If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

“I didn’t take the documents, but if I did take the documents they weren’t classified, and if they were classified, they were planted, and if they weren’t, I declassified them, and if I didn’t then it’s a hoax, and if it isn’t, then everyone brings home their work from time to time.”

That's true, isn't it? Were they planted, or did he declassify them? Because if they were planted, he wouldn't have had to declassify them.

[Ksyrup]

He declassified all the plants before he left.

[Lathum]

SO apparently either by mistake because they were in a box, or hopefully on purpose (more likely) the FBI took Trumps passports.

I am warming up..

[NobodyHere]

I can easily see a person storing their passport in the same place that they are storing their classified government documents.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I can easily see a person storing their passport in the same place that they are storing their classified government documents.

I can as well, but I would also assume the FBI would review and catalogue the contents prior to removal.

[albionmoonlight]

Or he's just lying

[Thomkal]

This is interesting-the same magistrate who OK'ed the warrants on Mar-a-Lago also approved a warrant on a an unrelated to this search matter:


https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...67998971224066

[GrantDawg]

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— mike luckovich (@mluckovichajc) August 15, 2022

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

This is interesting-the same magistrate who OK'ed the warrants on Mar-a-Lago also approved a warrant on a an unrelated to this search matter:


https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...67998971224066

It could easily have been a warrant on a completely unrelated case.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

It could easily have been a warrant on a completely unrelated case.

Yeah that does seem to be what the DOJ is saying about that.


Also: Lindsay lost another appeal to testify in GA
Also: Rudy is now a target of the investigation in GA

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Or he's just lying

This should be the default position.

NEW: According to a DOJ official, the FBI is NOT in possession of former President Trump's passports. Trump had accused the FBI of stealing his three passports during the search of his Mar-a-Lago home.

— Norah O'Donnell 🇺🇸 (@NorahODonnell) August 15, 2022

[albionmoonlight]

This is probably not what happened, but I wonder if Trump is making noises about “why don’t I just go to Moscow for a while.” And someone in his inner circle does not want him to and told him that he did not have his passports.

[henry296]

Why would he have 3 passports?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by henry296

Why would he have 3 passports?

One expired, one civilian, one government official.

[Ksyrup]

Trump didn't realize they got his passports quickly enough, so after they were offered back under normal protocols, he decided to publicize it as if they "stole" them and had yet returned them. What a piece of shit.

So Trump team now publicizing this email, which shows:

1) DOJ obtained three passports (two expired, not one, as Trump said) and alerted Trump lawyers
2) They were recovered by a filter team, which weeds out privileged info.
3) Trump publicized this after DOJ offered them back pic.twitter.com/lz8wneIQ0a

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) August 15, 2022

[albionmoonlight]

I guess it is DOJ protocol, but it is interesting that they refer to him as President Trump.

[Ksyrup]

Something in the water in NC. I just saw a clip of a Madison Cawthorn clone running for office who was talking about critics calling us a banana republic and he legit thought it referred to the store. Holy shit these people are morons.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

He declassified all the plants before he left.

are they animals now?

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Something in the water in NC. I just saw a clip of a Madison Cawthorn clone running for office who was talking about critics calling us a banana republic and he legit thought it referred to the store. Holy shit these people are morons.

[Atocep]

So reportedly the Map Trump drew on with a sharpie was among the stuff that was seized. I honestly think that points to the likelihood that Trump planned on selling at least some of that stuff off at some point.

[flere-imsaho]

Hey, it was memorabilia that put OJ behind bars....

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Hey, it was memorabilia that put OJ behind bars....

Yep, and income tax evasion for Al Capone.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Atocep

So reportedly the Map Trump drew on with a sharpie was among the stuff that was seized. I honestly think that points to the likelihood that Trump planned on selling at least some of that stuff off at some point.

Of course he was. He's a grifter always looking for every opportunity to make a quick buck at the expense of somebody else.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Atocep

So reportedly the Map Trump drew on with a sharpie was among the stuff that was seized. I honestly think that points to the likelihood that Trump planned on selling at least some of that stuff off at some point.

I'll actually be surprised if Trump didn't use a sharpie write "DECLASSIFIED" on a sticky note and attach that to the documents.

[NobodyHere]

Eric Trump accidentally shares WiFi network and password during whiny Fox News appearance

[RainMaker]

It is quite impressive how much crime rich white folks can openly get away with.

Pro-Trump tech team copied Georgia election data, records show

[Flasch186]

The best part of trump’s 4 years in office is you literally now the crimes he and his tribe committed by just looking at what he’s accused others of doing.


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[RainMaker]

He openly admits it in speeches.

Meanwhile, can't figure out why they were so aggressive in this case years ago.

Georgia election fraud case ends in acquittal

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

The best part of trump’s 4 years in office is you literally now the crimes he and his tribe committed by just looking at what he’s accused others of doing.


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We're like 3 days away from finding out that he was secretly born in Kenya.

[GrantDawg]

Liz Chaney has lost her primary.

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Liz Chaney has lost her primary.

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Not at all surprising. Her next move is what will be interesting.

[Lathum]

dola-

It does illustrate how broken we are. Voted with Trump 90+ percent of the time. Not good enough

[Atocep]

So is Oz, Vance, or Herschel Walker the biggest disaster of a Senate candidate so far?

I can't imagine the level of hatred McConnell feels for Trump right now, but he'd still vote for him without hesitation if he won the GOP nomination.

[Lathum]

Walker would just be next level embarrassing for the country as a senator.

[Atocep]

Schrödinger's Treason:

When you didn't take, accidentally took, innocently used, declassified and then took, took and then declassified, the documents that you never took and were illicitly planted in your house by the FBI - all simultaneously.

— David Reiss, M.D. (@DMRDynamics) August 13, 2022

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dola-

It does illustrate how broken we are. Voted with Trump 90+ percent of the time. Not good enough

Cheney was the 3rd most powerful republican in the House until she voted to impeach Trump. She could have been Speaker of the House, if she had just kept her mouth shut and buried her head up Trump's ass like the other spineless, mealy-mouthed, flip-flopping Trump sycophants (e.g. Lindsey Graham). However, she exemplified John F. Kennedy’s definition of a profile in courage: “In whatever arena of life one may meet the challenge of courage, whatever may be the sacrifices he faces if he follows his conscience — the loss of his friends, his fortune, his contentment, even the esteem of his fellow men — each man must decide for himself the course he will follow.”

She will be fondly remembered by tens of millions of patriotic Americans who can breathe easier now knowing that Trump will never come close to the office of the Presidency again.

[GrantDawg]

I'm still convinced Trump has some serious dirt on Graham.

[Ksyrup]

I hope she runs for president as a third party. I and I hope enough center-right voters would vote for her to give Biden or whomever on the D side the win. It's the best (only?) way to demonstrate to the GOP that Trumpism ain't the way to victory. But it would require an important number of GOP "defectors" in the right states, not just 15-20% of the general electorate.

[Lathum]

I just heard on the radio Pence is now considering testifying to the Jan 6th committee.

[Ksyrup]

Has anyone seen a semi-reliable percentage of GOP primary voters who were likely crossovers? I'm just curious if Cheney's 30% was really closer to 25% of true GOPers, or below 20%. Since you could change your party affiliation the day of the primary in WY, that makes it much easier than in some states to organize a crossover vote.

[Ksyrup]

Interesting poll of Latinos regarding abortion. It typically polled at 2-3% in terms of importance and is now a top 5 issue, with around 20% ranking it in the top 3 issues. Most importantly, 70%+ said abortion should be legal regardless of their personal beliefs on the issue.

Poll: Abortion enters top 5 Latino issues - POLITICO

[Thomkal]

I've always thought Cheney did what she did in part because she could then be the one who picked up the pieces of her party, along with her fellow R on the Jan 6 committee whose name I can't spell as VP. I can't see her doing that right now unless she goes Independent

[Flasch186]

I’d vote for her because she’s a fuckin hero


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[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I've always thought Cheney did what she did in part because she could then be the one who picked up the pieces of her party, along with her fellow R on the Jan 6 committee whose name I can't spell as VP. I can't see her doing that right now unless she goes Independent

Adam Kinzinger, who I know because he's a Rep from Illinois.

I think she's part of a vestigal GOP wing that thinks the Trump stuff is still just a fever dream and when it passes they can capitalize.

We'll see. Seems unlikely.

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I’d vote for her because she’s a fuckin hero

Her stance on almost every policy position is diametrically opposed to yours, based on your posts over the years, Flasch.

[GrantDawg]

I can't imagine a way she could possibly win a Republican nomination, and I really don't think she helps Dems as a third party candidate.

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[Flasch186]

Flere

I’m aware but if saving the republic from DT means voting for her I will absolutely do so in a heart beat


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[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I can't imagine a way she could possibly win a Republican nomination, and I really don't think she helps Dems as a third party candidate.

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This is something I was thinking about after making my post above regarding crossovers. I think she only helps Dems if Trump runs. I also think there could be a small percentage of moderate Dems/recent GOP defectors who might prefer to vote for her over Biden (due to age) or anyone else the Dems might put up (due to being too far left or uninspiring, or not ready for primetime). Which could hurt the Dem nominee, but likely not enough to overcome the dent I think she could put in Trump's vote count. But again, it really only matters in a handful of states, so...

If DeSantis is the nominee, unfortunately I think a decent portion of anti-Trump sentiment that could result in a 3rd party vote goes away. I don't think there's enough true Never Trump sentiment to infect most other nominees. I know people talk big on Twitter about never voting for Trump or anyone who has enabled Trump, but to me, until I see proof to the contrary, I'm lumping a lot of those people in with the people who stopped watching the NFL because players were kneeling, or stopped watching any sport because of a strike. It's something people say but rarely act on.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Adam Kinzinger, who I know because he's a Rep from Illinois.

I think she's part of a vestigal GOP wing that thinks the Trump stuff is still just a fever dream and when it passes they can capitalize.

We'll see. Seems unlikely.



Her stance on almost every policy position is diametrically opposed to yours, based on your posts over the years, Flasch.

I think if/when Trump gets indicted/found guilty for his actions in GA or Mar-a-Lago, it will finally wake up all but the farthest/craziest of the Republican right and they will start coming back to the fold, but if they do, I think any of them shouldn't be let back in the Party until they swear a new loyalty oath and totally turn their back on Trump.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I think if/when Trump gets indicted/found guilty for his actions in GA or Mar-a-Lago, it will finally wake up all but the farthest/craziest of the Republican right and they will start coming back to the fold, but if they do, I think any of them shouldn't be let back in the Party until they swear a new loyalty oath and totally turn their back on Trump.

What have any of these people shown you that they have the capacity to wake up?

Him being found guilty will make him in to more of a martyr for thee people then Jesus.

[whomario]

The problem going forward isn't Trump, the problem is the policies and dismantling of democratic institutions he brought and promises to bring. Which isn't much different than what a DeSantis will do. And Cheney seems close enough herself, no ? Maybe more subtle but i doubt you will see her decrying gerrymandering , erosion of certain rights and subverting government agencies. Or am i wrong ?

Btw there's also independents (at least on paper) running on the batshit crazy platform:

Betsy Johnson is a former Democrat running as an independent/spoiler-to-help-the-Republicans in the 2022 gubernatorial race. Her hiring decisions seem to have been what one would expect from such a politician. https://t.co/PrvuRrIFIe

— Seth Cotlar (@SethCotlar) August 17, 2022

And Canada apparently has crazy people as well:

‘QAnon Queen’ Romana Didulo Told Followers to Citizen's Arrest Ontario Police

Early Saturday afternoon, Didulo’s convoy and other believers, many of them livestreaming, gathered near the Peterborough Police department. Chattering excitedly among themselves, they marched down to the police station and readied themselves to arrest some cops. Upon walking up to the entrance, however, the group encountered a problem that not even their queen could solve for them: a locked door.

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Video from the event shows Curtin confronting an off-duty officer in a vehicle and telling him “we’re placing you under arrest” before immediately being arrested by police officers himself.

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And in royal tradition, the queen attempted to distance herself from the event she promoted and threw her followers under the bus. In a livestream from the RV with hundreds of viewers, she said she’d only come to watch.

“A gentle reminder that Her Royal Majesty Queen Romana Didulo Commander-in-Chief and Queen of the Kingdom of Canada was in Peterborough Ontario yesterday as an observer NOT participant,” she wrote Sunday.