FBI Opens Investigation into Shooting of Michael Brown

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Also, they're probably not big fans of Lightfoot's response to Ella French's murder, when she tweeted that "guns and the violence they bring" were responsible for Officer French's death, in an obviously callous attempt to deflect blame from the perpetrator to push her anti-firearm political agenda.

I don't think she's a good Mayor but I don't understand why anyone would be upset with what she said. The gun was purchased illegally and she has been very vocal about illegal guns making their way into the city and the hands of dangerous criminals.

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

One final thought: Neither of the officers had their weapons drawn on the perpetrator. This was the very same kind of traffic stop that some people think police should never draw their weapons on. The same kind of traffic stops that are portrayed as acts of racism. The same kind of traffic stops that are portrayed as not dangerous and risk-free.

I don't think anyone says they are risk-free. In fact, a lot of people like myself think we should be doing it much less. We have the technology to mail tickets for minor traffic violations instead of creating a potentially dangerous situation.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I'll agree that the quote from the FOP does come off as whiny. If you're going to make an impactful statement like turning your back on a political leader, you should actually have something to say.

He saves his best stuff for his white nationalist fundraisers.

Also, he doesn't really care about the lives of police officers.

[RainMaker]

Some quality timing after the LAPD ran taxpayer funded security for a violent Proud Boys event.

Guess how many of the good apppes turned in the bad apple?

Watch this LAPD officer wind up and throw a punch at a person on a stretcher being put into an ambulance. This is the kind of culture that exists within @LAPDHQ. Disgusting. pic.twitter.com/VFshCV4L8A

— People's City Council - Los Angeles (@PplsCityCouncil) August 16, 2021

[RainMaker]

Doubt this is allowed in but does end the silly narrative that he was just there to protect some random auto dealership.

Prosecution Digs Up Shocking New Evidence Against Kyle Rittenhouse

[Vegas Vic]

The Capitol Police officer who fatally shot Ashli Babbitt outside a door of the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 riot has been formally exonerated after an internal investigation.

Capitol Police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt exonerated in internal probe

[Lathum]

Good. I guess she should have just listened to the police...

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Good. I guess she should have just listened to the police...

Excellent point!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Excellent point!

It is, but interestingly enough I am seeing lot of people on the right who don't agree with that sentiment.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Lathum

It is, but interestingly enough I am seeing lot of people on the right who don't agree with that sentiment.

It's pretty clear to me. She didn't deserve to die, but when you bull rush police officers you greatly increase your chances of getting killed.

Similarly, if you rob a convenience store, assault the owner, and then bull rush the police officer trying to question you, you don't deserve to die but you greatly increase your chances of getting killed.

[Lathum]

As for her "deserving" to die, eh, what do you think her intentions were if she had gotten through that window? Rationally discuss overturning the election results with Mike Pence despite the fact nothing in the constitution allows that? Have a girl to girl chat with AOC bout the perils of socialism?

[sterlingice]

I watched the video of Babbitt. She was part of the group right outside the doors where Congress down the hall if they got through. She wasn't one of the main instigators of the group but she also wasn't just a bystander in the back. For a few minutes, it was uncertain if they were going to hold that entryway but it was "calmish" for a couple of minutes while one of the nutjobs in the fuzzy hats tried to "good cop" threaten the cops with stuff like "hey, just let us through - I don't know how long I can hold these guys back and you can say we beat you by force" or something to that effect. So he was getting ready to regroup his mob. Four heavily armed guys came up an adjacent stairs to reinforce the position. She thought that change was an opening and she tried and go through the barricade they were clearly trying to guard. And that was the end of her life.

It's "cute" (read: pathetic) watching the Twitter threads trying to false equivalence her to George Floyd and others. One may or may not have passed a fake $20 bill, the other was part of a riot where people had died and was taking place in the seat of government, trying to exert force to overthrow an election. Tomato tomahto, right?

SI

[Flasch186]

Both sides

BS

Stands for a bunch of stuff in this thread


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[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I watched the video of Babbitt. She was part of the group right outside the doors where Congress down the hall if they got through. She wasn't one of the main instigators of the group but she also wasn't just a bystander in the back. For a few minutes, it was uncertain if they were going to hold that entryway but it was "calmish" for a couple of minutes while one of the nutjobs in the fuzzy hats tried to "good cop" threaten the cops with stuff like "hey, just let us through - I don't know how long I can hold these guys back and you can say we beat you by force" or something to that effect. So he was getting ready to regroup his mob. Four heavily armed guys came up an adjacent stairs to reinforce the position. She thought that change was an opening and she tried and go through the barricade they were clearly trying to guard. And that was the end of her life.

It's "cute" (read: pathetic) watching the Twitter threads trying to false equivalence her to George Floyd and others. One may or may not have passed a fake $20 bill, the other was part of a riot where people had died and was taking place in the seat of government, trying to exert force to overthrow an election. Tomato tomahto, right?

SI

Fuck her

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Fuck her

That's the spirit!

[BYU 14]

I really don't have any sympathy for anyone who dies in the commission of crime in which they are trying to hurt others, and I cross all political and racial lines on that. You are looking to bring violence to innocent people and get killed, oh well.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I really don't have any sympathy for anyone who dies in the commission of crime in which they are trying to hurt others, and I cross all political and racial lines on that. You are looking to bring violence to innocent people and get killed, oh well.

I really don't think she was trying to hurt anyone. Maybe I am wrong, but I can give her the benefit of the doubt that she was not there to cause violence. The problem is what happens once she gets in. The officers can't control her and the dozens of people who would follow her. There were people behind her that very definitely would bring violence. Allowing her through then put everyone at risk, which is why shooting her was the only safe thing to do. It is still tragic.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I really don't think she was trying to hurt anyone. Maybe I am wrong, but I can give her the benefit of the doubt that she was not there to cause violence. The problem is what happens once she gets in. The officers can't control her and the dozens of people who would follow her. There were people behind her that very definitely would bring violence. Allowing her through then put everyone at risk, which is why shooting her was the only safe thing to do. It is still tragic.

Potentially not, maybe just caught up in the mob mentality, which becomes like an out of control wild fire. But there was plenty of violence against capitol police that day and regardless of her intention, being in that group, which as you mention, almost assuredly contained people that would have hurt senators if given the chance, she wrote her own ticket.

I wish I could say it was tragic, but in all honesty I have more compassion for the officer that was forced to taker her life to defend the chambers. And as someone who does feel compassion for his fellow humans and does a lot to help others less fortunate, I kind of feel guilty that I can't bring myself to feel sorry for her. But I just can't look at anyone in that mob with anything other than disdain.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I really don't think she was trying to hurt anyone. Maybe I am wrong, but I can give her the benefit of the doubt that she was not there to cause violence. The problem is what happens once she gets in. The officers can't control her and the dozens of people who would follow her. There were people behind her that very definitely would bring violence. Allowing her through then put everyone at risk, which is why shooting her was the only safe thing to do. It is still tragic.

I'm curious why you believe this. Does she get a pass for being a woman or white? She was committing a terrorist attack and had a history or posting violent political rhetoric. She's on video right before the attack talking about bring violence to people.

What more does a person have to do to be considered dangerous? Just feel like if you darkened up her skin and swapped the word storm for jihad, we'd all just assume it was a dead terrorist and move on.

[RainMaker]

In regards to her death, I do think there should have been a thorough investigation that was open to the public. But that should be the case anytime the state kills one of its citizens (rightly or wrongly).

Without transparency, it's impossible to know what was happening. Where were people hiding? How many warnings was she given? How many officers were there? Some of those have been partially answered, but there should have been a large, transparent investigation into the whole thing. I think it likely would have been justified, but why the secrecy?

And I understand that it was Republicans who voted against investigations and the FBI who has treated the terrorist attack as something much less serious. But we should want our government to be as transparent as possible when they take the life of someone.

[GrantDawg]

I don't consider most unarmed women as someone looking to do harm. Race or religion doesn't matter. And as I said, I could be wrong. Maybe she was going to karate chop armed cops to death. What do I know?

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't consider most unarmed women as someone looking to do harm. Race or religion doesn't matter. And as I said, I could be wrong. Maybe she was going to karate chop armed cops to death. What do I know?

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So what do you propose they should have done? Let her through?

[GrantDawg]

Ummmm...you did read my earlier post, right?

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[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't consider most unarmed women as someone looking to do harm. Race or religion doesn't matter. And as I said, I could be wrong. Maybe she was going to karate chop armed cops to death. What do I know?

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I'd argue that being part of a mob makes her dangerous, even if she individually is unarmed. There were a lot of people injured that day even with innocuous things like a flagpole. And the stakes of rushing that door where she tried to go through were extremely high.

As an side - I don't know what to make of the question "deserved to die". That seems like a question I am not really fit to answer. Though, as many have noted in this thread, if she and her fellow rioters looked different, they never would have made it as far as they did and many more would be dead.

SI

[GrantDawg]

Again, I already stated that very fact. I hate that I can't quote anything on this stupid app.

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[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Again, I already stated that very fact. I hate that I can't quote anything on this stupid app.

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Oh sure, blame the app when we're the idiots who can't read

SI

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Oh sure, blame the app when we're the idiots who can't read

SI

Eh, I am not going to judge harshly. It is easy to miss a post on these threads. There are also some people on here really good at finding one little thread in a post and trying to pull it till you are arguing about something that wasn't what you originally were arguing.

[RainMaker]

Incredibly rare to see a prosecutor charged. Since this is on the heels of a civil lawsuit, you have to wonder what the family attorneys dug up that forced the AG's hand.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

He fired all 11,000 of them, and had no problem getting replacements. Last time I checked, people weren't exactly beating down the door to fill all of the vacant police positions across the country. What person in their right mind would want to be a police officer in a large metropolitan area these days?

20% pay increase retroactive over the past 4 years too. Can't figure out why anyone would work for them.

New contract for Chicago police officers advances to City Council - Chicago Sun-Times

[RainMaker]

UPDATE: “Our initial ballistics analysis concluded with near certainty that 4 of the 5 gunshot victims, including eight year old Fanta Bility,(who was killed) were tragically struck by shots fired by the Sharon Hill police officers.” Delco D.A. Grand Jury impaneled @FOX29philly pic.twitter.com/PJmEvYH7mG

— Steve Keeley (@KeeleyFox29) September 27, 2021

[sovereignstar v2]

WTF

https://defector.com/a-teen-with-a-t...talk-about-it/

Realize defector is behind a paywall, but I think you get a free article here and there.

[RainMaker]

Least surprising news ever.

Ed Mullins, bombastic NYPD union chief, resigns amid federal probe

[cuervo72]

Residents fed up with monkey noises, racial slurs being played by neighboring home | WAVY.com

[sterlingice]

In what will come as, well, no surprise, to anyone watching footage from the first few days of the George Floyd protests, a number of Minneapolis police are pretty awful people and didn't even care who saw it on their body cam footage:

Minneapolis Police Caught on Video 'Hunting' Activists - Rolling Stone

And, of course, like, say, the 2008 financial crisis, some of the best investigation comes from a goddamed music magazine because most of the large journalism outlets are too busy chasing other stupid stuff.

The officers’ own body cams record them taking pot shots at largely peaceful protesters, and celebrating their hits with laughter and fist bumps. Cruising in an unmarked cargo van, one officer imitates Elmer Fudd, Bugs Bunny’s cartoon nemesis, saying: “Be vewy vewy quiet. We’re hunting activists.” A police commander used the same language in a recording captured after midnight: “Tonight it was… ‘We’re goin’ out hunting.’ Just a nice change of tempo,” he said, adding: “Fuck these people!’”

In one stark moment caught on a police body cam, a line of cops in the street confronts a small group of protesters on the sidewalk, raising their less-lethal arms, which resemble small shotguns. A female protester yells to the police, “We’re unarmed. What the fuck are we going to do to you? We’re out here peacefully protesting. This is fucking America!” The video then captures explosions near the protesters’ feet. The cop whose body camera is recording then loads and fires, in quick succession, three less-lethal rounds. The third one connects with a targeted protester. “Gotcha!” the cop laughs as another approaches, giggling, to fist-bump him. “Great shot,” adds another.

SI

[RainMaker]

Just a few more bad apples.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I really don't think she was trying to hurt anyone. Maybe I am wrong, but I can give her the benefit of the doubt that she was not there to cause violence. The problem is what happens once she gets in. The officers can't control her and the dozens of people who would follow her. There were people behind her that very definitely would bring violence. Allowing her through then put everyone at risk, which is why shooting her was the only safe thing to do. It is still tragic.

Considering several police officers died as a result of this invasion, she should've been charged as an accessory to murder.

Not only that, but all those jackalopes that stormed with her should be an accessory to her death as well.

I don't feel bad for her at all, she was military, she knew rules and regulations, she stormed the capital as part of a riot.

Notably different then say a black man who follows the orders of a police officer to the T and still gets shot in the back.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Considering several police officers died as a result of this invasion, she should've been charged as an accessory to murder.

Not only that, but all those jackalopes that stormed with her should be an accessory to her death as well.

I don't feel bad for her at all, she was military, she knew rules and regulations, she stormed the capital as part of a riot.

Notably different then say a black man who follows the orders of a police officer to the T and still gets shot in the back.

We have a felony murder charge for a reason. Not saying everyone there should be charged with that, but those who were pushing her through the window definitely should have.

The argument that "she wasn't there to cause violence" does not matter. A group of robbers can rob a convenience store with fake guns and if the store owner shoots one of them, they all get charged with felony murder. The difference is that this is usually only used for those with darker skin tones.

I'm also not sure why she gets a "she wasn't there for the violence" pass. Her social media posts insinuated violence regularly. She had a history of violence in her life. Maybe people are who they say they are. She was a terrorist.

[RainMaker]

Worth mentioning that the government tried to lock up the wife of the Pulse nightclub shooter for life. There was zero evidence she had anything to do with the shooting or had advanced knowledge. The case fell apart spectacularly at trial (she was acquitted).

The government can go hard after terrorists and those around them when they want to. But white terrorists have mostly gotten off easy. You can even go back to the Oklahoma City bombing to see how they sort of swept a bunch of stuff under the rug. Not much different here.

[JPhillips]

Holy shit.

Christina Nance, 29, who was reported missing 2 weeks ago, was found dead inside a police van parked outside the law enforcement offices in Huntsville, Alabama. Now, her family is demanding answers. pic.twitter.com/HwaGpvIMCn

— Lance Cooper (@lmauricecpr) October 14, 2021

[cuervo72]

Interesting that the body was found two days ago and I've heard nothing of it until now. Meanwhile, Petito, Petito, Petito.

[JPhillips]

I'd like some more confirmation of this, but it's all over the internet.

The judge in Kyle Rittenhouse's trial says lawyers cannot call the 2 people he killed "victims."

Rittenhouse killed 2 people and wounded another with an AR-15 style weapon. The judge says "victim" is too "loaded" but will let lawyers call them "rioters, looters or arsonists."

[spleen1015]

Sounds like a but to BS.

I guess calling them "The 2 people Mr. Rittenhouse killed" is ok.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Sounds like a but to BS.

I guess calling them "The 2 people Mr. Rittenhouse killed" is ok.

The defense is allowed to call the people killed rioters and looters however according to the judge. Think I see where this trial is headed.

[RainMaker]

Curious, did he get hit with gun charges? 17 year olds can't open carry in Wisconsin. Also, his Mom transported him across state lines to commit a felony. Has she been charged? AG Barr made a big stink about charging people who cross state lines to cause trouble.

[cuervo72]

I'm surprised they could legally call them looters or arsonists. Don't you need to be convicted of something to be called that?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

I'm surprised they could legally call them looters or arsonists. Don't you need to be convicted of something to be called that?

I was surprised he got bail. Can't remember a mass shooter ever getting bail. So that was probably a sign from the start something was up.

[Ksyrup]

It's been a while since I read through it, but the NYT did a very thorough, almost second-by-second analysis of all of the video of the shootings and the surrounding circumstances, and I recall coming away from that narrative expecting him to be found not guilty.

[GrantDawg]

Follow up on the body found in the van: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/18/10471...m_term=nprnews

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[BYU 14]

11 of 12 jurors in the Ahmaud Arbery murder trial are white, despite 27% of the population in that area being black. I would hope that will not be a factor, but it is for sure a bad look if the defendants are acquitted, though based on evidence known, I am not sure how that happens

[HerRealName]

A juror in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial was dismissed for apparently telling a racist joke to a court police officer. This fucking country...

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

A juror in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial was dismissed for apparently telling a racist joke to a court police officer. This fucking country...

Surprised the piece of work judge in that trial did not immediately promote them to foreman.