in a 1 score game in your own half.

10-21-2023, 02:27 PM	#537
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I was worried about Allard, but he's looked really rough today. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-21-2023, 02:29 PM	#538
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Marvin Harrison is the best player on the field and Allar is seeing ghosts. It's always good to see James Franklin looking lost on the sideline.

10-21-2023, 02:31 PM	#539
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	It's time to talk to your children about bowl eligible Rutgers

10-21-2023, 02:32 PM	#540
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	UCF trying to tie and decides, what if we go for the dumbest fucking 2 point try from the 3?

10-21-2023, 02:40 PM	#541
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	Iowa wearing their classic black and barf colors

10-21-2023, 02:51 PM	#542
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	I feel dirty typing this. Go Vols! Great opening drive. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 10-21-2023 at 02:51 PM.

10-21-2023, 03:22 PM	#543
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Tennessee has to settle for FG twice in the Redzone is going to come back and bite them. You have to bury Alabama when you have the chance. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 10-21-2023 at 03:37 PM.

10-21-2023, 03:33 PM	#544
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Yeah, I'm not sounding the Upset Alert horn just yet (even if the teams are more evenly judged then normal, it's freaking Alabama, Tennessee winning would be considered an upset)... but another score or two would help. And stopping them just outside FG range just a minute ago will help __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-21-2023, 04:48 PM	#545
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Tennessee comes out at halftime and just repeatedly kick themselves in the nuts. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-21-2023, 05:10 PM	#546
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	God I hope no one is watching this game

10-21-2023, 05:22 PM	#547
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Vols are coached by a man with the IQ of a turnip. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis