WW 100: Game over! - Page 12

hoopsguy · 01-13-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I've been thinking.

To me, the fact that nobody has come out as the Vengeful God makes me suspect that role belongs to a wolf. If I had it as a villager I would have broadcasted the hell out of it.

So, I've used my role. What's stopping me from making consecutive votes on everyone and seeing who blows me up?

Interested to hear thoughts on this before I decide to try it or not.

My first thought is that you are doing the wolves a favor by not making them come kill you. I would like having you around later in the game as a villager; you make good decisions when there is potentially actionable info on the table.

I'm inclined to agree with the Vengeful God thing; that it is pro-village to share that info early. But if it was someone besides you/Lathum looking for this info, I would be suspicious that it is a wolf trying to flush out a role that is dangerous for them. That is still on the table for you two, but I'm probably 85-90% sure you guys are both villagers.

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I've been thinking.

To me, the fact that nobody has come out as the Vengeful God makes me suspect that role belongs to a wolf. If I had it as a villager I would have broadcasted the hell out of it.

So, I've used my role. What's stopping me from making consecutive votes on everyone and seeing who blows me up?

Interested to hear thoughts on this before I decide to try it or not.

I suppose it prevents us from losing the seer accidentally, but costs us a villager. It would be a great move if the seer hasn't scanned you yet as it would clear Lathum as well. If they are a wolf they'll probably reveal to avoid the axe, but we at least take away that danger. Or they pretend they didn't know anything about it, let you die and then reveal.

I'm not sure, depends how scared we are about the role. It would make sense to insist that player reveal though I think. There's just too slim a chance of catching a wolf with it.

dubb93 · 01-13-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

So, I've used my role. What's stopping me from making consecutive votes on everyone and seeing who blows me up?

Interested to hear thoughts on this before I decide to try it or not.

Before I tried this I'd have to be 100% sure that the vengeful god was a wolf.

hoopsguy · 01-13-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

hmmmm...cleared by stupidity....not sure how to take that

except that the werewolves will probably gank me now. Thanks a lot

I've cleared for more stupid stuff than this

Seriously, we all get to figure out why we want to trust above/below the norm for everyone, and my argument here may not hold sway with others. Or with me much later in the game. But it is good enough for today.

CrimsonFox · 01-13-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I will look at PB being bad next, so nobody get their panties in a bunch please.

*irons his panties*

There are still lots of silence from people. Almost makes me thin that the best strategy as a wolf is to say nothing and let the fish eat each other.

path12 · 01-13-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

(346) – Autumn votes Kwhit (Kwhit 4, CrimsonFox 3, PurdueBrad 3, EagleFan 2, J23 1, dubb93 1, saldana 1)
(349) – Kwhit votes saldana (Kwhit 4, CrimsonFox 3, PurdueBrad 3, EagleFan 2, saldana 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(350) – PurdueBrad unvotes CrimsonFox (Kwhit 4, PurdueBrad 3, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, saldana 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(361) – CrimsonFox unvotes PurdueBrad, votes saldana (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, J23 1, dubb93 1)
(363) – PurdueBrad votes J23 (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, J23 2, dubb93 1)
(366) – path12 votes J23 (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, J23 3, PurdueBrad 2, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 2, dubb93 1)
(368) – RealDeal unvotes EagleFan, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 4, saldana 3, J23 3, PurdueBrad 3, CrimsonFox 2, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(384) – Lathum unvotes CrimsonFox, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 4, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 3, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(386) – Schmidty votes Kwhit (Kwhit 5, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 3, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(399) – PurdueBrad unvotes J23, votes Kwhit (Kwhit 6, PurdueBrad 4, saldana 3, J23 2, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)
(402) – Kwhit unvotes saldana, votes PurdueBrad (Kwhit 6, PurdueBrad 5, saldana 2, J23 2, CrimsonFox 1, EagleFan 1, dubb93 1)

Looking at it again, let's assume PB was bad. If so it was a litlte bit ballsy to unvote CF at the beginning of this section. He goes J23 instead, and Path helps make that a viable option. CF backs off of PB, which makes it seem he's in the clear. PB then gets two sudden votes and is right up on top. Schmidty saves PB's bacon and then PB moves his vote to KWhit and pads that out.

When it was 4-4, Kwhit and PB still had their votes to move, so would cancel each other out. PB had to depend on others then. If he was bad, Schmidty obviously would be the guy to look at next.

There's nothing as odd in this stretch of voting if you imagine PB is bad. NOT THAT THAT NECESSARILY MEANS ANYTHING.

I kind of get a better feeling about PB after reading that, just because of the move to unvote CF. He had no idea I or anyone else would follow on J23 (though I did say I had suspicions of a group he was part of). I think the wolfier thing would be to try and cement the vote on CF.

Unless CF is bad as well. But even then the sequence is kind of funky.

hoopsguy · 01-13-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

*irons his panties*

There are still lots of silence from people. Almost makes me thin that the best strategy as a wolf is to say nothing and let the fish eat each other.

This is something that I (and several others) have lamented over the years. It has also spawned, at different times, a "lynch the quiet ones!" philosophy that is kind of harsh but is intended to drive people to post in the thread more.

path12 · 01-13-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Before I tried this I'd have to be 100% sure that the vengeful god was a wolf.

Can you think of a reason that role wouldn't reveal as a villager? Only thing I can think of is in order to try and lure wolves onto them to vote, but that's a pretty big stretch IMO.

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I kind of get a better feeling about PB after reading that, just because of the move to unvote CF. He had no idea I or anyone else would follow on J23 (though I did say I had suspicions of a group he was part of). I think the wolfier thing would be to try and cement the vote on CF.

Unless CF is bad as well. But even then the sequence is kind of funky.

Yeah, both the main candidates made moves that werne't in their best interest if just trying to get out of a vote. Unless they were both bad, which is in the realm of possibility. I'm inclined to think that we should hope the seer checks these guys out, as I hate to vote on the assumption that we had a group of 2-3 wolves in the running yesterday.

PurdueBrad · 01-13-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I will look at PB being bad next, so nobody get their panties in a bunch please.

Nobody told me we were required to wear underwear, so technically my panties are just in a bunch on the bedroom floor.

Actually, I like Autumn's analysis. It in no way clears me, but looking at my play, I feel very comfortable that most will see it for what it was. If Hoops wants to continue to push for yesterday's candidates so be it, lynchings smile at us all, sometimes all we can do is smile back.

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Can you think of a reason that role wouldn't reveal as a villager? Only thing I can think of is in order to try and lure wolves onto them to vote, but that's a pretty big stretch IMO.

I think players like going for the big play. So I could imagine a villager holding mum just because it would be "awesome" to catch a wolf this way. I agree it's not a good play, but we've seen similar ones.

hoopsguy · 01-13-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I kind of get a better feeling about PB after reading that, just because of the move to unvote CF. He had no idea I or anyone else would follow on J23 (though I did say I had suspicions of a group he was part of). I think the wolfier thing would be to try and cement the vote on CF.

Unless CF is bad as well. But even then the sequence is kind of funky.

Disagree with this one a bit. You had indicated that you suspected the voters on PB. There was a reasonable expectation that you would follow him to whatever one he picked and then he can see where the chips fall after that.

FWIW, right now I think that J23 was the right candidate of the three - me, CF, or J23 - to pick for moving the vote. But he wasn't going to vote for me because he had done it yesterday so he was picking between two candidates. And you had already indicated that you were looking for an alternate candidate than CF, as you had already voted/unvoted him.

I think he made the play he thought was best to bring you along that put him at the least amount of risk. I actually think this was pretty wolfy when I read it.

CrimsonFox · 01-13-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

This is something that I (and several others) have lamented over the years. It has also spawned, at different times, a "lynch the quiet ones!" philosophy that is kind of harsh but is intended to drive people to post in the thread more.

It's a totally valid strategy in the RL game for sure. If they don't help at all and don't talk at all then they are a hindrance, whether a wolf or not.
Taking them out early is very good practice. If we're going to end up lynching a villager anyway may as well be an unhelpful one.

Which means henry, ntn, jackal, EF, and anyone else I've already forgot....PLEASE SAY SOMETHING!

J23 · 01-13-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I kind of get a better feeling about PB after reading that, just because of the move to unvote CF. He had no idea I or anyone else would follow on J23 (though I did say I had suspicions of a group he was part of). I think the wolfier thing would be to try and cement the vote on CF.

Unless CF is bad as well. But even then the sequence is kind of funky.

He also had already voted CF earlier that day and could have feared the Vengeful God role. It seems to be affecting a lot of our voting (I know I'm more gunshy because of it). That also may be the reason people haven't gone back to the candidates from earlier days.

path12 · 01-13-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

*irons his panties*

There are still lots of silence from people. Almost makes me thin that the best strategy as a wolf is to say nothing and let the fish eat each other.

Votes tell, eventually. But this is also why people like Autumn are so valuable, whether or not you think it makes them suspicious. I don't always get where he's coming from, but if I'm down to a choice between who is active and someone who isn't I'll almost always go for the latter. Unless I'm a wolf. Or trying not to be predictable. Or something else.

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 03:36 PM

I'm thinking it's the wisest time to reveal, since I'm the leading vote getter right now. I am the Vampire, which is a good role, but unfortunately one that is probably impossible to demonstrably prove. I'd be happy to trade myself for a wolf if they want to counter reveal though. So I will reveal early enough in the day that no one can say they didn't have time, and so that people can move their votes in a rational fashion.

I wanted to hang on as long as I could before revealing, but no sense ruining a day of voting just to demonstrate that some people thought I was a wolf.

path12 · 01-13-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Disagree with this one a bit. You had indicated that you suspected the voters on PB. There was a reasonable expectation that you would follow him to whatever one he picked and then he can see where the chips fall after that.

FWIW, right now I think that J23 was the right candidate of the three - me, CF, or J23 - to pick for moving the vote. But he wasn't going to vote for me because he had done it yesterday so he was picking between two candidates. And you had already indicated that you were looking for an alternate candidate than CF, as you had already voted/unvoted him.

I think he made the play he thought was best to bring you along that put him at the least amount of risk. I actually think this was pretty wolfy when I read it.

This could be true, I was certainly trying to single out J23 (though was also interested in seeing more about how people were viewing you). I've been thinking of CF as novice, but now that he has talked about playing offline it makes me reconsider your thoughts about finding out about him sooner rather than later.

PurdueBrad · 01-13-2010, 03:41 PM

There is a consistent push, albeit subtle enough to keep it from being damning, from Hoops to push me out. My vote is a return to my day 1 vote, this time with the reasoning that he is pushing to lynch my only known good guy (me). If this turns it into a me vs. Hoops showdown tonight, so be it.

The only sticking point, that makes me want to choose one of two others, is that Hoops is still publicly pushing to lynch me which could/would come back to haunt him if he were a wolf. But here's my vote, although I will move if needed in order for it to be relevant.

vote Hoopsguy

path12 · 01-13-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm thinking it's the wisest time to reveal, since I'm the leading vote getter right now. I am the Vampire, which is a good role, but unfortunately one that is probably impossible to demonstrably prove. I'd be happy to trade myself for a wolf if they want to counter reveal though. So I will reveal early enough in the day that no one can say they didn't have time, and so that people can move their votes in a rational fashion.

I wanted to hang on as long as I could before revealing, but no sense ruining a day of voting just to demonstrate that some people thought I was a wolf.

Did you control someone's vote yesterday?

CrimsonFox · 01-13-2010, 03:42 PM

BTW the reason I voted for PurdueBrad in the first place. Was that after the Lathum/path combo voted for me, he jumped on board. (although he wasn't the only one. And of course since he had a lot of votes, I voted for him to up his total. Him voting for me was convenient in trying to save himself, but I think I wasn't THAT much in trouble yet until he voted for me. Seems suspicious.

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Did you control someone's vote yesterday?

No, I did not. I have control of someone's vote today, but I will not say who at this point as I don't think that's wise.

dubb93 · 01-13-2010, 03:48 PM

I'm going to wait a little bit for a counter reveal against Autumn and if there is none I will be moving my vote. Not real sure where my vote will go, most likely back to Saldana, with the plus that if I end up dead from that vote that will we know 100% that Saldana is the vengeful god and most likely a wolf.

path12 · 01-13-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

BTW the reason I voted for PurdueBrad in the first place. Was that after the Lathum/path combo voted for me, he jumped on board. (although he wasn't the only one. And of course since he had a lot of votes, I voted for him to up his total. Him voting for me was convenient in trying to save himself, but I think I wasn't THAT much in trouble yet until he voted for me. Seems suspicious.

If you put a vote on him to up his total to match yours, why would you find it suspicious that he put a vote on the leader at the time to put some distance between himself and that leader?

path12 · 01-13-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

No, I did not. I have control of someone's vote today, but I will not say who at this point as I don't think that's wise.

What about day 1? Or am I reading the every 2 cycles thing wrong?

path12 · 01-13-2010, 03:52 PM

Dola, I have no issue with you not saying who at this point.

RealDeal · 01-13-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

huh? Don't follow. Lovehate guy does what?

And Darth why are you voting for Realdeal. You said you want to vote for autumn and throw a blind vote to realdeal. None of your voting has made sense.

I agree Crimson, makes no sense to me either. First, the reasons Eaglefan uses to justify a vote for me don't seem to have anything to do with that I might be a wolf.

Second, I'm not sure how I could "orchestrate" voting for or against me. The vote count against me will be adjusted by whether or not the person is on my love or hate list, but I don't have any ability to control who votes for me. I wish I had that sort of power. My role is frankly dumb, which is why I revealed it.

Eaglefan is a highly experienced player, so this contorted reasoning is beyond odd to me.

Right now, my list of folks from which I will choose my vote is the following: EF, PB and Kwhit. We had two suspects last night, there was a tie, neither got lynched, and so far both those guys are skating free right now. Very short attention span we have.

RealDeal · 01-13-2010, 04:10 PM

I will say this, though, just to further rattle Eaglefan's grill: Eaglefan is one of the two people I am aware of so far who are on my love list, so he is incapable of having his vote counted against me.

Lathum · 01-13-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I don't like the overanalysis of "late moves". Remeber that this is an online game and everyone is not online the whole time due to life, school, family, work, etc.

yeah Hoops, god, sometimes you just don't think.

CrimsonFox · 01-13-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RealDeal

Very short attention span we have.

Welcome to the game of werewolf

saldana · 01-13-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I'm going to wait a little bit for a counter reveal against Autumn and if there is none I will be moving my vote. Not real sure where my vote will go, most likely back to Saldana, with the plus that if I end up dead from that vote that will we know 100% that Saldana is the vengeful god and most likely a wolf.

ahh Dubb, my old friend....i of course remember you...[/ricardomontalbanvoice]

i can assure you that you will not die if you vote for me, and I can also assure you that neither will I.

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

What about day 1? Or am I reading the every 2 cycles thing wrong?

I saved my ability for day two. I was actually hoping to use it on Granny to create a CoT that way, but then I found out from Danny that the other person wouldn't know that their vote is controlled. Then Granny died.

Lathum · 01-13-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i can assure you that you will not die if you vote for me, and I can also assure you that neither will I.

Governor?

path12 · 01-13-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Governor?

I thought Survivor but that would work as well.

hoopsguy · 01-13-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

There is a consistent push, albeit subtle enough to keep it from being damning, from Hoops to push me out. My vote is a return to my day 1 vote, this time with the reasoning that he is pushing to lynch my only known good guy (me). If this turns it into a me vs. Hoops showdown tonight, so be it.

The only sticking point, that makes me want to choose one of two others, is that Hoops is still publicly pushing to lynch me which could/would come back to haunt him if he were a wolf. But here's my vote, although I will move if needed in order for it to be relevant.

vote Hoopsguy

I don't think I've been all that subtle, actually. I think you are a wolf, but I would be running a risk voting for anyone a second time. I'm not sure enough that I'm going to make that bet just yet. But I'm hoping that you are scanned sooner rather than later.

This "Vengeful God" thing, and the less discussed "Gladiator" are really cramping my game a little bit in terms of putting pressure on people in the thread. I know that me blowing up or getting dueled = -1 villager, and I don't know that I'm getting a 1:1 trade in the process. Which is frustrating, as I would absolutely take 1:1 if given the chance. But I haven't really worked out what % of certainty (70%, maybe?) that I would consider it worth the risk.

Lathum · 01-13-2010, 05:01 PM

dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

Lathum · 01-13-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I thought Survivor but that would work as well.

true.

CrimsonFox · 01-13-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Governor?

I would say Survivor. So I think saldana just prevented himself from being wolfattacked. Then again, he is a wolf so he was already immune to that

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

They're not necessarily a villager, I don't think.

dubb93 · 01-13-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

Eh, fine with me. That would be my role.

dubb93 · 01-13-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

They're not necessarily a villager, I don't think.

And I am most definately a villager.

dubb93 · 01-13-2010, 05:10 PM

Unvote Autumn

path12 · 01-13-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

way to kill my awesome role wolves

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Eh, fine with me. That would be my role.

Interesting. I had taken Jackal's comment after N1 to mean that he was the Whiny Bitch.

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

And I am most definately a villager.

I just want to make clear that the Whiny Bitch is not a role that is automatically good. But Dubb says he is ;-)

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Interesting. I had taken Jackal's comment after N1 to mean that he was the Whiny Bitch.

I think he meant he added The Borg idea to the game.

CrimsonFox · 01-13-2010, 05:29 PM

Does the vengeful god role work immediately when you cast the vote? OR is it saved for the deadline and the overnight stuff?

Autumn · 01-13-2010, 05:29 PM

I didn't get a chance to decide on a vote before dinner. I will vote later, before deadline of course.

Lathum · 01-13-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I think he meant he added The Borg idea to the game.

yeah, I think he met that also.

The Jackal · 01-13-2010, 05:30 PM

I did mean about my Borg idea, they killed Lathum that night and he was my created character and I was pissed!

CrimsonFox · 01-13-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Here's my role, open for tweaking depending on how the balance looks next week.

Borg: Starts the game off as neutral. If targeted at night by any action other than a NK, turns that player into a Borg. The affected player will have their memory wiped and will not know they have been converted, nor think anything malicious happened. Only the original Borg has this power. If at any time the Borg outnumber other players, the Borg win.

Yup here's proof of that. Jackal was merely complaining that the wolves destroyed the person with his role before he got to use it.

path12 · 01-13-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I think he meant he added The Borg idea to the game.

Oh, OK. I didn't keep track of any of that pregame stuff.

01-13-2010, 03:52 PM	#575
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Dola, I have no issue with you not saying who at this point. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

01-13-2010, 03:36 PM	#566
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I'm thinking it's the wisest time to reveal, since I'm the leading vote getter right now. I am the Vampire, which is a good role, but unfortunately one that is probably impossible to demonstrably prove. I'd be happy to trade myself for a wolf if they want to counter reveal though. So I will reveal early enough in the day that no one can say they didn't have time, and so that people can move their votes in a rational fashion. I wanted to hang on as long as I could before revealing, but no sense ruining a day of voting just to demonstrate that some people thought I was a wolf.

01-13-2010, 03:41 PM	#568
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	There is a consistent push, albeit subtle enough to keep it from being damning, from Hoops to push me out. My vote is a return to my day 1 vote, this time with the reasoning that he is pushing to lynch my only known good guy (me). If this turns it into a me vs. Hoops showdown tonight, so be it. The only sticking point, that makes me want to choose one of two others, is that Hoops is still publicly pushing to lynch me which could/would come back to haunt him if he were a wolf. But here's my vote, although I will move if needed in order for it to be relevant. vote Hoopsguy

01-13-2010, 03:42 PM	#570
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	BTW the reason I voted for PurdueBrad in the first place. Was that after the Lathum/path combo voted for me, he jumped on board. (although he wasn't the only one. And of course since he had a lot of votes, I voted for him to up his total. Him voting for me was convenient in trying to save himself, but I think I wasn't THAT much in trouble yet until he voted for me. Seems suspicious.

01-13-2010, 04:10 PM	#577
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I will say this, though, just to further rattle Eaglefan's grill: Eaglefan is one of the two people I am aware of so far who are on my love list, so he is incapable of having his vote counted against me.

01-13-2010, 05:01 PM	#585
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- Does anyone see a reason why the whiney bitch shouldn't reveal? After day 1 their ability is useless and the basically becoe a vanilla villager, but if they are lying there can be a counter.

01-13-2010, 05:29 PM	#595
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Does the vengeful god role work immediately when you cast the vote? OR is it saved for the deadline and the overnight stuff?

01-13-2010, 05:29 PM	#596
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I didn't get a chance to decide on a vote before dinner. I will vote later, before deadline of course.

01-13-2010, 05:30 PM	#598
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I did mean about my Borg idea, they killed Lathum that night and he was my created character and I was pissed!

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