10-02-2011, 10:41 PM | #5601 | |
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Honestly the other schools greatly underestimated how far Texas was in already creating the network. Texas beat everyone to the punch. It's a big reason why A&M left ... Texas outflanked them and made it impossible for an A&M network to fly or make the same money as the Longhorn Network. Texas negotiated for the right to make more money off their third tier rights ... and now some other schools are negotiating to limit that. It's the same negotiation that took place last summer, it's just now that the rest of the Big 12 schools are more organized and have more leverage than they did a year ago. If Texas doesn't like what they other 8 remaining schools want ... there's the door. I'm somewhat firmly convinced my school's leadership will fuck this up. If I'm Missouri, I'm telling Texas and the rest of the Big 12 you have until noon Tuesday to get third tier rights under control or we're gone. Based on the news out of the Big East today, it sounds like the discussion about picking off some Big East schools was an idle threat. On the subject of BYU, BYU-TV is a great example of why the Big 12 would be good for BYU. The Big 12 is the only conference where BYU could put their games on their network, which would certainly help get the network in more cable homes. If you guys want to join the Big 12, go for it. Just make sure you know that Texas will always try to screw you. |
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10-03-2011, 01:45 AM | #5602 | |
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10-03-2011, 09:07 AM | #5603 | |
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The other schools are already starting that. K-State has an internet-based network that just started this fall. OU is in the planning stages. Mizzou is also in the process. With that said, it's pretty obvious that the biggest money for everyone in the conference is when you pool resources and create a conference network rather than doing it in pieces. The LHN is the first national network within a conference. Honestly, it probably would have worked fine had UT not got greedy with the move to add additional conference games to the network (which takes games out of the conference contract) and the move towards HS games/highlights. Judging from what the KC Star is reporting today, it sounds like Mizzou is playing hardball in regard to the 3rd tier rights. If Mizzou can get the concessions out of UT, then there's no reason not to stay. But given UT's track record thus far in that regard, I'm not holding my breath. |
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10-03-2011, 09:15 AM | #5604 | |
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1. I do believe Colorado left as well (to be fair, you probably weren't the only one to not notice). 2. Mizzou is in a great position to demand concessions from Texas. They're the third most influential of the schools remaining in the B12 and have a SEC offer on the table. If Mizzou leaves, the conference takes a hit by losing portions of two top-30 national media markets. They can't afford to do that with a likely renegotiation soon to come. We'll find out tomorrow after the Mizzou BOC meeting. If the BOC votes to give Deaton power to move forward with other options, we're likely out. If they stay pat, it means we can expect to see announcement from Deaton (as B12 chairman) announcing some major changes in how 3rd tier rights are handled. |
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10-03-2011, 09:27 AM | #5605 | |
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Strikes me as akin to being the third most influential nation in the Warsaw Pact.
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10-03-2011, 09:33 AM | #5606 |
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Let's say Mizzou leaves for the SEC (since they've apparently had an invite for the past few weeks they are pondering). How does this hurt Texas financially? Are they not able to add 2-3 teams (say, SMU, TCU, something of that sort) and keep going on? Why is this some big Texas conspiracy when their fate has little to do with these lesser teams in the conference?
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10-03-2011, 09:47 AM | #5607 | |
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Sounds like a fair comparison to me. But with that said, the leaders need those areas to hold their power. If a revolution occurs, that power is weakened and gives others similar thoughts as we have seen with the NU, A&M, and CU defections. |
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10-03-2011, 09:49 AM | #5608 | |
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I think you're absolutely right in regards to Texas. They just pick up a few lesser schools who are more willing to deal with the warts as long as they see increases in budget, something that Mizzou isn't willing to agree with moving forward. |
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10-03-2011, 10:23 AM | #5609 |
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It remains to be seen what LHN agreements have been made. RT 31 minutes ago FavoriteRetweetReply PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel The Big 12 grant of rights, when agreed to, will be for "at least six years." A message to BYU and others: "We're not dysfunctional." 32 minutes ago FavoriteRetweetReply PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel That said, I doubt that Neinas and Big 12 announce this without having Mizzou on board. This was a key step in luring them back. 33 minutes ago FavoriteRetweetReply PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel When each school votes on agreeing to the grant of rights, the Big 12 will effectively be saved. But, that still needs to happen. 35 minutes ago FavoriteRetweetReply PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel Big 12 announces equal distribution, which will happen after each school puts in its grant of rights.
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10-03-2011, 11:06 AM | #5610 | |
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Why does the PAC not want BYU? Seems like a quality school with good sports programs and a dedicated national fanbase. SI
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SnDvls has it right...but if you ask them, its about academics. BYU will never get an invite to the PAC ever...There is just to much of a gap in differences and honestly, I am not that big on this but religious bigotry on both sides of the ball for this to ever work. It's not to say we aren't wanted by the AD's and coaches, that has been brought up many times that we were wanted in the conference because of revenue and competition, but the schools presidents have shot us down repeatedly, especially Cal and Stanford.....
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10-03-2011, 12:19 PM | #5613 | |
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It's not religion per se, obviusly Notre Dame would have no problem. But the short answer of why not BYU is because of this: Academic freedom at Brigham Young University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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10-03-2011, 01:47 PM | #5614 |
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I could be - and most certain am - wrong about this, but the fact that the Big 12 has apparently come to a handshake agreement over Tier 1 & 2 rights, the Mizzou curators are meeting tomorrow, and there's not any kind of smoke out there about Mizzou leaving the Big 12, suggests to me that they are staying.
They're going to have to make a move very shortly, because the TV rights agreement will have to be signed pretty quickly to really mean anything and make BYU and/or other schools confident enough to move forward with joining, so Mizzou needs to move now or stay put. And I haven't heard anything but the same ol' rumors out about them moving.
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10-03-2011, 01:59 PM | #5615 |
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Huh. A rights agreement actually makes the ACC the more attractive spot to grab #14 again, unless they go back to West Virginia.
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10-03-2011, 02:21 PM | #5616 | |
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everyone knows it's Cal & Stanford that don't want BYU. I think both AZ schools would love to have them given the large LDS populations in AZ, but we don't have the power or pull that the other two have. I think the Sunday thing is really blown up too much. Really as the Pac-10 the only sports played on Sundays were baseball anyhow. Colorado had a long standing invite to the Pac-10 for years (along with Texas) and finally took them up on it as their alumni base is mostly in Cali. (outside of CO of course). So that wasn't a suprise to see them here. |
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10-03-2011, 03:34 PM | #5617 | |
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The Tier 1 and 2 equal sharing has been agreed upon for awhile. That happened when OU considered a move. The tier 3 rights are the battleground that OU started pushing and now MU is still pushing. There's no reason for a BOC meeting if they're staying for sure The TV rights in the SEC are already under negotiation. Slive has said that publicly. There's multiple options on the table that depend on whether or not a 14th, 15th, and/or 16th member is added. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 10-03-2011 at 03:34 PM. |
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10-03-2011, 06:12 PM | #5618 |
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I expect one of two scenarios to come out of tomorrow's curators meeting:
1. Missouri says it's interested in staying in the Big 12 and will commit its first and second tier rights for 6 years under certain conditions; or 2. Missouri will give Chancellor Deaton authority to explore realignment and make a decision on his own. I sincerely doubt we announce we're going the SEC tomorrow, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Everyone is looking for special insight. The fact that the curators meeting is in St. Louis tomorrow is particularly odd. One conspiracy theory is that they want some distance from the Columbia media and that St. Louis is more pro-SEC than Kansas City is. If Missouri announces it's going to the SEC tomorrow, the media fury in St. Louis will be much more celebratory. Columbia would be just as celebratory, but it's closer to KC and there's no place to hide in Columbia from all the media. Missouri fans in KC are just as pro-SEC as other Missouri fans, but the KC media would fixate on the impact on the Big 12 tournament leaving town and the Border War rivalry. |
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10-03-2011, 09:30 PM | #5620 | |
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Have heard that Mizzou is pushing for sharing of 3rd tier rights and a 10 year commit from all schools. This whole buyout thing just reeks of instability. While the B12 teams talk of large buyouts to increase 'stability', the SEC has a buyout of $0. That's stability, not this forced 'stability' under a heavy-handed buyout. |
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10-03-2011, 09:45 PM | #5621 | |
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Dola......
This should make for an interesting meeting. Sounds like the athletic department may win the battle with the academics. This poster gets info from the football staff. Also have heard that the high level donors are ready to pledge enough money for the buyout and also give around $150-160M towards a football stadium expansion if the SEC move happens........... Missouri Tigers Athletics :: Mizzou College Sports :: TigerBoard.com :: What I know Quote:
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10-03-2011, 11:23 PM | #5622 |
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I'm nervous until papers are signed, but to say things look good would be a huge understatement! #wvutosec #wvu #sec valleyshook Paul Katt A great rumbling from the North, and the Moonshine beacon is being lit (or just exploded.) Word is the Mountain folk are making a move. Mountaineer ✔ WV Mountaineer Patience everyone.... THE source of all sources is reporting a done deal. Which media outlet will get the leak first? |
10-03-2011, 11:28 PM | #5623 |
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So, is the SEC going for 14 or 16?
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10-03-2011, 11:39 PM | #5624 | |
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Everything I've seen is that WVU gets a spot regardless of what Mizzou decides if they want it. |
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10-03-2011, 11:45 PM | #5625 | |
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Most likely correct. WVU people are hearing Mizzou is staying, but it's not decided for certain yet. If Mizzou decides to go to the SEC then the SEC likely goes after an ACC team to pair with them. News about WVU should start coming out tomorrow or Wednesday. WVU media hasn't been very interested in this story so it's been slow to get out. I'm still in the "I can't believe this is happening" stage and probably will be until it's officially announced. |
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10-04-2011, 05:55 AM | #5626 | |
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This combined with the rumors of a presser from BYU that is supposed to happen Wednesday, makes it all interesting to me..
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10-04-2011, 06:52 AM | #5627 |
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Guys I haven't had time to really check this thread the last few weeks... does Mizzou still hold all the cards?
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10-04-2011, 06:57 AM | #5628 |
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Mizzou will officially announce this afternoon that they are moving to the BigPac10ACC12SEC16 on the first app developed exclusively for the iPhone5.
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10-04-2011, 07:10 AM | #5629 |
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The addition of WVU should greatly improve SEC academics.
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10-04-2011, 08:31 AM | #5630 |
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I'm not sure if many folks care, but the Big East seems to be looking to add Navy and Air Force as football only members. There are also a handful of articles suggesting that Temple, UCF, and SMU are on the radar.
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10-04-2011, 08:34 AM | #5631 |
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Didn't USF's president come out and declare that the Big East would not accept schools from states where they already had members? I don't know if that was edict from the league that they had agreed to, or a way to try to shut down the UCF rumors.
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Reports this morning on local radio.
1. Chuck Neinas flew into St. Louis this morning to meet with Deaton before the Board of Curators meeting. Pretty unorthodox move by a commish if you're 'sure they're staying'. 2. Mike Alden will be in the BOC meeting today. Very rare to see that. Usually just Deaton. Given that Alden is the AD, there are thoughts that the athletic department feels they will get a positive move towards the SEC today. |
10-04-2011, 04:15 PM | #5633 |
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MU BOC meeting is complete. Reporters are expecting comments shortly. Press conference will be streamed on local Columbia website when it begins. Streaming Newscast Edit: TV feed is getting hammered. www.810whb.com might be a better option for good feed. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 10-04-2011 at 05:41 PM. |
10-04-2011, 05:28 PM | #5634 | |
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From Jake Trotter (covers OU on ESPN).....
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10-04-2011, 05:47 PM | #5636 |
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I'm not involved in all that if that's what you're asking. Don't post much there anymore, though I do watch it quite a bit. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 10-04-2011 at 05:48 PM. |
10-04-2011, 05:52 PM | #5637 | |
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I was just wondering. Have never seen Mizzou Basketball Fan post and didn't know if you went by something else. I have been a member there since the days of AOL but find the crowd a bit irrational sometimes. I got mob voted once for saying how good a couple of the 1980's Tiger teams were. Don't really understand the crowd there sometimes. |
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10-04-2011, 06:37 PM | #5638 |
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A view of the LHN from an Oklahoma perspective:
Big 12 administrators should blame Longhorn Network mess on themselves | NewsOK.com
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10-04-2011, 07:06 PM | #5639 |
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Mizzou is all but gone. Permission to consider other conferences granted by board.
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MU Chancellor Deaton steps down as chairman of the Big 12 board of directors.
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10-04-2011, 07:10 PM | #5641 |
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lol at waiting all that time for a press conference to announce they are "exploring their options"
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10-04-2011, 07:10 PM | #5642 |
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So the Mizzou announcement was like a tree falling in the woods? Or the Cardinals are playing? Or it didn't happen? Or they have a Big Ten game this weekend? Or what?
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10-04-2011, 07:12 PM | #5643 | |
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This is a drastic turn by the MU staff. They have repeated the 'proud members' mantra for some time now. Most have said that anything but a 'proud members' comment means that Mizzou is leaving the conference. |
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10-04-2011, 07:13 PM | #5644 |
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Great. FOR WHERE? They'd be total idiots to stay in that dumpster fire conference.
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10-04-2011, 07:13 PM | #5645 | |
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Well I agree with them. They basically said fuck you to OU, OSU, Texas, TTech who tried to leave to Pac-12 and then wanted everyone to pledge to Big 12 once they were rejected. Specifically mentioned in press conference. |
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10-04-2011, 07:23 PM | #5649 |
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If that happens, it's totally going to tip the balance of power in the SEC from an even split with the Bulldogs to the Tigers.
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10-04-2011, 07:26 PM | #5650 | |
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The entire process will take several days. They have to leave the B12, apply to the SEC, be accepted into the SEC, and they officially accept. It's the same process that A&M went through, though it should be much shorter now that the litigation threats shouldn't crop back up. |
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