Maximum Football??? - Page 112

Kodos · 09-28-2007, 02:40 PM

5,552 posts in, Kodos finally joins the fray. Never fear, my friends. Reinforcements are here!

Max Football suxxors!!1!

JPhillips · 09-28-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

I think some of you should be ashamed for how you're treating Marauders. He's just a gamer like the rest of us, discussing a game he likes, and trying to be as helpful and patient as possible to provide helpful information.

No, he's specifically ignoring repeated requests to provide helpful information. He's been asked to provide screenshots of stats 127.3495 times and acts as if the question has never been asked.

If he limited himself to "I like MF. For me the fun of playing the game outweighs the defeciencies in the engine," nobody would care. When he claims the game is sound statistically but refuses to provide proof, he sets himself up as an easy target.

MikeVic · 09-28-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

5,552 posts in, Kodos finally joins the fray. Never fear, my friends. Reinforcements are here!

Max Football suxxors!!1!

Let's rock this joint!

Sssssssssssmokin'!

cartman · 09-28-2007, 02:59 PM

It is amazing the similarity in styles of Marauders trumpeting Max-FB and Mizzou B-Ball Fan's defense of the PS3. Can I get an IP check?

Neon_Chaos · 09-28-2007, 03:06 PM

Ahhh... nothing like geek on geek violence.

dawgfan · 09-28-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

I think some of you should be ashamed for how you're treating Marauders. He's just a gamer like the rest of us, discussing a game he likes, and trying to be as helpful and patient as possible to provide helpful information.

Sorry if my sarcasm detector is on the fritz, but are you serious? He's defending the indefensible, a game that isn't close to Madden as a 3D football game and laughably far from FOF as a sim, yet takes pot-shots at both while failing to either grasp why his arguments are ridiculous (re: quick-simmed stats in Maximum Hilarity) or providing any evidence that said stats engine provides any kind of realistic results (which it can't anyway with maximum run and pass gains ridiculously limited).

Look, if I'm a buddy of Daivd's I look at Maximum Hilarity and say "Damn, that's an impressive amount of work for a single programmer to undertake - I admire your dedication and perserverance". As a customer though, I look at it and say "What's the point of this product? Unless my main interest in a football game is customized uniforms, this game does nothing that other products on the market don't do a lot better, and for something other than a very discounted price to reflect the (lack of) quality of the game".

Antmeister · 09-28-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

I think some of you should be ashamed for how you're treating Marauders. He's just a gamer like the rest of us, discussing a game he likes, and trying to be as helpful and patient as possible to provide helpful information.

Seriously, why would anyone come into this thread and try to trumpet a game and yet provide us with nothing. His purpose in coming here was to refute what was being said about the game, yet that may not be all the motives. I still don't understand why he would choose this thread to trumpet the game when he could have easily started a new thread.

It's almost as if he wants to thread to thrive. This thread has almost seen a certain death a couple of times and both times, he comes out of the blue when the thread had been inactive for a while.

If he really wanted to be helpful, he would be providing screenshots, information about a demo being released, elaborate on how to work the new features in the game, etc. Not happening.

Neon_Chaos · 09-28-2007, 03:15 PM

"John Cena says that Maximum Football 2 doesn't NEED to prove anything to you! RAAAAAWR!"

Desmond · 09-28-2007, 03:18 PM

Seriously. I want to see how the game has changed. I CAN'T GET TO THE GAME!

Dutch · 09-28-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

+0.98763927163827

Funny, Matrix Games just rounded that up to 2.

Passacaglia · 09-28-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggins44

I hope the operating system(s) he's developing for is still relevant when he releases the game. Might be like 4 or 5 version of Windows released before it comes out.

Nice call by Riggins in Post 66 of the thread.

johneh · 09-28-2007, 09:28 PM

HEY MARUADERS,

Why do you keep ignoring the requests for screenshots showing realistic stats. We've been asking for months. A few months ago you said you would post them, you never did. You come on here and respond to questions, yet you completely ignore the requests for screenshots. How come?

Coffee Warlord · 09-28-2007, 10:22 PM

Yeah, I'm itchin' to photoshop something new.

Crim · 09-29-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister

Seriously, why would anyone come into this thread and try to trumpet a game and yet provide us with nothing. His purpose in coming here was to refute what was being said about the game, yet that may not be all the motives. I still don't understand why he would choose this thread to trumpet the game when he could have easily started a new thread.

It's almost as if he wants to thread to thrive. This thread has almost seen a certain death a couple of times and both times, he comes out of the blue when the thread had been inactive for a while.

If he really wanted to be helpful, he would be providing screenshots, information about a demo being released, elaborate on how to work the new features in the game, etc. Not happening.

There'd have been an enormous and resounding outcry of rage if someone tried to come up in here with substantive Maximum Pratfall info in a new thread, Ant. Enormous. And Resounding.

This thread lives, and nothing you nor the forces of Darkness under the command of Daivd can do will change that fact.

VOTE ANTMEISTER

Crim · 09-29-2007, 12:04 AM

Oh, and hey, Brad.

Neon_Chaos · 09-29-2007, 12:08 AM

Crim is acting a bit out of character by attacking Ant... wolflike, I gander.

Vote Crim

Pumpy Tudors · 09-29-2007, 08:15 AM

VOTE DAIVD

st.cronin · 10-01-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister

Please stop posting Tom Brady stats. st.cronin is magnetically drawn towards them and if posted in too many places, his body will split.

Hello.

Coffee Warlord · 10-01-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

VOTE DAIVD

VOTE PUMPY PIX

SunDevil · 10-01-2007, 02:40 PM

Saw this thread slowing down over the last couple of days, so let's try to get some wind in the sails.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1579666

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A couple of observations from watching cpu v. cpu games:

1. What dictates a team kicking a field goal or going for it on 4th down? Had a team driving, they were down by 19 with 30 seconds left in the game. Instead of going for it and trying to get the score closer, they go for a field goal. Not very realistic, IMHO.

2. Team down by 11 in the fourth quarter. They score a TD, but instead of going for the 2 pt conversion and making it a 3 pt deficit, they kick the PAT and make it a 4 pt deficit. In the first three quarters, I can understand this. Not in the 4th quarter, late in the game.

3. Ball is punted. The returner does not catch the ball. Ball lands at the 8 yd line. returner decides, with the entire punt defense surrounding him, to pick the ball up and attempt to run. This happens very rarely in football, but I see it all the time on the game.

Just a couple of things that I feel should be tweaked. Now that most of the big issues have been/will be solved, it is time to get nit-picky. It will just make a tighter product in the end.

MikeVic · 10-01-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDevil

Saw this thread slowing down of the last couple of days, so let's try to get some more wind in the sails.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1579666

Time to get nit-picky!

SunDevil · 10-01-2007, 02:43 PM

And another.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1578409

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I have started my league games (cpu v. cpu) and I am noticing that the 2nd, 3rd and even RB are getting into the game replacing the starter (without the starter being injured). During pre-season, I can see this, but during the regular season?

Is this a bug or is there something I can do to fix this?

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hi.

This is fatigue. The players are getting tired and the CPU is swapping them out.

There was at least one complaint about the lack of this happening in previous versions.

Lowering the fatigue levels (setting them all to 1) will elliminate fatigue completely from your game.

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You can't disable fatigue for one position. Making the endurance very high for the position may help. I don't believe I've seen a QB subbed out due to fatigue during the game though. They just don't generate enough when handing off or passing

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Think this is something you can update? I feel the QB's should not fall under the default fatigue factors.

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I've encreased the threshold for fatigue effecting quarterbacks but given the style of play in use, it can still occur. A QB that continually runs or continually gets sacked will still be subbed out of the game by the AI.

So don't think of Michael Vick as being out of football, think of him being fatigued from continually running.

SunDevil · 10-01-2007, 02:47 PM

And seriously the biggest issue with the new version of Maximum Football 2.0 is that End Zone art is not showing up.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1572994

It has the most views and posts. I mean who cares if your team actually lines up inside the end zone (might be fixed now) but if the end zone art does not show up, you are going to hear about it.

SunDevil · 10-01-2007, 02:50 PM

I can not resist.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1579371

This was posted yesterday as of yet, not response. Must be too busy working on the end zone art bug.

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I just watched a game where the QB hit his WR, the WR fumbled immediately and a defender ran it back for a TD. But the game didnt report what happened. The score was good for 6 and they kicked the XP. But there was never any mention of who picked it up and no credit given for the score in the player stats.

I think ive seen similar on kickoff and punt returns. Or maybe even a few INT returns. Not 100% on those but definately saw it on this one.

Just would be nice to know who is doing what in these situations also

gstelmack · 10-01-2007, 02:52 PM

If I create a new utility that will convert FOF teams to Maximum Football rosters for the purpose of multiplayer game shots, can I call it "Maximator" to keep in line with my utility naming scheme, or do I have to stick with the default name "Maximizer"?

cartman · 10-01-2007, 02:57 PM

how about "maxibator"?

miked · 10-01-2007, 03:40 PM

It seems as though every troubleshooting involves video cards. It's funny, when I play Civ4, Might and Magic, and more games of the sort, there is no problem whatsoever. And that was on and old machine. So how can a game that has so little statistical generation and AI require so much juice? Is the art and rendering that special? Why when people are asking about their QBs throwing 30 straight incompletions does frame rate enter in? Odd.

Antmeister · 10-01-2007, 04:15 PM

The thing that always makes me chuckle is when they write, "Good game! This is the best thing since FBPro98, but.....", and then they list a number of mind boggling issues like:

"My players are doing the YMCA around a live ball. I prefer the Cabbage Patch or Running Man but don't know how to change dance sequences."

"My Defensive End just threw a 225 yard bomb to the punter for 3 touchdowns all in one spectular play! Maybe this is something you can look into because I am pretty sure that should have counted for 5 safties."

"There's this 3D fan that bum rushes the field everytime I rename one of the players to Tom Brady. I think he's from some kind of street in the city of Cronin? Is there a Canadian city named Cronin? If not, I would like to customize the city details of that fan to represent an American city since I have created a Professional Pee Wee league."

"The players seem to be a different race below the waist then they are above the waist. This is an unacceptable level of customization. I want to be able to change the race for each body part so that it color coordinates with my Bengals-Panthers mish mash uniforms."

Brillig · 10-01-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

If I create a new utility that will convert FOF teams to Maximum Football rosters for the purpose of multiplayer game shots, can I call it "Maximator" to keep in line with my utility naming scheme, or do I have to stick with the default name "Maximizer"?

Now you're just being silly. Unless it imports the uniforms, it's of no use whatsoever.

Bee · 10-01-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister

"The players seem to be a different race below the waist then they are above the waist. This is an unacceptable level of customization. I want to be able to change the race for each body part so that it color coordinates with my Bengals-Panthers mish mash uniforms."

I feel sorry for the players who are black above the waist and white below. It's like having to deal with all the racism without any of the advantages we have.

MikeVic · 10-01-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bee

I feel sorry for the players who are black above the waist and white below. It's like having to deal with all the racism without any of the advantages we have.

You're black?

Neon_Chaos · 10-01-2007, 06:00 PM

A black sheriff?

dawgfan · 10-01-2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked

It seems as though every troubleshooting involves video cards. It's funny, when I play Civ4, Might and Magic, and more games of the sort, there is no problem whatsoever. And that was on and old machine. So how can a game that has so little statistical generation and AI require so much juice? Is the art and rendering that special? Why when people are asking about their QBs throwing 30 straight incompletions does frame rate enter in? Odd.

Video card issues have nothing to do with AI - it's all about rendering what you see. Since Maximum Hilarity is a 3D football game, there's a lot of graphical information to be processed on-screen - pushing 22+ skeletons (not sure if there are moving refs, sideline players/coaches or fans) all at once with textured models for all of those players, plus the environments and the lighting.

I believe I read that Daivd has updated the game to run using one of the 2 latest versions of DirectX (either 9 or 10), and if some of his customers are using older video cards that don't support that standard, or are simply underpowered given the nature of the game, I can easily see why video card issues would be the main focus of troubleshooting.

When I was with MS doing sports games prior to the Xbox, dealing with all the different possible video cards for our PC sports games was a nightmare.

Cringer · 10-01-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

You're black?

Maybe he is black were it counts?

Mac Howard · 10-02-2007, 04:46 AM

Reading this thread reminded me of a thread from some years ago:

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=10090

I'm not too up to date on gridiron text sims and know little about what has happened over the last 4 years. FOF has always been a little too dry for me. Have we seen anything closer to the game discussed in that thread yet? If so can you point me in the right direction?

WSUCougar · 10-11-2007, 11:17 PM

I'm too lazy to see if this was posted previously, but I just saw this press release on Wargamer.com. The quotes are simply fantastic...

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Matrix Games (www.matrixgames.com) and Wintervalley Software (www.wintervalley.com) are excited to release a new update for their well received football simulation and management game, Maximum Football 2.0. This latest update file includes added functionality to depth charts to make sorting and filtering information easier, a more intelligent hurry up offense process, and plenty of other improvements.

David Heath, Director of Operations at Matrix Games, said “My fantasy football team may be in the dumps at the beginning of this season, but with Maximum Football 2.0 I can at least design a league how I like and take it out on the other team! I’m truly enjoying the added features and content from the second edition of Maximum Football and this new update makes the game even more enjoyable.”

David Winter of Wintervalley Software added “Following the successful release of Maximum Football 2.0, Matrix Games and Wintervalley Software both agreed to release an update chock full of improvements quickly afterwards. Football fans everywhere will want to hit this update and install it like it was a rushing hole on fourth and goal.”

Maximum-Football 2.0 is the latest and greatest release from the acclaimed sports management video game studio, Wintervalley Software. Bringing a whole host of new features like full Xbox 360 controller support, full DirectX 9.0 utilization, and scores of other upgrades and improvements, Maximum-Football 2.0 delivers on gameplay and fun like a bullet pass through double coverage. Like its predecessor, Maximum-Football 2.0 allows players to experience the thrill of managing a team in any league from pee-wee to all-pro.

Design and play in leagues where you pick the size and layout. Play against others in user created leagues. There is no limit to how far you can take Maximum-Football 2.0. Get down and dirty with the editor as you create new plays and playbooks, design your own uniforms and helmets, and even select nicknames to appear on jerseys.

Maximum-Football 2.0 is the football fans dream. Whether you are a head coach or an armchair quarterback, Maximum-Football 2.0 has the features for you.

Get more information on Maximum Football 2.0 from its official Matrix Games webpage. This update will bring the game to version 2.1.8 and is comprehensive.

larrymcg421 · 10-11-2007, 11:25 PM

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Football fans everywhere will want to hit this update and install it like it was a rushing hole on fourth and goal.

He really needs to work on his analogies.

sabotai · 10-11-2007, 11:27 PM

"Football fans everywhere will want to hit this update and install it like it was a rushing hole on fourth and goal.”

Hahahahaha!

DeToxRox · 10-11-2007, 11:29 PM

Denny Green, formerly of Oakland, CA echos the above sentiments, "I know my football and Maximum Football 2 is as realistic as it gets!"

WSUCougar · 10-11-2007, 11:31 PM

Install it
Like it was a rushing hole
On fourth and goal.

It's like some bizarro Maximum haiku.

digamma · 10-11-2007, 11:44 PM

I love installing rushing holes.

twothree · 10-11-2007, 11:54 PM

"...for their well received football simulation and management game..."

cartman · 10-11-2007, 11:57 PM

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"Football fans everywhere will want to hit this update ”

In the immortal words of the Godfather of Soul:

CAN I HIT IT AND QUIT IT?

twothree · 10-12-2007, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

VOTE PUMPY PIX

Sherman, set the Wayback Machine to earlier in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

like seriously!

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Originally Posted by John Galt

Maxi-pad football is gaming crack
It even supports my Pumpy face pack
It answers my prayers
To teleport players
I can't wait to lead my all-midget attack

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

digamma · 10-12-2007, 02:24 AM

How did you not highlight this...

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design your own uniforms and helmets

Also, I can only hope that this is in reference to Daivd. What I would do to get down and dirty with the man himself...

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Get down and dirty with the editor

Coffee Warlord · 10-12-2007, 10:03 AM

It's version 2, bitches!

Pumpy Tudors · 10-12-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

It's version 2, bitches!

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AZSpeechCoach · 10-12-2007, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

It's version 2, bitches!

When there's something strange, on your computer screen
Who you gonna call?
Daivd!
When players teleport, and your beer tent's green
Who you gonna call?
Daivd!

Toddzilla · 10-12-2007, 01:13 PM

The word "gaping" needed to be part of that press release.

johneh · 10-24-2007, 10:51 PM

Is this game as good as everyone makes it out to be? http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1594662

09-28-2007, 02:59 PM	#5554
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	It is amazing the similarity in styles of Marauders trumpeting Max-FB and Mizzou B-Ball Fan's defense of the PS3. Can I get an IP check? __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

09-28-2007, 03:06 PM	#5555
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Ahhh... nothing like geek on geek violence. __________________ Come and see.

09-28-2007, 03:15 PM	#5558
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	"John Cena says that Maximum Football 2 doesn't NEED to prove anything to you! RAAAAAWR!" __________________ Come and see.

09-29-2007, 12:08 AM	#5566
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Crim is acting a bit out of character by attacking Ant... wolflike, I gander. Vote Crim __________________ Come and see.

09-29-2007, 08:15 AM	#5567
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	VOTE DAIVD __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

09-28-2007, 02:40 PM	#5551
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	5,552 posts in, Kodos finally joins the fray. Never fear, my friends. Reinforcements are here! Max Football suxxors!!1!

09-28-2007, 03:18 PM	#5559
Desmond Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Hatch	Seriously. I want to see how the game has changed. I CAN'T GET TO THE GAME!

09-28-2007, 09:28 PM	#5562
johneh Mascot Join Date: Jul 2004	*HEY MARUADERS,* Why do you keep ignoring the requests for screenshots showing realistic stats. We've been asking for months. A few months ago you said you would post them, you never did. You come on here and respond to questions, yet you completely ignore the requests for screenshots. How come?

09-28-2007, 10:22 PM	#5563
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Yeah, I'm itchin' to photoshop something new.

09-29-2007, 12:04 AM	#5565
Crim College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003	Oh, and hey, Brad.

10-01-2007, 02:52 PM	#5575
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	If I create a new utility that will convert FOF teams to Maximum Football rosters for the purpose of multiplayer game shots, can I call it "Maximator" to keep in line with my utility naming scheme, or do I have to stick with the default name "Maximizer"? __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

10-01-2007, 02:57 PM	#5576
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	how about "maxibator"? __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

10-01-2007, 03:40 PM	#5577
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	It seems as though every troubleshooting involves video cards. It's funny, when I play Civ4, Might and Magic, and more games of the sort, there is no problem whatsoever. And that was on and old machine. So how can a game that has so little statistical generation and AI require so much juice? Is the art and rendering that special? Why when people are asking about their QBs throwing 30 straight incompletions does frame rate enter in? Odd. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

10-01-2007, 04:15 PM	#5578
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	The thing that always makes me chuckle is when they write, "Good game! This is the best thing since FBPro98, but.....", and then they list a number of mind boggling issues like: "My players are doing the YMCA around a live ball. I prefer the Cabbage Patch or Running Man but don't know how to change dance sequences." "My Defensive End just threw a 225 yard bomb to the punter for 3 touchdowns all in one spectular play! Maybe this is something you can look into because I am pretty sure that should have counted for 5 safties." "There's this 3D fan that bum rushes the field everytime I rename one of the players to Tom Brady. I think he's from some kind of street in the city of Cronin? Is there a Canadian city named Cronin? If not, I would like to customize the city details of that fan to represent an American city since I have created a Professional Pee Wee league." "The players seem to be a different race below the waist then they are above the waist. This is an unacceptable level of customization. I want to be able to change the race for each body part so that it color coordinates with my Bengals-Panthers mish mash uniforms." __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew Last edited by Antmeister : 10-01-2007 at 04:19 PM.

10-01-2007, 06:00 PM	#5582
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	A black sheriff? __________________ Come and see.

10-02-2007, 04:46 AM	#5585
Mac Howard Sick as a Parrot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia	Reading this thread reminded me of a thread from some years ago: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=10090 I'm not too up to date on gridiron text sims and know little about what has happened over the last 4 years. FOF has always been a little too dry for me. Have we seen anything closer to the game discussed in that thread yet? If so can you point me in the right direction? Last edited by Mac Howard : 10-02-2007 at 04:48 AM.

10-11-2007, 11:27 PM	#5588
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	"Football fans everywhere will want to hit this update and install it like it was a rushing hole on fourth and goal.” Hahahahaha!

10-11-2007, 11:29 PM	#5589
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Denny Green, formerly of Oakland, CA echos the above sentiments, "I know my football and Maximum Football 2 is as realistic as it gets!"

10-11-2007, 11:31 PM	#5590
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Install it Like it was a rushing hole On fourth and goal. It's like some bizarro Maximum haiku. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

10-11-2007, 11:44 PM	#5591
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	I love installing rushing holes.

10-11-2007, 11:54 PM	#5592
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	"...for their well received football simulation and management game..."

10-12-2007, 10:03 AM	#5596
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	It's version 2, bitches! Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 10-12-2007 at 10:04 AM.

10-12-2007, 01:13 PM	#5599
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	The word "gaping" needed to be part of that press release.

10-24-2007, 10:51 PM	#5600
johneh Mascot Join Date: Jul 2004	Is this game as good as everyone makes it out to be? http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1594662

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