Werewolf XL: The Trial of the Aes Sedai (game over, AES SEDAI win) - Page 12

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Alan, why did you think RPI was the seer?

I would agree that Lathum's claim that Brian was the previous seer doesn't really agree with anything that Brian had stated. But why is he trying to push us onto RPI, rather than one of the other people that hasn't already been tested, and cleared? Is it just to try to shake our faith in the one player who we seem to know?

Well early on he was the only one showing decent amount of confidence on me. (Well BrianD too even with me accusing Brian at times). My early assumption was that he scanned me and knew I was good and gave me some extra leeway that others didn't give me. Then he kind of hopped onto the LSG vote yesterday very fast but after someone else brought it up. It made it feel like to me he was trying to guide the vote but not put himself out in the front, when as the only semi-cleared person he could be the best one to guide such a talk.

The final thing was after feeling somewhat good about lathum, suddenly to flip 180 on him today smelled to me like he scanned him last night and found he was bad after I brought up Lathum's name yesterday.

Obviously now that seems to all be wrong on my part.

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:29 PM

Another thing that's confusing me is why Blade and Mr. W are waiting til the last minute to vote? Blade was in here and Mr. W remains...

What's going on here?

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Ummm... what question is that

ducks

Sorry, wasn't directed at you. Was referring to RPI completely ignoring my questions trying to get some sense to things. He was here multiple times, it just appeared he chose not to answer them.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 07:31 PM

After a great deal of waffling, I don't buy Lathum's reveal.

VOTE Lathum

Blade6119 · 01-08-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Another thing that's confusing me is why Blade and Mr. W are waiting til the last minute to vote? Blade was in here and Mr. W remains...

What's going on here?

Deciding how i want to view RPI/Lathum's play...i think ill take my strategy ive been employing all game and just vote my top suspect

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Another thing that's confusing me is why Blade and Mr. W are waiting til the last minute to vote? Blade was in here and Mr. W remains...

What's going on here?

To be fair, I removed my vote to give RPI time to explain his action and thoughts. I said if he didn't convince me, I was going to put my vote back on Lathum. Now though I honestly don't know what to do. I was getting a bit worried that no one was coming to save Lathum, but I didn't expect the person who would lead the charge to save Lathum would be the person I trusted the most (RPI).. Now I don't know.

Part of me still thinks of the possibility of a forced vote ability, and if that is the case, Mr.W showed up right after strongly supporting RPI with his comments saying that RPI wasn't agreeing that he was bad, but that Lathum was good.

I really really wish RPI was here talking to us.

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:36 PM

Well , I guess now I'm the only one with a vote outstanding. Looks like either way unless people switch votes Lathum is a goner.

I guess I'm going to stick with RPI for now. I still feel it is very unlikely that RPI has been converted, there was no nights without a night kill. I really don't know what his game is here, but Jonathan was one of my suspects too. I'll stick with the guy I trust the most for now.. but my trust is wavering big time.

Vote Jonathan

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 07:37 PM

My vote is my own. I waited because I hadn't cast a vote yet at the time of Lathum's reveal, and I wanted to see some discussion around it. The anticipated discussion never materialized, maybe because Lathum preferred to avoid it, maybe because he wasn't available, maybe because nobody pushed him when he was available.

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:38 PM

With everyone voting, this is the final votes (unless someone moves in the last 20 min):

5 - Lathum - Chief Rum, Jonathan E, DodgerChick, Schmidty, Mr. W
2 - Jonathan E - RPI Fan, Alan
1 - RPI Fan - Lathum
1 - Chief RUm - Blade

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 07:39 PM

If Lathum turns up good, we go after RPI-Fan tomorrow. But if he turns up bad, I don't think we can say that anyone is off the hook.

st.cronin · 01-08-2007, 07:40 PM

That's what I have as well, Alan.

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If Lathum turns up good, we go after RPI-Fan tomorrow. But if he turns up bad, I don't think we can say that anyone is off the hook.

Ok.. my red flags are going up big time. I already commented about how I felt earlier that RPI was having some vote influence power used on him, then shortly thereafter Mr.W shows up supporting RPI's move telling me that he wasn't agreeing with Lathum, just he found something fishier in Jonathan's post (After Lathum acused RPI of being bad).

Now Mr.W is setting it up that if Lathum is good, we go after RPI tommorrow? I'm sorry but this really smells to me like someone is influencing RPI's vote here and we see who is playing traffic cop with it.

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:42 PM

So if RPI's vote is being influenced, and forced onto Jonathan.. then I'm guessing Jonathan would be good.

Unvote Jonathan
vote Mr. Wednesday

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:44 PM

I think Jonathan might actually be good based on LSG's vote against him yesterday.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Now Mr.W is setting it up that if Lathum is good, we go after RPI tommorrow?

If Lathum is good, given his reveal, how do we NOT go after RPI tomorrow?

I never supported RPI today, I only made sure that there were no misunderstanding about what he had plainly stated.

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

So if RPI's vote is being influenced, and forced onto Jonathan.. then I'm guessing Jonathan would be good.

Unvote Jonathan
vote Mr. Wednesday

So what do you mean by his vote being influenced? Can someone actually do that cuz I haven't seen it in any WW games I've played.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2007, 07:46 PM

Mr. Wednesday really feels wrong, now. I'm not going to move my vote because I think Lathum's reveal is a total crock, but Mr. Wednesday is a good vote in my book.

Something just occurred to me: Is it possible that Lathum was being controlled, too? If Lathum comes up good, what does that mean?

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:47 PM

So if Lathum is being controlled, is that why he hasn't come back since the reveal?

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:47 PM

*assuming he's being controlled.

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

So what do you mean by his vote being influenced? Can someone actually do that cuz I haven't seen it in any WW games I've played.

Every now and then in WW games a bad guy has the power to 1 time (or maybe multiple times) influence a single player to vote a certain way. That player is given fairly strict guides to what they can and can't say or do usually. Its a way of getting a trusted player to vote in a wolfish way. (Just like whats happening here)

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

So what do you mean by his vote being influenced? Can someone actually do that cuz I haven't seen it in any WW games I've played.

Someone (path, I think) was getting blackmailed in the Musketeers game, and I believe one of the actions (aside from also challenging people to a duel) was forcing a particular vote.

As has happened in a previous game, Alan takes an exceptional ruleset and jumps to the conclusion that there's a repeat of it in the next game...

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:49 PM

Interesting, if 2 people move their vote off of Lathum onto Mr. W, it's a tie.

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:49 PM

I find it very unlikely that two players could be controlled on the same day.. but guess anything is possible I suppose..

If Lathum ends up good though, that means we just killed our new seer I guess...

I'm back to almost not trusting anyone again. Right now I feel somewhat good about both Jonathan and Dodgerchick.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Every now and then in WW games a bad guy has the power to 1 time (or maybe multiple times) influence a single player to vote a certain way. That player is given fairly strict guides to what they can and can't say or do usually. Its a way of getting a trusted player to vote in a wolfish way. (Just like whats happening here)

Yeah, but right now, you seem to have about three different people getting unduly influenced, all at once.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2007, 07:50 PM

I'm willing to move my vote. Mr. W smells real bad to me right now.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 07:50 PM

Dola, I think the most likely scenario is that nobody is being influenced.

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Someone (path, I think) was getting blackmailed in the Musketeers game, and I believe one of the actions (aside from also challenging people to a duel) was forcing a particular vote.

As has happened in a previous game, Alan takes an exceptional ruleset and jumps to the conclusion that there's a repeat of it in the next game...

Don't be making me out to be the bad guy here. This has been in several games before. Not just one recent game. In my mind its a very good possible explanation. Much better than the RPI is really bad even though he scanned as good at the lynch.

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I find it very unlikely that two players could be controlled on the same day.. but guess anything is possible I suppose..

If Lathum ends up good though, that means we just killed our new seer I guess...

I'm back to almost not trusting anyone again. Right now I feel somewhat good about both Jonathan and Dodgerchick.

So I went from "real good" to "somewhat good"? I dropped

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Yeah, but right now, you seem to have about three different people getting unduly influenced, all at once.

Who is the third?

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

So I went from "real good" to "somewhat good"? I dropped

Well to be fair, I had RPI as completely trusted, so he dropped further

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:52 PM

Wow, it's so hard to read Mr. W based on his lack of votes on Days 2 and 4. Ugh, so confusing.

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:53 PM

And we don't know what happens in the event of a tie right?

Blade6119 · 01-08-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

So I went from "real good" to "somewhat good"? I dropped

i still love you DC

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

And we don't know what happens in the event of a tie right?

Yeah, I believe that remains unknown.

Blade6119 · 01-08-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

And we don't know what happens in the event of a tie right?

If it comes down to it ill swap to lathum, i hate ties

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

If it comes down to it ill swap to lathum, i hate ties

Lathum over Mr. W?

Blade6119 · 01-08-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Lathum over Mr. W?

uh-huh...my top 2 suspects for like 3 days have been lathum and chief...you can go back and check. If chiefs not dying, lathum should. Mr. W is just being his same old self in my mind

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Don't be making me out to be the bad guy here. This has been in several games before. Not just one recent game. In my mind its a very good possible explanation. Much better than the RPI is really bad even though he scanned as good at the lynch.

The argument for RPI being bad now is conversion, a well-known mechanic (more common than vote or action influencing, in my experience) that is frequently used on a trusted player.

That said... it seems odd that if he were converted, RPI would get used to make a kill, unless a mechanic were also in play requiring it to be done that way. I doubt we're up against fewer than one original bad guy, and it would be foolish to expose your mole by needlessly using him for a night kill.

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 07:57 PM

Unless someone holds the tie breaker...it's very possible ya know

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

uh-huh...my top 2 suspects for like 3 days have been lathum and chief...you can go back and check. If chiefs not dying, lathum should. Mr. W is just being his same old self in my mind

I'm not sure what you mean by him being his same ole self here. He's been very invisible most of the game then suddenly pops in when all of hell breaks loose. Seems to be more of Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde here.

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

The argument for RPI being bad now is conversion, a well-known mechanic (more common than vote or action influencing, in my experience) that is frequently used on a trusted player.

That said... it seems odd that if he were converted, RPI would get used to make a kill, unless a mechanic were also in play requiring it to be done that way. I doubt we're up against fewer than one original bad guy, and it would be foolish to expose your mole by needlessly using him for a night kill.

I've talked about conversion a few times. Its still a possibility of course, but usually to convert someone you have to give up a night kill which as far as I am aware hasn't happened. Thats why I have found it less likely till now.

Blade6119 · 01-08-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm not sure what you mean by him being his same ole self here. He's been very invisible most of the game then suddenly pops in when all of hell breaks loose. Seems to be more of Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde here.

In my opinion, thats not far off his normal play style..no offense intended

Alan T · 01-08-2007, 08:00 PM

Well deadline is here, so guess we get to find out if Lathum was telling the truth or not next. This should be fun.

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 08:01 PM

Oh man... the anticipation

Mr. Wednesday · 01-08-2007, 08:02 PM

I am normally quieter early on, I'll admit that, but I think I've been more UTR than normal this game. I mean, it's highly out of the ordinary for me to miss votes.

I really don't go in for contextual analysis, which is literally about the only thing going on day 1 and not far off it (barring unusual circumstances) on day 2.

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

i still love you DC

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2007, 08:03 PM

I see you shiver, with antici.......................................................................................................................................................................pation.

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I see you shiver, with antici.......................................................................................................................................................................pation.

Can you make that just a tad longer? Thanks

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2007, 08:04 PM

Lorena · 01-08-2007, 08:07 PM

Oh, now you show up RPI

01-08-2007, 07:31 PM	#554
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	After a great deal of waffling, I don't buy Lathum's reveal. VOTE Lathum __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-08-2007, 07:37 PM	#558
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	My vote is my own. I waited because I hadn't cast a vote yet at the time of Lathum's reveal, and I wanted to see some discussion around it. The anticipated discussion never materialized, maybe because Lathum preferred to avoid it, maybe because he wasn't available, maybe because nobody pushed him when he was available. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-08-2007, 07:39 PM	#560
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	If Lathum turns up good, we go after RPI-Fan tomorrow. But if he turns up bad, I don't think we can say that anyone is off the hook. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-08-2007, 07:40 PM	#561
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	That's what I have as well, Alan. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

01-08-2007, 07:50 PM	#576
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Dola, I think the most likely scenario is that nobody is being influenced. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-08-2007, 07:29 PM	#552
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Another thing that's confusing me is why Blade and Mr. W are waiting til the last minute to vote? Blade was in here and Mr. W remains... What's going on here?

01-08-2007, 07:36 PM	#557
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Well , I guess now I'm the only one with a vote outstanding. Looks like either way unless people switch votes Lathum is a goner. I guess I'm going to stick with RPI for now. I still feel it is very unlikely that RPI has been converted, there was no nights without a night kill. I really don't know what his game is here, but Jonathan was one of my suspects too. I'll stick with the guy I trust the most for now.. but my trust is wavering big time. Vote Jonathan

01-08-2007, 07:38 PM	#559
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	With everyone voting, this is the final votes (unless someone moves in the last 20 min): 5 - Lathum - Chief Rum, Jonathan E, DodgerChick, Schmidty, Mr. W 2 - Jonathan E - RPI Fan, Alan 1 - RPI Fan - Lathum 1 - Chief RUm - Blade

01-08-2007, 07:42 PM	#563
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So if RPI's vote is being influenced, and forced onto Jonathan.. then I'm guessing Jonathan would be good. Unvote Jonathan vote Mr. Wednesday

01-08-2007, 07:44 PM	#564
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	I think Jonathan might actually be good based on LSG's vote against him yesterday.

01-08-2007, 07:46 PM	#567
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Mr. Wednesday really feels wrong, now. I'm not going to move my vote because I think Lathum's reveal is a total crock, but Mr. Wednesday is a good vote in my book. Something just occurred to me: Is it possible that Lathum was being controlled, too? If Lathum comes up good, what does that mean?

01-08-2007, 07:47 PM	#568
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	So if Lathum is being controlled, is that why he hasn't come back since the reveal?

01-08-2007, 07:47 PM	#569
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	*assuming he's being controlled.

01-08-2007, 07:49 PM	#572
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Interesting, if 2 people move their vote off of Lathum onto Mr. W, it's a tie.

01-08-2007, 07:49 PM	#573
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I find it very unlikely that two players could be controlled on the same day.. but guess anything is possible I suppose.. If Lathum ends up good though, that means we just killed our new seer I guess... I'm back to almost not trusting anyone again. Right now I feel somewhat good about both Jonathan and Dodgerchick.

01-08-2007, 07:50 PM	#575
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I'm willing to move my vote. Mr. W smells real bad to me right now.

01-08-2007, 07:52 PM	#581
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Wow, it's so hard to read Mr. W based on his lack of votes on Days 2 and 4. Ugh, so confusing.

01-08-2007, 07:53 PM	#582
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	And we don't know what happens in the event of a tie right?

01-08-2007, 07:57 PM	#589
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Unless someone holds the tie breaker...it's very possible ya know

01-08-2007, 08:00 PM	#593
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Well deadline is here, so guess we get to find out if Lathum was telling the truth or not next. This should be fun.

01-08-2007, 08:01 PM	#594
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Oh man... the anticipation

01-08-2007, 08:02 PM	#595
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I am normally quieter early on, I'll admit that, but I think I've been more UTR than normal this game. I mean, it's highly out of the ordinary for me to miss votes. I really don't go in for contextual analysis, which is literally about the only thing going on day 1 and not far off it (barring unusual circumstances) on day 2. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

01-08-2007, 08:03 PM	#597
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I see you shiver, with antici.......................................................................................................................................................................pation.

01-08-2007, 08:04 PM	#599
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA

01-08-2007, 08:07 PM	#600
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Oh, now you show up RPI

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