Werewolf CLXVI - The Drenai Saga (GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS!)

[britrock88]

I'll start working on a tally.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Font and Zinto are 2-for-2 in lynching good guys.

I noticed this as well.

[The Jackal]

Bumping Vote Count:

2 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (516), Grover (539)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (526)

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

Font and Zinto are 2-for-2 in lynching good guys.

In fact, Zinto hasn't cast one vote for anyone not lynched (stayed on GE D1, stayed on Raven D2).

[britrock88]

Time	Post	Voter   	Type	Votee   	Count
21:21	264	EagleFan	vote	Saldana 	1
21:27	267	JAG     	vote	Zinto   	1
22:39	271	Path12  	vote	Grover  	1
8:43	279	Cheekimonk	vote	Suicane75	1
9:31	285	Timmae  	vote	Suicane75	2
10:32	290	Suicane75	vote	EagleFan	1
11:16	304	Britrock88	vote	Fontisian	1
12:10	312	Grover  	vote	Fontisian	2
12:42	314	Fontisian	vote	Grover  	2
13:16	328	Grover  	unvote	Fontisian	1
13:26	330	Raven   	vote	Fontisian	2
13:26	331	Britrock88	unvote	Fontisian	1
13:26	331	Britrock88	vote	Suicane75	3
14:14	341	EagleFan	unvote	Saldana 	0
14:14	341	EagleFan	vote	Grover  	3
14:15	342	HomerSimpson98	vote	Raven   	1
14:17	344	Grover  	vote	Suicane75	4
16:07	354	Saldana 	vote	Fontisian	2
16:21	356	Chief Rum	vote	Suicane75	5
17:23	359	EagleFan	unvote	Grover  	2
17:23	359	EagleFan	vote	Timmae  	1
18:01	366	JAG     	unvote	Zinto   	0
18:08	367	Suicane75	unvote	EagleFan	0
18:08	367	Suicane75	vote	Grover  	3
19:06	384	EagleFan	unvote	Timmae  	0
19:08	387	Zinto   	vote	Raven   	2
19:19	394	Timmae  	unvote	Suicane75	4
19:23	396	Fontisian	unvote	Grover  	2
19:37	401	Chief Rum	unvote	Suicane75	3
19:37	401	Chief Rum	vote	Fontisian	3
19:41	403	EagleFan	vote	Suicane75	4
19:59	417	Cheekimonk	unvote	Suicane75	3
19:59	417	Cheekimonk	vote	Grover  	3
20:09	432	Fontisian	vote	Raven   	3
20:19	445	Timmae  	vote	Raven   	4
20:19	446	Suicane75	unvote	Grover  	2
20:19	446	Suicane75	vote	Raven   	5
20:35	460	Timmae  	unvote	Raven   	4
20:35	460	Timmae  	vote	EagleFan	1
20:37	463	EagleFan	unvote	Suicane75	2
20:37	463	EagleFan	vote	Cheekimonk	1
20:38	465	JAG     	vote	Grover  	3
20:45	478	Suicane75	unvote	Raven   	3
20:45	478	Suicane75	vote	EagleFan	2
20:47	481	EagleFan	unvote	Cheekimonk	0
20:47	481	EagleFan	vote	Suicane75	3
20:56	497	Timmae  	unvote	EagleFan	1
20:56	497	Timmae  	vote	Raven   	4
20:58	504	JAG     	unvote	Grover  	2
20:58	504	JAG     	vote	Raven   	5

[britrock88]

Two straight days Suicane has been in the running, only to be eclipsed by two other candidates later on.

[britrock88]

This guy had one of the biggest momentum-swinging votes away from Sui (and onto Font, for what that's worth):

vote Chief Rum

[britrock88]

Just a couple thoughts about the end of yesterday, from my view:

- JAG: it seems clear that his last vote was just to ensure a safe margin and prevent any sniping.
- Font: a good deal of attention has been paid to her "Let's just finish lynching Raven" line. It is interesting given the hindsight of Raven coming up town, but we were also dealing with separate strains of last-minute alternatives being offered up. That usually leaves little time for claims and probably risks a good special moreso than just following through with a lynch on a VV claimant.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by britrock88

This guy had one of the biggest momentum-swinging votes away from Sui (and onto Font, for what that's worth):

vote Chief Rum

You know what? I'd rather just go to the source of my consternation to see if anything is really there.

unvote Chief Rum
vote Suicane75

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by britrock88

This guy had one of the biggest momentum-swinging votes away from Sui (and onto Font, for what that's worth):

vote Chief Rum

So font wants to lynch a villager (Raven) and has voted to lynch villagers two days straight and is acting off and super aggressive for whatever reason, but you're on me for switching from Suicane to her?

I had wanted to vote for her in the first place, but she wasn't really a candidate by the time I voted. I only switched when she became more of a possibility.

There were a ton of "momentum-swinging" votes yesterday. To be frank, I'm more looking askance at the ones who didn't participate in the vote changes.

How many vote changes did you have yesterday, brit?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by britrock88

You know what? I'd rather just go to the source of my consternation to see if anything is really there.

unvote Chief Rum
vote Suicane75

That makes more sense. That's a vote I can support, as I want to know what his deal is, too. Suicane may not be anything--there isn't a ton of evidence that he is. But he has figured so prominently in our votes that knowing his allegiance would be a tremendous aid in our vote analysis.

[Chief Rum]

FTR, I don't think we're facing four wolves. Given the numbers in the game, that just seems like too much.

I suspect we have three wolves, four villager roles and probably the other dude, too. I guess he is neutral, but it sounds like he wins with the village.

[path12]

Updated Brit's Day 2 vote with standings:

Time	Post	Voter   	Type	Votee   	
21:21	264	EagleFan	vote	Saldana 	saldana 1
21:27	267	JAG     	vote	Zinto   	saldana 1, Zinto 1
22:39	271	Path12  	vote	Grover  	Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
8:43	279	Cheekimonk	vote	Suicane75	Grover 1, saldana 1, Suicane 1, Zinto 1
9:31	285	Timmae  	vote	Suicane75	Suicane 2, Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
10:32	290	Suicane75	vote	EagleFan	Suicane 2, EF 1, Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
11:16	304	Britrock88	vote	Fontisian	Suicane 2, EF 1, font 1, Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
12:10	312	Grover  	vote	Fontisian	font 2, Suicane 2, EF 1, Grover 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
12:42	314	Fontisian	vote	Grover  	font 2, Grover 2, Suicane 2, EF 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
13:16	328	Grover  	unvote	Fontisian	Grover 2, Suicane 2, EF 1, font 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
13:26	330	Raven   	vote	Fontisian	font 2, Grover 2, Suicane 2, EF 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
13:26	331	Britrock88	unvote	Fontisian	
13:26	331	Britrock88	vote	Suicane75	Suicane 3, Grover 2, EF 1, font 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1
14:14	341	EagleFan	unvote	Saldana 	
14:14	341	EagleFan	vote	Grover  	Grover 3, Suicane 3, EF 1, font 1, Zinto 1
14:15	342	HomerSimpson98	vote	Raven   	Grover 3, Suicane 3, EF 1, font 1, Raven 1, Zinto 1
14:17	344	Grover  	vote	Suicane75	Suicane 4, Grover 3, EF 1, font 1, Raven 1, Zinto 1
16:07	354	Saldana 	vote	Fontisian	Suicane 4, Grover 3, font 2, EF 1, Raven 1, Zinto 1
16:21	356	Chief Rum	vote	Suicane75	Suicane 5, Grover 3, font 2, EF 1, Raven 1, Zinto 1
17:23	359	EagleFan	unvote	Grover  	
17:23	359	EagleFan	vote	Timmae  	Suicane 5, Grover 2, font 2, EF 1, Raven 1, timmae 1, Zinto 1
18:01	366	JAG     	unvote	Zinto   	Suicane 5, Grover 2, font 2, EF 1, Raven 1, timmae 1
18:08	367	Suicane75	unvote	EagleFan	
18:08	367	Suicane75	vote	Grover  	Suicane 5, Grover 3, font 2, Raven 1, timmae 1
19:06	384	EagleFan	unvote	Timmae  	Suicane 5, Grover 3, font 2, Raven 1
19:08	387	Zinto   	vote	Raven   	Suicane 5, Grover 3, font 2, Raven 2
19:19	394	Timmae  	unvote	Suicane75	Suicane 4, Grover 3, font 2, Raven 2
19:23	396	Fontisian	unvote	Grover  	Suicane 4, Grover 2, font 2, Raven 2
19:37	401	Chief Rum	unvote	Suicane75	
19:37	401	Chief Rum	vote	Fontisian	font 3, Suicane 3, Grover 2, Raven 2
19:41	403	EagleFan	vote	Suicane75	Suicane 4, font 3, Grover 2, Raven 2
19:59	417	Cheekimonk	unvote	Suicane75	
19:59	417	Cheekimonk	vote	Grover  	font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3, Raven 2
20:09	432	Fontisian	vote	Raven   	font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3, Raven 3
20:19	445	Timmae  	vote	Raven   	Raven 4, font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3
20:19	446	Suicane75	unvote	Grover  	
20:19	446	Suicane75	vote	Raven   	Raven 5, font 3, Suicane 3, Grover 2
20:35	460	Timmae  	unvote	Raven   	
20:35	460	Timmae  	vote	EagleFan	Raven 4, font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3
20:37	463	EagleFan	unvote	Suicane75	
20:37	463	EagleFan	vote	Cheekimonk	Raven 4, font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 2, cheekimonk 1
20:38	465	JAG     	vote	Grover  	Raven 4, Grover 4, font 3, Suicane 2, cheekimonk 1
20:45	478	Suicane75	unvote	Raven   	
20:45	478	Suicane75	vote	EagleFan	Grover 4, font 3, Raven 3, Suicane 2, cheekimonk 1, EF 1
20:47	481	EagleFan	unvote	Cheekimonk	
20:47	481	EagleFan	vote	Suicane75	Grover 4, font 3, Raven 3, Suicane 3, EF 1
20:56	497	Timmae  	unvote	EagleFan	
20:56	497	Timmae  	vote	Raven   	Grover 4, Raven 4, font 3, Suicane 3
20:58	504	JAG     	unvote	Grover  	
20:58	504	JAG     	vote	Raven   	Raven 5, font 3, Grover 3, Suicane 3

Just easier for me to see this way. Still scrolls though. My cut and paste and finding wolves skillz have apparently stagnated.

[path12]

VOTE JAG

[Suicane75]

Since I know I'm a villager, I'd be interested more in the people who started the runs on me. Including today.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

2 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (516), Grover (539)
1 - EagleFan - Suicane75 (526)
1 - Suicane75 - britrock88 (559)
1 - JAG - path12 (564)

[JAG]

Originally Posted by timmae

If we go raven and he's village is font next then? Need help here..

Originally Posted by Zinto

Eh, most people would think this is a wolfy post. You usually don't want to start pointing to the next candidate so early.

This combo happened at 6 minutes and 4 minutes before deadline, followed by a timmae night kill. Thoughts from others on this? My first impression was that this looked better for Zinto after timmae was night killed.

[EagleFan]

Not sure what to think about path. Anyone getting a read on him? I see hit and run.

[Suicane75]

Timmae also threw a vote for EF late. Misdirection for both? Or something more sinister? Fudge if I know.

[EagleFan]

I think that timmae night kill could tell us something. Why timmae over JAG? No offense meant to timmae by that question, just trying to get into the wolves' heads when they made that decision.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Not sure what to think about path. Anyone getting a read on him? I see hit and run.

Scant, but positive.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I think that timmae night kill could tell us something. Why timmae over JAG? No offense meant to timmae by that question, just trying to get into the wolves' heads when they made that decision.

I'm wondering if it's a wolfpack consisting of newer folks.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm wondering if it's a wolfpack consisting of newer folks.

Or one that makes us want to think this.

[britrock88]

It sure would be nice to have some red in the vote charts to help us analyze things...

[EagleFan]

Okay, I can reveal this now. I misread my PM and thought that I lost my protection powers if I reveal but I only lose the PM ability with the seer if I reveal. That becomes useless after tonight when the wolves kill me.

I am the bodyguard and was scanned last night; they know who I am and I can now be killed because of that scan. I didn't initially say it because I thought that I lost my bodyguard powers which would pretty much make me a vanilla villager and give the wolves an incentive to keep me alive.

Since I can't protect the seer it kind of makes my role a crapshoot anyway as I wouldn't know who to protect.

I protected JAG night one and Chief Rum on night two so far. I was close to protecting Narc but decided JAG, wish I went with my first thought.

[path12]

EF, that was the very first time all game that I've made a vote with no comment plus I've been pretty active throughout. With the vote jumping you've done that is BS.

For the record, I think JAG and font are both wolves. I think font is likely the cunning which is why she has been quite upfront in her interactions -- so she could be scanned good. JAG has a good reputation here, has figured in a few vote moves and tipped to Raven end of day yesterday. They both could be considered vet enough for the night 1 Narcizo kill.

I could very well be wrong, I might be right, but at least I've got some sort of theory.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by path12

EF, that was the very first time all game that I've made a vote with no comment plus I've been pretty active throughout. With the vote jumping you've done that is BS.

For the record, I think JAG and font are both wolves. I think font is likely the cunning which is why she has been quite upfront in her interactions -- so she could be scanned good. JAG has a good reputation here, has figured in a few vote moves and tipped to Raven end of day yesterday. They both could be considered vet enough for the night 1 Narcizo kill.

I could very well be wrong, I might be right, but at least I've got some sort of theory.

I appreciate thinking aloud! I really don't think JAG and Font are both wolves, though your point about the cunning is well-taken.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Font and Sui coming out aggressively...

vote font

Originally Posted by britrock88

Finally circling around to look at the tally. Interesting votes, IMO:

- JAG dropping GE from the lead into a tie with Suicane (and bringing Font within 1)
- Raven creating a 3-way tie among GE, Suicane, and Font by dropping Suicane out of the lead
- Path and EagleFan voting GE 2 up within 2 minutes of each other
- Grover elevating Font over Suicane as the alternative to GE
- JAG reversing Grover's option and tying Suicane and Font 2 behind
- EagleFan switching off GE to tie him with Font, then voting Font a bit later

Nothing particularly damning about any of these, but these stuck out to me as the highest-leverage votes of the day.

Originally Posted by britrock88

Despite my vote being on you, I agree with your read--I'm getting a negative feel for EF.

Originally Posted by britrock88

Also agree with JAG's earlier sentiment that Font seems good but shouldn't be above suspicion.

Originally Posted by britrock88

Also concur with the perception that there's no read out there for Chief Rum. Very UTR-feeling to this point.

Originally Posted by britrock88

Also intrigued by the Raven run-up, particularly since it's newbie-heavy.

Originally Posted by britrock88

JAG surviving to D3 makes me wonder...

(Sorry, JAG.)

Originally Posted by britrock88

Two straight days Suicane has been in the running, only to be eclipsed by two other candidates later on.

Originally Posted by britrock88

This guy had one of the biggest momentum-swinging votes away from Sui (and onto Font, for what that's worth):

vote Chief Rum

Originally Posted by britrock88

Just a couple thoughts about the end of yesterday, from my view:

- JAG: it seems clear that his last vote was just to ensure a safe margin and prevent any sniping.
- Font: a good deal of attention has been paid to her "Let's just finish lynching Raven" line. It is interesting given the hindsight of Raven coming up town, but we were also dealing with separate strains of last-minute alternatives being offered up. That usually leaves little time for claims and probably risks a good special moreso than just following through with a lynch on a VV claimant.

Originally Posted by britrock88

You know what? I'd rather just go to the source of my consternation to see if anything is really there.

unvote Chief Rum
vote Suicane75

In looking over yesterday and today, I see Brit throwing around a good bit of suspicion and taking fairly safe opinions. I'm going to start here.

Vote brit

[JAG]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Okay, I can reveal this now. I misread my PM and thought that I lost my protection powers if I reveal but I only lose the PM ability with the seer if I reveal. That becomes useless after tonight when the wolves kill me.

I am the bodyguard and was scanned last night; they know who I am and I can now be killed because of that scan. I didn't initially say it because I thought that I lost my bodyguard powers which would pretty much make me a vanilla villager and give the wolves an incentive to keep me alive.

Since I can't protect the seer it kind of makes my role a crapshoot anyway as I wouldn't know who to protect.

I protected JAG night one and Chief Rum on night two so far. I was close to protecting Narc but decided JAG, wish I went with my first thought.

Good, I suspected you were alright. This unsurprisingly confirms one of the wolf roles in the game.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by JAG

Eh, it's what it is. I assume either I've been barking up the wrong tree, or I've been correct on Zinto and he doesn't want the scrutiny that killing me would bring. Or they might want me alive so they can push me as a candidate later in the game, who knows?

If I was a wolf you would already be dead. I have watched you blow up too many wolf teams to not try to remove you from a game ASAP.

[JAG]

Assuming EF is telling the truth, I think Sui is a bad vote today. He came out vs. EF last night and first thing today, which is totally unnecessary if they're going to kill EF anyway.

[Zinto]

I wish Autumn was playing. He always can tell when Jag is a wolf.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by path12

EF, that was the very first time all game that I've made a vote with no comment plus I've been pretty active throughout. With the vote jumping you've done that is BS.

For the record, I think JAG and font are both wolves. I think font is likely the cunning which is why she has been quite upfront in her interactions -- so she could be scanned good. JAG has a good reputation here, has figured in a few vote moves and tipped to Raven end of day yesterday. They both could be considered vet enough for the night 1 Narcizo kill.

I could very well be wrong, I might be right, but at least I've got some sort of theory.

I was also thinking font was either good or cunning the way she's played out in front. I voted late last night to make sure there wasn't a tie and went with my best shot at a wolf at the time. I'm not saying a wolf would never do that, but it puts a big spotlight on you. If there was another wolf up, I agree it looks a good bit worse though.

[Chief Rum]

My gut instinct on font the past day or so has been cunning, too. She just seems very over the top. While that's not unheard of for her, she's even more so in this game, from what I am used to.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by timmae

If we go raven and he's village is font next then? Need help here..

Is this a post that the wolf team would target as a newbie asking for help on who to scan? I assume that they were seer hunting yesterday and there isn't a lot else I could find.

[JAG]

Good point Zinto, I hadn't read into it like that, but it does look like a seer asking for a scan option.

[JAG]

The other thing about brit is Narc was the first night kill and voted brit to start the game, which would make Narc look pretty good if brit ever turned up wolf, so you get a 2-for-1 eliminating a good player who also looks good with his vote.

[path12]

Originally Posted by JAG

I was also thinking font was either good or cunning the way she's played out in front. I voted late last night to make sure there wasn't a tie and went with my best shot at a wolf at the time. I'm not saying a wolf would never do that, but it puts a big spotlight on you. If there was another wolf up, I agree it looks a good bit worse though.

To be honest, it's as much meta as anything and I usually hate meta voting.

But if we posit that Narc means a vet on the wolves team and you are still alive after three days than that last minute vote looks more shady than it might.

Though I'll add that I thought you had defended font when I pointed out her combo of going for Raven plus the fact that she is in the zone as far as playing right now if it has been as intensive as she indicated. When I looked back it was Brit -- and I thought your post regarding his quotes was sort of persuasive which would be a point for you.

Werewolf is a hard game. But given some of the other comments after pointing my finger at you two leads me to switch up:

UNVOTE JAG
VOTE FONTISIAN

[cheekimonk]

I had been wondering if font was always so confrontational and blunt. With the vets pointing out now that she's not, that unknown factor in my thinking has an answer...

vote fontisian

[EagleFan]

Take cheek out, then worry about the other wolves. The more I see the more I am convinced that he is a wolf.

[EagleFan]

dola: not that we should have a runaway; that way we can get some vote history (or you guys can get some vote history) to look at tomorrow.

[path12]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

I had been wondering if font was always so confrontational and blunt. With the vets pointing out now that she's not, that unknown factor in my thinking has an answer...

vote fontisian

She's always blunt in the few games I've played with her. She is also fearless and very clever and I'll always have a soft spot for how great she was for my team in the Game of Thrones game. So the first day or two I was kind of irritated about how people were reacting to her.

But as time goes by this game and we see a few votes, I think she is bad bad bad.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Take cheek out, then worry about the other wolves. The more I see the more I am convinced that he is a wolf.

what are you seeing? i have never played with him before (i think this is his first game) and am not getting any kind of read, but given that no one has countered your claim, i am highly inclined to trust you at this point.

[path12]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Take cheek out, then worry about the other wolves. The more I see the more I am convinced that he is a wolf.

It would not surprise me at all. And if you are getting killed our priority should be trying to take out the brutal. But I have no idea who that may be.

[path12]

Dola, the brutal or whatever the one was that had the ability to kill you.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by JAG

I was also thinking font was either good or cunning the way she's played out in front. I voted late last night to make sure there wasn't a tie and went with my best shot at a wolf at the time. I'm not saying a wolf would never do that, but it puts a big spotlight on you. If there was another wolf up, I agree it looks a good bit worse though.

this is what i was thinking too...the cunnings job is to draw attention and get scanned, so by coming on so strong (too strong some may say), she was possibly doing exactly that.

she has done a couple other things that have pinged my radar as well, such as basically flinging everyone in the game's name against the wall to see who she can get traction on for a vote.

i will wait to vote til i hear back from EF, but i see no reason to change my vote from yesterday.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Take cheek out, then worry about the other wolves. The more I see the more I am convinced that he is a wolf.

Is there any reasoning I can address? All I see is:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

vote cheekimonk

Not changing that vote today.

With your reveal, voting me out takes us to 6:3 at best, 5:4 at worst (lynching me, your death, and their NK). This could be a game-deciding vote so I at least want to know I made my case and it isn't just carelessness that got me, and the village, killed. I'd like to play with you guys again in the future.

[cheekimonk]

FYI, I have a date at 6p Central. Could be drinks...could be more, so I may not be around for the deadline.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

With your reveal, voting me out takes us to 6:3 at best, 5:4 at worst (lynching me, your death, and their NK). This could be a game-deciding vote so I at least want to know I made my case and it isn't just carelessness that got me, and the village, killed. I'd like to play with you guys again in the future.

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Nosta Khan - Can scan for Druss. Once Druss is known, has a way of killing him.

Vote: Cheekimonk
Tell you what, you tell me what the obvious thing you did wrong was, and I'll point out the less obvious thing for future reference.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by path12

She's always blunt in the few games I've played with her. She is also fearless and very clever and I'll always have a soft spot for how great she was for my team in the Game of Thrones game. So the first day or two I was kind of irritated about how people were reacting to her.

But as time goes by this game and we see a few votes, I think she is bad bad bad.

<3

Aw. I forgive you for being completely wrong/possibly (but probably not?) evil.