Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE - Page 12

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

You said you saw me meet with one person, which i am 99.9% sure was impossible due to my use of comlinks. I can damn both of them, but by damn i can say i know one went to the others house and was there for most of the night. I dont know if they are both good, so i am quite afraid to reveal and help you and your friends pick off what could possibly be a secret COT forming. You have been caught in a lie, and id like to see how my 2 players from last night say what happened before i drop my info.

I'm not lying about Saldana at all. He is 100% good. I'll repeat that every post tonight if it helps.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

ok, i think Blade overreacted to Saldanas assertion that he met someone when he accused saldana of being a chaos. im betting all 4, Blade, 23, Saldana and Alan are most likely good so i wont vote for any right now. all those who work to uphold the empire should think hard before killing one of them because this sounds like many Villager vs Villager lynch orgies that are common

I will say this....mustang wondering about roles being connected might just be true if alan and saldana are bad. Connections are there if they are in fact bad.

Fouts · 08-30-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

ok, i think Blade overreacted to Saldanas assertion that he met someone when he accused saldana of being a chaos. im betting all 4, Blade, 23, Saldana and Alan are most likely good so i wont vote for any right now. all those who work to uphold the empire should think hard before killing one of them because this sounds like many Villager vs Villager lynch orgies that are common

Come on now. After all this stuff happening at night, all 4 people are good guys? How about this scenario.

All 4 are chaos or mutant. You guys are now figuring it out and trying to calm the situation so we don't kill you all off.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Come on now. After all this stuff happening at night, all 4 people are good guys? How about this scenario.

All 4 are chaos or mutant. You guys are now figuring it out and trying to calm the situation so we don't kill you all off.

I hope you kill them off...they are not with me...twothree is not with me...i have no allies on the player list i know of. I know my role, and i know of a power another role has to visit another player. I expected those 2 to come out firing on me after last night, alan and saldana blindsided me.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 03:52 PM

YAY!! ONES HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Come on now. After all this stuff happening at night, all 4 people are good guys? How about this scenario.

All 4 are chaos or mutant. You guys are now figuring it out and trying to calm the situation so we don't kill you all off.

Im not calming anything down. I'm good, I was told Saldana believes entirely in the emperor. Blade called Saldana chaos which he is definitly not per my PM. So my vote is standing regardless if Saldana moves his.

bulletsponge · 08-30-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

You are quite trusting for an assassin type. Usually assassins trust noone.

Yes, im trusting. i trust my assassins to do thier job when called upon. but ive been a wolf before and this sounds like a wolf dream day so far. peeps are vouching for each other, a sure fire way to get lynched if the other group comes back clean. way to risky this early for a wolf.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 03:54 PM

Soooooo, GE...sleep well last night?

Fouts · 08-30-2006, 03:54 PM

The Mutant Psyker can send one PM each night to find the other mutants. The other mutants know who he is and will vouch for him.

The Chaos Lord may PM once each night to find his followers. The other chaos know who their leader is and will vouch for him.

Does this sound familiar in our situation here???

bulletsponge · 08-30-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

YAY!! ONES HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

when they post point it out

bulletsponge · 08-30-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

The Mutant Psyker can send one PM each night to find the other mutants. The other mutants know who he is and will vouch for him.

The Chaos Lord may PM once each night to find his followers. The other chaos know who their leader is and will vouch for him.

Does this sound familiar in our situation here???

whoa it does! i should read the roles.

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

The Mutant Psyker can send one PM each night to find the other mutants. The other mutants know who he is and will vouch for him.

The Chaos Lord may PM once each night to find his followers. The other chaos know who their leader is and will vouch for him.

Does this sound familiar in our situation here???

I did not have any PMs with Saldana nor have I talked to him outside of this forum. My only PM was from Tanglewood.

Saldana is good 100%

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:01 PM

still waiting on GE to tell me how his night went...i asked him when the day first started, and he never answered. Most of you will remember me going after GE all day, before these accusations will go out. He had a little visitor last night, hence why i was soo after him.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:02 PM

Screw it, greyroofoo went to goldeneagles house last night, there

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:05 PM

from today, if i had to guess evil, id say saldana, alan, and maybe bullet...grey and GE, i dont know about yet...

Fouts · 08-30-2006, 04:10 PM

Any comment from GE?

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Any comment from GE?

I pushed all morning for him to tell me what he did last night, and all he said was he hunts chaos and wants to win. He avoided the question like michael jackson avoids girls

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Come on now. After all this stuff happening at night, all 4 people are good guys? How about this scenario.

All 4 are chaos or mutant. You guys are now figuring it out and trying to calm the situation so we don't kill you all off.

By the way, Im pretty sure whoever the mutant are, they want the chaos to die. They win with all the chaos dead too.

Doesnt matter here though as I'm completely good.

Fouts · 08-30-2006, 04:16 PM

Yes, the mutants want the chaos dead before they are killed. The chaos want everyone dead but themselves.

So, maybe, alan and saldana are mutants that want us to kill blade and his buddies (twothree and bullet).

Not sure how GE and Grey fit in though.

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Yes, the mutants want the chaos dead before they are killed. The chaos want everyone dead but themselves.

So, maybe, alan and saldana are mutants that want us to kill blade and his buddies (twothree and bullet).

Not sure how GE and Grey fit in though.

I'm not a mutant

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Yes, the mutants want the chaos dead before they are killed. The chaos want everyone dead but themselves.

So, maybe, alan and saldana are mutants that want us to kill blade and his buddies (twothree and bullet).

Not sure how GE and Grey fit in though.

I AM NOT FRIENDS WITH TWOTHREE AND BULLET...my only friends are my men..my loyal troops who have served with me for countless years

Fouts · 08-30-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm not a mutant

I did say maybe. I'm going to leave the thread for awhile and see what other people come up with (unlike others who said they were leaving and stuck around).

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:20 PM

GE left....what the hell...how could he not respond to all this, especially the part ABOUT HIM

SirFozzie · 08-30-2006, 04:25 PM

Maybe he thinks you're a bad guy, and decided he's not going to give you any more information? *shrugs*

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Maybe he thinks you're a bad guy, and decided he's not going to give you any more information? *shrugs*

He didnt give me any...as a bad guy, i would have gone back after saldana and alan and made it he said/he said...instead of fighting two, im not calling 4 out...thats not a solid wolf strategy. Though, many peoples opinions of me are rather low(espeically realdeal, man he hates me), so maybe i am just that bad

bulletsponge · 08-30-2006, 04:27 PM

GE is back

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:28 PM

welcome back GE...have any comments about my claims that grey paid you a visit last night?

path12 · 08-30-2006, 04:29 PM

Huh. Pretty wild for a day 2, no? I'm actually leaning with bullet that we have multiple roles interacting and it's quite possible that they're all good.

Now, the GE/Grey thing I would definitely like to hear more about.

path12 · 08-30-2006, 04:30 PM

Dola, I think there are a ton of roles in this game.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Huh. Pretty wild for a day 2, no? I'm actually leaning with bullet that we have multiple roles interacting and it's quite possible that they're all good.

Now, the GE/Grey thing I would definitely like to hear more about.

I dont think so...saldana's story doesnt fit in with what i did. I am not letting this one go

path12 · 08-30-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

I dont think so...saldana's story doesnt fit in with what i did. I am not letting this one go

Valid point. You say you did not go out and he says he saw you meeting with someone. Both of those statements can't be true.

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Valid point. You say you did not go out and he says he saw you meeting with someone. Both of those statements can't be true.

Just like Blade saying Saldana is evil when I know for sure he is good.

Blade didn't realize that I had information on Saldana so thought he could bluff his way out of the accusation from saldana. The minute he started saying Saldana was something i know for a fact he was not is enough to seal it for me.

My vote is staying on Blade until either we lynch him or he kills me at night.

SirFozzie · 08-30-2006, 04:36 PM

This is just a placeholder for now.. GE, help me out here. an explanation would help, and if what I know about your role is correct..

I think we have a Dark Seer moment going with one of these two groups. Right now, I put the SLIGHTLY higher untrustworthy story to Blade's side.. but I'm open on this one.

VOTE BLADE6119

SirFozzie · 08-30-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Valid point. You say you did not go out and he says he saw you meeting with someone. Both of those statements can't be true.

How do you prove a negative?

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Valid point. You say you did not go out and he says he saw you meeting with someone. Both of those statements can't be true.

I do find it hilarious he has no idea who he spied on, only that they met me out. And he assumes i left my house to go meet someone so they could convert me.

And ironically, its saldana(who travels through the same warps chaos do) and alan(a devout religious man) attacking me the day after i get reports that grey(the head of said religion) talked his way past my troops into the house of our biggest weapon against the chaos...love how that randomly worked out

Abe Sargent · 08-30-2006, 04:39 PM

Geez! I have no idea what's happening, but i know some things are happening with major implications, and I only wish my role were as interesting as some of these seems to be.

Abe Sargent · 08-30-2006, 04:40 PM

I would appreciate it if someone could lay out for me their cases against people. I'll be back later

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

I would appreciate it if someone could lay out for me their cases against people. I'll be back later

My case:

I was told in PM that Saldana follows our Emperor whole heartedly.

Saldana says he saw Blade do something

Blade calls Saldana a lier and a chaos (which I know he is not from my PM).

I can trust either Tanglewood or Blade here. I'm siding with trusting my PM and voting Blade.

Thats my case. All this other info about whoever going to who's house and comlinks and whatever I know nothing about. Just that Blade is accusing the only person I know 100% to be following our emperor besides myself right now.

Abe Sargent · 08-30-2006, 04:45 PM

Very well stated AlanT, thanks!

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

I would appreciate it if someone could lay out for me their cases against people. I'll be back later

Alan met up with saldana, then saldana went out and used his "spy/witness" role to follow someone to a meeting with me(yet doesnt know who it was), where saldana believes me to be converted.

I, THE BODYGUARD, order my troops to guard GE's house last night...i wake up in the morning and comlink the captain of the guard to ask if all went smoothly. He says it did, excecpt for the fact that sometime around midnight the Ecclesiarch himself requested entry into GE's chamber(not house like i had said before). My captain explained his orders were rather clear, but after much conversation grey talked in way into the house, becuase, i mean, who could refuse someone of his position in our empire. I get really pissed, inform the captain that he is being permanently transfered to an ice planet(somewhere named jektar), and promote my second officer into his former position.

Is that outlined enough for all of you?

Abe Sargent · 08-30-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Alan met up with saldana, then saldana went out and used his "spy/witness" role to follow someone to a meeting with me(yet doesnt know who it was), where saldana believes me to be converted.

I, THE BODYGUARD, order my troops to guard GE's house last night...i wake up in the morning and comlink the captain of the guard to ask if all went smoothly. He says it did, excecpt for the fact that sometime around midnight the Ecclesiarch himself requested entry into GE's chamber(not house like i had said before). My captain explained his orders were rather clear, but after much conversation grey talked in way into the house, becuase, i mean, who could refuse someone of his position in our empire. I get really pissed, inform the captain that he is being permanently transfered to an ice planet(somewhere named jektar), and promote my second officer into his former position.

Is that outlined enough for all of you?

Thanks Blade!

So you are not a mutant? Not Chaos?

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

Thanks Blade!

So you are not a mutant? Not Chaos?

No, just still trying to figure out how me trying to fish GE into a lie this morning led to alan and saldana calling me a chaos, twothree vouching for me,GE avoiding questions like the plague, and grey no where to be found

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

No, just still trying to figure out how me trying to fish GE into a lie this morning led to alan and saldana calling me a chaos, twothree vouching for me,GE avoiding questions like the plague, and grey no where to be found

The minute you called Saldana chaos, I knew you were lying. That was enough for me Blade.

BrianD · 08-30-2006, 04:53 PM

Wait. Blade, you ordered protection for GE last night? Weren't you calling him out both yesterday and today? Why would you protect him if you thought he was bad?

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

The minute you called Saldana chaos, I knew you were lying. That was enough for me Blade.

Saldana said i met someone, which i might have believed had he said i met a group of people(my elite soldier unit i use to guard people).

I went hard after GE all morning, long before your little partner in crime accused me. My story adds up, unlike yours which took some time to get on the same page(do try to remember who approached who next time, ok?)

Alan T · 08-30-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Saldana said i met someone, which i might have believed had he said i met a group of people(my elite soldier unit i use to guard people).

I went hard after GE all morning, long before your little partner in crime accused me. My story adds up, unlike yours which took some time to get on the same page(do try to remember who approached who next time, ok?)

I stand by my story, the same story I have said all day. I was told Saldana is good, you said he is not. Thats all I know.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Wait. Blade, you ordered protection for GE last night? Weren't you calling him out both yesterday and today? Why would you protect him if you thought he was bad?

Like i stated early today, i think he is our seer against only the chaos. If you re-read yesterday, every time i said he was acting odd, i asked him if he smelled someone. I actively believe he was/is our best weapon against the chaos. I figured the chaos would like him dead, so i guarded him. Lo and behold, grey showed up for a little visit.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I stand by my story, the same story I have said all day. I was told Saldana is good, you said he is not. Thats all I know.

I said he is a liar about me meeting people...liar implies chaos, but i have called him nothing more then a liar, the same you are calling me.

Blade6119 · 08-30-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Wait. Blade, you ordered protection for GE last night? Weren't you calling him out both yesterday and today? Why would you protect him if you thought he was bad?

dola, today i went HARD after him knowing he was visited last night. Figured he was converted, and coming out after greyroo would be too obvious and give my role away. So i tried to bait him into something, but he never bit...then saldana came out and the rest is history

saldana · 08-30-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

my role is basically a witness/spy. i chose to go out last night, and i followed someone to a location where they met with blade. i did not see who the other person was, but since there wasnt a fight, and blade did not get killed, i am concluding that he was converted. i am sure he will have some sort of explanation for this, which i cant wait to see.

i will quote myself here just for blade....no where do i say that Blade went out....i said someone else went out and went to him, so that portion of your defense is about as meaningful as a jbmagic post.

08-30-2006, 03:52 PM	#555
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	YAY!! ONES HERE!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

08-30-2006, 03:54 PM	#558
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Soooooo, GE...sleep well last night? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

08-30-2006, 04:01 PM	#563
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	still waiting on GE to tell me how his night went...i asked him when the day first started, and he never answered. Most of you will remember me going after GE all day, before these accusations will go out. He had a little visitor last night, hence why i was soo after him. __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

08-30-2006, 04:02 PM	#564
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Screw it, greyroofoo went to goldeneagles house last night, there __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

08-30-2006, 04:05 PM	#565
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	from today, if i had to guess evil, id say saldana, alan, and maybe bullet...grey and GE, i dont know about yet... __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

08-30-2006, 03:54 PM	#559
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	The Mutant Psyker can send one PM each night to find the other mutants. The other mutants know who he is and will vouch for him. The Chaos Lord may PM once each night to find his followers. The other chaos know who their leader is and will vouch for him. Does this sound familiar in our situation here???

08-30-2006, 04:10 PM	#566
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Any comment from GE?

08-30-2006, 04:16 PM	#569
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Yes, the mutants want the chaos dead before they are killed. The chaos want everyone dead but themselves. So, maybe, alan and saldana are mutants that want us to kill blade and his buddies (twothree and bullet). Not sure how GE and Grey fit in though.

08-30-2006, 04:20 PM	#573
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	GE left....what the hell...how could he not respond to all this, especially the part ABOUT HIM __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

08-30-2006, 04:25 PM	#574
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Maybe he thinks you're a bad guy, and decided he's not going to give you any more information? shrugs __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

08-30-2006, 04:27 PM	#576
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	GE is back

08-30-2006, 04:28 PM	#577
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	welcome back GE...have any comments about my claims that grey paid you a visit last night? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

08-30-2006, 04:29 PM	#578
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Huh. Pretty wild for a day 2, no? I'm actually leaning with bullet that we have multiple roles interacting and it's quite possible that they're all good. Now, the GE/Grey thing I would definitely like to hear more about. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-30-2006, 04:30 PM	#579
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Dola, I think there are a ton of roles in this game. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-30-2006, 04:36 PM	#583
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	This is just a placeholder for now.. GE, help me out here. an explanation would help, and if what I know about your role is correct.. I think we have a Dark Seer moment going with one of these two groups. Right now, I put the SLIGHTLY higher untrustworthy story to Blade's side.. but I'm open on this one. VOTE BLADE6119 __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

08-30-2006, 04:39 PM	#586
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Geez! I have no idea what's happening, but i know some things are happening with major implications, and I only wish my role were as interesting as some of these seems to be. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-30-2006, 04:40 PM	#587
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I would appreciate it if someone could lay out for me their cases against people. I'll be back later __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-30-2006, 04:45 PM	#589
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Very well stated AlanT, thanks! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-30-2006, 04:53 PM	#594
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Wait. Blade, you ordered protection for GE last night? Weren't you calling him out both yesterday and today? Why would you protect him if you thought he was bad?

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