Werewolf LVI: Beneath the Iron Cross - GAME OVER, VILLAGERS WIN! - Page 12

Barkeep49 · 10-03-2007, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Man, I would have been so stoked if Arlington had chosen Barkeep instead. He is clearly playing very differently than his usual game, despite being a villager. But no, he has to choose the wolf that I was going to give up anyway and now I have to sell out someone that I didn't really want to in the first place.

How's my game different? I came out hard for the math, you know that's my game. And I figured you for the Honorable Wolf role which is why I was all about AC. A 2-2 trade seemed like a good one to me.

hoopsguy · 10-03-2007, 06:33 AM

Well, if I'm playing "Honorable Wolf" - kind of a contradiction in terms - then it is self-imposed and not an official role.

It probably makes some sense to start discussion on how you guys want to work with the information that I give you. I assume I'm first to go, but what is the plan for acting on the information I provide?

Are you guys willing to take the leap of faith that I'll be giving you good information and act upon it? I hope so, given that the Duke came out and kept me around for this extra day.

One thing I can just about guarantee is that the wolf I reveal is not going to go down quietly. He'll be first in line voting for me today and will be trying to put out a lot of FUD to obscure his wolf-like nature.

hoopsguy · 10-03-2007, 07:52 AM

FWIW, I'll be at a vendor meeting until lunchtime. Since results are not up at this point (did not expect they would be) I'll hold off on posting a name until I get here.

I expect to see plenty of votes to lynch me upon my return.

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 08:26 AM

hoops...i think we can figure out what to do with the information you give us

jeheinz72 · 10-03-2007, 08:29 AM

Wow, GO AC! That was pretty kick ass.

path12 · 10-03-2007, 08:46 AM

VOTE HOOPS

path12 · 10-03-2007, 08:46 AM

Let's get this party started.

ArlingtonColt · 10-03-2007, 08:54 AM

Vote Hoops

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 08:58 AM

VOTE HOOPSGUY

Barkeep49 · 10-03-2007, 09:22 AM

I'm all excited to vote for hoops as well but shouldn't we wait for the night action?

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 09:25 AM

probably *shrug*

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 09:26 AM

so now...the actual seer is dead...therefore the fool should know that they are the fool and not the seer right?

so wouldn't there be value in the fool revealing?

Barkeep49 · 10-03-2007, 09:34 AM

There is no way to know, until after the game, if PB was the fool or the seer as on death both appear to be the seer.

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 09:34 AM

dola

or at least revealing if and when they become a target

no sense in giving the wolves your name so you get picked off right away for 1 day's worth of trust, but if it comes down to the point where it's important...

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 09:35 AM

hmmm....ohh...good point. forgot about that wrinkle.

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 09:35 AM

well actually we could know next time the remaining person hits a "wolf" if they reveal

Barkeep49 · 10-03-2007, 09:45 AM

Well, if the fool was smart, they scanned hoops last night. That would then allow them to know if they're the fool or the seer, since hoops is a known wolf and would show up as a villager on the scan.

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well, if the fool was smart, they scanned hoops last night. That would then allow them to know if they're the fool or the seer, since hoops is a known wolf and would show up as a villager on the scan.

good thinking. Hopefully we have a smart fool/seer left

Neon_Chaos · 10-03-2007, 09:55 AM

Why are you all here? You waiting for something?

path12 · 10-03-2007, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm all excited to vote for hoops as well but shouldn't we wait for the night action?

Oops. As a west coaster I just always assume that night is over when I check in.......

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 09:59 AM

lol @ Neon

Neon_Chaos · 10-03-2007, 10:00 AM

Night 2:

The night flies by quickly. You leave the confines of your own chambers, and notice something odd. Nobody is dead. After the events yesterday, this turned out to be a dull, but reassuring revelation. Some of you cheer, did the infectees fail to kill a target? Some of you, however, warn that the virus may have just spread. You may never know what transpired over the past 13 hours... but you do know that you have to deal with another long day of arguments and choosing someone to vote for.

Day 3 begins: (Sending out PMs now.) Deadline is at 9:00 PM CST.

path12 · 10-03-2007, 10:01 AM

VOTE HOOPS

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 10:02 AM

hmmm...interesting

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 10:02 AM

VOTE HOOPS

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 10:03 AM

I tend to think that we didn't have a conversion...as I don't know that Neon would have brought the idea up in his writeup if there was one

RendeR · 10-03-2007, 10:09 AM

VOTE HOOPSGUY

EagleFan · 10-03-2007, 10:11 AM

Go Wolves.

EagleFan · 10-03-2007, 10:12 AM

dola: what do you mean these posts don't count?

Go wolves anyway.

ArlingtonColt · 10-03-2007, 10:19 AM

Vote Hoops

RealDeal · 10-03-2007, 10:25 AM

vote Hoops

ntndeacon · 10-03-2007, 10:27 AM

Vote Hoops

ntndeacon · 10-03-2007, 10:30 AM

I tend to think there is a conversion, personally. either that or the herbalist did a good job... one or the other.

jeheinz72 · 10-03-2007, 10:31 AM

vote Hoopsguy

jeheinz72 · 10-03-2007, 10:31 AM

This one oughta be a shocker.

Barkeep49 · 10-03-2007, 10:56 AM

Vote hoops

saldana · 10-03-2007, 10:57 AM

vote hoops

Neon_Chaos · 10-03-2007, 11:05 AM

Just a note. "Vote hoops" is invalid. Hoopsguy is the player's name.

Neon_Chaos · 10-03-2007, 11:05 AM

Nah. I'm just screwing with ya.

oliegirl · 10-03-2007, 11:10 AM

Vote Hoopsguy

ArlingtonColt · 10-03-2007, 11:14 AM

Now that we got hoops out of the way.... any ideas on any other possible wolves? I have an idea, but I wanna see what other people are thinking first.

Barkeep49 · 10-03-2007, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Nah. I'm just screwing with ya.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO funny.

path12 · 10-03-2007, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlingtonColt

Now that we got hoops out of the way.... any ideas on any other possible wolves? I have an idea, but I wanna see what other people are thinking first.

I have some ideas. I want to see if anyone found anything out last night though, and also want to see what Hoops has to say.

Barkeep49 · 10-03-2007, 11:25 AM

I too think it's premature to do any other wolf speculation until we see what hoops says.

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 11:43 AM

could have been a conversion...could have been the wolves running into the BG...

hoopsguy · 10-03-2007, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well, if the fool was smart, they scanned hoops last night. That would then allow them to know if they're the fool or the seer, since hoops is a known wolf and would show up as a villager on the scan.

Still catching up on my reading, but this is exactly what the Fool/Seer (if they are in the game) should have done last night.

Selfishly, I didn't have any interest in pointing this out until after night results were posted.

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 12:27 PM

if they are the actual seer though, they shouldn't reveal yet

DaddyTorgo · 10-03-2007, 12:27 PM

hoops...how bout a name??

hoopsguy · 10-03-2007, 12:28 PM

OK, just so you know there was not a conversion last night. I originally submitted an order including the other wolf in on the PM and then went back around to strike the order - this game is over for all intents and purposes so I figured why waste everyone's time any further? But Neon wanted to play out full days so we get to do that ...

The other wolf is RendeR. He is a cunning wolf, so he won't show up properly on death but if the seer is out there they will see him as a wolf. Of course, if that person is a fool then they are going to see both RendeR and me (and anyone else) as villagers.

So, I've got all the votes today and that is fine. But since I'm doing everyone the favor of speeding up the game (hand over wolf, no kill last night, won't submit one tonight if I'm alive) I would like to request that you kill him first.

Feel free to ignore this request. But if the Fool/Seer didn't scan me last night, then they have no idea which role they own. They might as well validate that by scanning me tonight. I'm probably lying about the scenario I'm putting out (right?), so why not at least learn if they will be able to hunt down the legion of wolves that I'm protecting by saving me for one more day and taking a shot elsewhere? Either with the wolf that I'm giving you or by taking out a villager elsewhere?

hoopsguy · 10-03-2007, 12:29 PM

Ask and you shall receive, DT.

RendeR is the last remaining wolf besides me.

10-03-2007, 08:46 AM	#556
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	VOTE HOOPS __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-03-2007, 08:46 AM	#557
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Let's get this party started. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-03-2007, 09:55 AM	#569
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Why are you all here? You waiting for something? __________________ Come and see.

10-03-2007, 10:00 AM	#572
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Night 2: The night flies by quickly. You leave the confines of your own chambers, and notice something odd. Nobody is dead. After the events yesterday, this turned out to be a dull, but reassuring revelation. Some of you cheer, did the infectees fail to kill a target? Some of you, however, warn that the virus may have just spread. You may never know what transpired over the past 13 hours... but you do know that you have to deal with another long day of arguments and choosing someone to vote for. Day 3 begins: (Sending out PMs now.) Deadline is at 9:00 PM CST. __________________ Come and see.

10-03-2007, 10:01 AM	#573
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	VOTE HOOPS __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-03-2007, 06:33 AM	#552
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Well, if I'm playing "Honorable Wolf" - kind of a contradiction in terms - then it is self-imposed and not an official role. It probably makes some sense to start discussion on how you guys want to work with the information that I give you. I assume I'm first to go, but what is the plan for acting on the information I provide? Are you guys willing to take the leap of faith that I'll be giving you good information and act upon it? I hope so, given that the Duke came out and kept me around for this extra day. One thing I can just about guarantee is that the wolf I reveal is not going to go down quietly. He'll be first in line voting for me today and will be trying to put out a lot of FUD to obscure his wolf-like nature.

10-03-2007, 07:52 AM	#553
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	FWIW, I'll be at a vendor meeting until lunchtime. Since results are not up at this point (did not expect they would be) I'll hold off on posting a name until I get here. I expect to see plenty of votes to lynch me upon my return.

10-03-2007, 08:26 AM	#554
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hoops...i think we can figure out what to do with the information you give us

10-03-2007, 08:29 AM	#555
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Wow, GO AC! That was pretty kick ass.

10-03-2007, 08:54 AM	#558
ArlingtonColt H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: arlington, tx	Vote Hoops

10-03-2007, 08:58 AM	#559
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	VOTE HOOPSGUY

10-03-2007, 09:22 AM	#560
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'm all excited to vote for hoops as well but shouldn't we wait for the night action?

10-03-2007, 09:25 AM	#561
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	probably shrug

10-03-2007, 09:26 AM	#562
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	so now...the actual seer is dead...therefore the fool should know that they are the fool and not the seer right? so wouldn't there be value in the fool revealing?

10-03-2007, 09:34 AM	#563
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	There is no way to know, until after the game, if PB was the fool or the seer as on death both appear to be the seer.

10-03-2007, 09:34 AM	#564
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	dola or at least revealing if and when they become a target no sense in giving the wolves your name so you get picked off right away for 1 day's worth of trust, but if it comes down to the point where it's important...

10-03-2007, 09:35 AM	#565
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hmmm....ohh...good point. forgot about that wrinkle.

10-03-2007, 09:35 AM	#566
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	well actually we could know next time the remaining person hits a "wolf" if they reveal

10-03-2007, 09:45 AM	#567
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well, if the fool was smart, they scanned hoops last night. That would then allow them to know if they're the fool or the seer, since hoops is a known wolf and would show up as a villager on the scan.

10-03-2007, 09:59 AM	#571
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	lol @ Neon

10-03-2007, 10:02 AM	#574
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hmmm...interesting

10-03-2007, 10:02 AM	#575
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	VOTE HOOPS

10-03-2007, 10:03 AM	#576
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I tend to think that we didn't have a conversion...as I don't know that Neon would have brought the idea up in his writeup if there was one

10-03-2007, 10:09 AM	#577
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	VOTE HOOPSGUY __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-03-2007, 10:11 AM	#578
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Go Wolves.

10-03-2007, 10:12 AM	#579
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: what do you mean these posts don't count? Go wolves anyway.

10-03-2007, 10:19 AM	#580
ArlingtonColt H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: arlington, tx	Vote Hoops

10-03-2007, 10:25 AM	#581
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	vote Hoops

10-03-2007, 10:27 AM	#582
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Vote Hoops

10-03-2007, 10:30 AM	#583
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I tend to think there is a conversion, personally. either that or the herbalist did a good job... one or the other.

10-03-2007, 10:31 AM	#584
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	vote Hoopsguy

10-03-2007, 10:31 AM	#585
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	This one oughta be a shocker.

10-03-2007, 10:56 AM	#586
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Vote hoops

10-03-2007, 10:57 AM	#587
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	vote hoops

10-03-2007, 11:05 AM	#588
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Just a note. "Vote hoops" is invalid. Hoopsguy is the player's name. __________________ Come and see.