Werewolf LI Major League (GAME OVER!!! INDIANS--GOOD GUYS--WIN!!!) - Page 12

path12 · 08-08-2007, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

If I make it back in time and want to change my vote, do I edit (thought I read that we shouldn't edit) or make another post stating unvote and put in new vote?

You don't edit posts. You make a new post that

UNVOTE (NAME)
VOTE (NAME)

and that will do it.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I think I'm leaning toward voting Path or st.cronin as they were the 1st two to follow me onto ntndeacon, and I agree that one out of the ntndeacon voters is likely a wolf.

Jack Parkman was pretty clear that his vote was to take heat off of Pedro at the time. Jack Parkman thinks this is scant evidence for a vote.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 06:54 PM

Dammit. Switched tenses again.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So the easiest one to isolate with those assumptions is the Torgo vote for Cronin - it is the only one cast by someone still alive that isn't on BK/NTN.

Next question - would Torgo go on a crusade against a player on Day 1 as a wolf? What does it get him? A lot of attention if we follow his lead at some point.

For now, I'll make that Assumption #3 on the day - DaddyTorgo is not a wolf.

Jack Parkman would like to point out that a throwaway vote on day 1 is actually not the kind of thing that usually gathers a lot of attention. The scrutiny comes in the main candidates votes. Jack Parkman thinks the best time to come out against a fellow wolf is day 1, especially if that fellow wolf is not gathering enough attention to actually be lynched.

There is also the fact that DT has come at Lathum much harder than he did with Cronin.

Jack Parkman concludes that Assumption #3 is a shaky one.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 07:28 PM

Path, I thought DT's play was much more aggressive than a "throw-away" Day 1 vote. The bold nature of it almost begged for scrutiny. What I'm saying is that I agree with your concept as you laid it out, but don't see DT's play in quite the same light.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 07:35 PM

OK, I feel strong enough

UNVOTE ST.CRONIN
VOTE DADDYTORGO

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i think the problem people are having, and one that you will come to appreciate is that you are overstating your degree of trust.

ie...you say "i trust hoops is a villager" when you mean "he's slightly more likely to be a villager than a wolf"

the word "trust" in a WW game is very heavy. as are all declarative statements "i know" etc.

The "trust" and "know" are kind of like for the time being. If I were to say "I'm definitely positive that from this day on cronin is a villager," that would be my equivalent to "trust" and "know."

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 08:25 PM

Right now MikeVic loses all tie-breakers, since he got the early vote today.

Despite some of his posts that I dredged up earlier today, I lean towards thinking that Mike is on our side, playing an open and honest first game. I would prefer that he is not lynched today.

So that leaves Daddy Torgo and St. Cronin - I could go with another candidate, but we are getting later in the process and I'm ready to see what happens when we turn the heat up a little bit. I think Torgo's reasons for suspecting Cronin are kind of thin (vote post too quickly after saying he was reading) but Cronin's defense was also a concern (not playing in the spirit of the game).

VOTE CRONIN

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 08:42 PM

I got an answer from ChiefRum, and I don't want to say too much regarding my confusion. I don't want to make it seem like I'm breaking the rules. But based on the response I received, I think the only thing I can really say is that the wording in the PM I received made me think two words were interchangable, when in reality they aren't.

I don't know if that helps, but like I said, I don't want to me labelled a cheater or rule-breaker.

I think right now, I have to

VOTE CRONIN

to help save myself. I'll try to get back on nearer the deadline again.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-08-2007, 08:45 PM

I don't have a good feel on anyone and I'm not really sure what's been learned so far. I'm off tomorrow so I'll have some time to really go through the thread and hopefully have some ideas. But since I have to vote for someone now, I'll throw this out just to keep it close.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 08:57 PM

Votes heading into the final hour (current as of Post #560):

Cronin - Torgo (401), Purdue (511), Hoops (558), MikeVic (559)
Torgo - Path (426), Lathum (556), JE (560)
MikeVic - Cronin (377), Barkeep (535)
JE - Pass (452)
Path - KWhit (532)

Not voted - Gonzo

Gonzo · 08-08-2007, 08:59 PM

I'm suspicious of St. Cronin, but not really enough to vote for him. I'm not even sure if I should vote for DaddyTorgo, but then again I have to vote today.

VOTE DADDY TORGO

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:01 PM

If Cronin gets back, he can save himself here.
If not, then ... time to see if there were any earlier votes that aren't there now.

KWhit · 08-08-2007, 09:03 PM

At this point, I trust MikeVic and am suspicious of anybody who has their vote on him. So between BK and Cronin, I gotta vote for the guy who is actually in contention tonight.

UNVOTE PATH12
VOTE ST.CRONIN

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 09:04 PM

Unfortunately I have to leave for the next couple of hours. I won't be here for the deadline, and so I'll leave my vote on cronin.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:06 PM

Updated votes:
Cronin - Torgo (401), Purdue (511), Hoops (558), MikeVic (559), KWhit (563)
Torgo - Path (426), Lathum (556), JE (560), Gonzo (562)
MikeVic - Cronin (377), Barkeep (535)
JE - Pass (452)

And there are no earlier votes on Torgo or Cronin prior to #401 where Torgo votes Cronin. So Cronin would need help - can't just move his vote - to avoid a lynch this evening.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 09:09 PM

KWhit, why do you trust mike?

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 09:15 PM

I'm waiting for a ride, so I'll be on until they come get me.

Barkeep49 · 08-08-2007, 09:24 PM

Man I don't really feel like I understand why anyone is on anyone. I'm going to go ahead and unvote MikeVic since it doesn't look like we're going in that direction and I see no need to keep a symbolic vote there. But I'm not really sure where my vote will land.

Unvote MikeVic

path12 · 08-08-2007, 09:37 PM

Jack Parkman acknowledges that he has been absent for awhile staring into a mirror to determine that, although it is a very close call, Jack Parkman is going to insist on being photographed on his right side.

While Jack Parkman is tempted to switch his vote to Cronin, Jack Parkman is (due to Jack Parkman's incredible intelligence) almost more interested to see how the last half hour comes down, especially since Jack Parkman does not have much to go on this early.

Barkeep49 · 08-08-2007, 09:38 PM

Ok I've thought it over and I've decided I don't like the way cronin talked about the step ups, including having lied about whether or not he steppd it up yesterday. I'm going to go that direction.

Vote st.cronin

Barkeep49 · 08-08-2007, 09:39 PM

path I'll just say that I've really enjoyed your role playing this game.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:41 PM

Hmmm, I was definitely hoping that at least one of our candidates would be around at the deadline to take part in the conversation

path12 · 08-08-2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

path I'll just say that I've really enjoyed your role playing this game.

Being a consummate entertainer (among his other skills), Jack Parkman is not surprised, yet is gracious enough to accept the praise, though Jack Parkman knows that it is merely his due.

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 09:46 PM

Checking in. Not sure if I will catch up in time to change my vote.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Being a consummate entertainer (among his other skills), Jack Parkman is not surprised, yet is gracious enough to accept the praise, though Jack Parkman knows that it is merely his due.

I need a clapping smilie for this.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Checking in. Not sure if I will catch up in time to change my vote.

Jack Parkman could read this thread in three and one half minutes.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:49 PM

A review of posts by the two players indicates that Cronin is unlikely to be back while Torgo hoped (but was not sure) he would be back before the deadline.

Gonzo · 08-08-2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Jack Parkman could read this thread in three and one half minutes.

But alas, the rest of us ballplayers have not the same skill at speed-reading that Jack Parkman possesses.

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 09:51 PM

i'm back. Anyone wanna tell me quick-like if I need to move my vote based on stuff that's happened?

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:53 PM

Pass, if you have a strong inkling that Torgo is more guilty than Cronin I would be willing to change my vote. But it has to be fast ...

I don't think either of the two parties are likely to be our seer, which is my biggest worry heading down the stretch with absentee lynch candidates.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

But alas, the rest of us ballplayers have not the same skill at speed-reading that Jack Parkman possesses.

*sigh* Jack Parkman's innate superiority over his fellow humans is Jack Parkman's cross to bear.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm back. Anyone wanna tell me quick-like if I need to move my vote based on stuff that's happened?

Vote stands at 6-4, with Cronin losing the tie-breaker.

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 09:54 PM

We're tied 5-5 with 6 minutes left? Geez.

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Pass, if you have a strong inkling that Torgo is more guilty than Cronin I would be willing to change my vote. But it has to be fast ...

I don't think either of the two parties are likely to be our seer, which is my biggest worry heading down the stretch with absentee lynch candidates.

My inclination is to vote for cronin, since Torgo feels so strongly about it, and it's his butt if he's wrong. But I read the thread pretty quickly. Does that sound fair?

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 09:55 PM

i'm here!

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:55 PM

Pass, I show 6-4. Do you have something different?

Cronin - Torgo (401), Purdue (511), Hoops (558), MikeVic (559), KWhit (563), Barkeep (571)
Torgo - Path (426), Lathum (556), JE (560), Gonzo (562)
MikeVic - Cronin (377)
JE - Pass (452)

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 09:56 PM

No, hoops, sorry, I counted BK's vote wrong.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My inclination is to vote for cronin, since Torgo feels so strongly about it, and it's his butt if he's wrong. But I read the thread pretty quickly. Does that sound fair?

Only if DT was the seer - his suspicion started on Day 1 so he could have scanned him Day 2 to follow his gut. But we would have to lynch DT first to learn that, and right now we are on Cronin.

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 09:57 PM

it is my butt if I was wrong. But others have also said cronin has made some questionable plays already this game, so I feel okay about it.

in case I die I reiterate: we need to get the step-ups thing sorted out and not let it distract us from normal-ww play.

on that note: am I stepping up again hoops?

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 09:59 PM

DT, I had asked Lathum to fill in for you since, as you pointed out, we don't learn anything new about us relative to each other with you going again tonight.

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Only if DT was the seer - his suspicion started on Day 1 so he could have scanned him Day 2 to follow his gut. But we would have to lynch DT first to learn that, and right now we are on Cronin.

It doesn't look like I can save cronin anyway.

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 09:59 PM

hoops

i'm not the seer.

i'm hoping the seer has scanned cronin though and agrees, since there has generally been more "vote for cronin" reasoning given than "don't vote for cronin".

Guess the seer could have scanned someone else though. But if the seer scanned cronin and he was innocent, I think someone would have made a bigger push at me/to keep cronin unlynched.

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 09:59 PM

Anyway, I think this vote seems fine. I don't know who to trust in this, but I'm interested in what happens.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It doesn't look like I can save cronin anyway.

Would you if you could?

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 10:00 PM

oh that's right hoops. Thanks for reminding me

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Would you if you could?

No. Like I said, my gut was saying to vote for cronin -- I don't think DT as a wolf would come out against cronin so much as a wolf.

Passacaglia · 08-08-2007, 10:01 PM

And with that, I am out. Hope we're right!

Chief Rum · 08-08-2007, 10:02 PM

Time.

Votes being tabulated.

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 10:02 PM

that was really the crux of my play. I definitely felt in my gut cronin is wolf and saw evidence of it, but I made a stink to try to get the seer to scan him, figuring then the seer could either support me on d2 or push against someone else/push for cronin's innocence.

havn't seen either...so either the seer scanned someone else or the seer scanned cronin and he's guilty and the seer sees no reason to reveal with me doing the pushing

and if i'm wrong, i'm just a marginally useful normal dude anyways

08-08-2007, 06:54 PM	#553
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Dammit. Switched tenses again. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-08-2007, 09:37 PM	#570
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Jack Parkman acknowledges that he has been absent for awhile staring into a mirror to determine that, although it is a very close call, Jack Parkman is going to insist on being photographed on his right side. While Jack Parkman is tempted to switch his vote to Cronin, Jack Parkman is (due to Jack Parkman's incredible intelligence) almost more interested to see how the last half hour comes down, especially since Jack Parkman does not have much to go on this early. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-08-2007, 07:28 PM	#555
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, I thought DT's play was much more aggressive than a "throw-away" Day 1 vote. The bold nature of it almost begged for scrutiny. What I'm saying is that I agree with your concept as you laid it out, but don't see DT's play in quite the same light.

08-08-2007, 07:35 PM	#556
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, I feel strong enough UNVOTE ST.CRONIN VOTE DADDYTORGO

08-08-2007, 08:25 PM	#558
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Right now MikeVic loses all tie-breakers, since he got the early vote today. Despite some of his posts that I dredged up earlier today, I lean towards thinking that Mike is on our side, playing an open and honest first game. I would prefer that he is not lynched today. So that leaves Daddy Torgo and St. Cronin - I could go with another candidate, but we are getting later in the process and I'm ready to see what happens when we turn the heat up a little bit. I think Torgo's reasons for suspecting Cronin are kind of thin (vote post too quickly after saying he was reading) but Cronin's defense was also a concern (not playing in the spirit of the game). VOTE CRONIN

08-08-2007, 08:42 PM	#559
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I got an answer from ChiefRum, and I don't want to say too much regarding my confusion. I don't want to make it seem like I'm breaking the rules. But based on the response I received, I think the only thing I can really say is that the wording in the PM I received made me think two words were interchangable, when in reality they aren't. I don't know if that helps, but like I said, I don't want to me labelled a cheater or rule-breaker. I think right now, I have to VOTE CRONIN to help save myself. I'll try to get back on nearer the deadline again.

08-08-2007, 08:45 PM	#560
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I don't have a good feel on anyone and I'm not really sure what's been learned so far. I'm off tomorrow so I'll have some time to really go through the thread and hopefully have some ideas. But since I have to vote for someone now, I'll throw this out just to keep it close. VOTE DADDYTORGO

08-08-2007, 08:57 PM	#561
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Votes heading into the final hour (current as of Post #560): Cronin - Torgo (401), Purdue (511), Hoops (558), MikeVic (559) Torgo - Path (426), Lathum (556), JE (560) MikeVic - Cronin (377), Barkeep (535) JE - Pass (452) Path - KWhit (532) Not voted - Gonzo

08-08-2007, 08:59 PM	#562
Gonzo Mascot Join Date: Jul 2007	I'm suspicious of St. Cronin, but not really enough to vote for him. I'm not even sure if I should vote for DaddyTorgo, but then again I have to vote today. VOTE DADDY TORGO

08-08-2007, 09:01 PM	#563
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If Cronin gets back, he can save himself here. If not, then ... time to see if there were any earlier votes that aren't there now.

08-08-2007, 09:03 PM	#564
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	At this point, I trust MikeVic and am suspicious of anybody who has their vote on him. So between BK and Cronin, I gotta vote for the guy who is actually in contention tonight. UNVOTE PATH12 VOTE ST.CRONIN

08-08-2007, 09:04 PM	#565
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Unfortunately I have to leave for the next couple of hours. I won't be here for the deadline, and so I'll leave my vote on cronin.

08-08-2007, 09:06 PM	#566
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Updated votes: Cronin - Torgo (401), Purdue (511), Hoops (558), MikeVic (559), KWhit (563) Torgo - Path (426), Lathum (556), JE (560), Gonzo (562) MikeVic - Cronin (377), Barkeep (535) JE - Pass (452) And there are no earlier votes on Torgo or Cronin prior to #401 where Torgo votes Cronin. So Cronin would need help - can't just move his vote - to avoid a lynch this evening.

08-08-2007, 09:09 PM	#567
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	KWhit, why do you trust mike?

08-08-2007, 09:15 PM	#568
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I'm waiting for a ride, so I'll be on until they come get me.

08-08-2007, 09:24 PM	#569
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Man I don't really feel like I understand why anyone is on anyone. I'm going to go ahead and unvote MikeVic since it doesn't look like we're going in that direction and I see no need to keep a symbolic vote there. But I'm not really sure where my vote will land. Unvote MikeVic

08-08-2007, 09:38 PM	#571
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok I've thought it over and I've decided I don't like the way cronin talked about the step ups, including having lied about whether or not he steppd it up yesterday. I'm going to go that direction. Vote st.cronin

08-08-2007, 09:39 PM	#572
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	path I'll just say that I've really enjoyed your role playing this game.

08-08-2007, 09:41 PM	#573
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Hmmm, I was definitely hoping that at least one of our candidates would be around at the deadline to take part in the conversation

08-08-2007, 09:46 PM	#575
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Checking in. Not sure if I will catch up in time to change my vote.

08-08-2007, 09:49 PM	#578
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	A review of posts by the two players indicates that Cronin is unlikely to be back while Torgo hoped (but was not sure) he would be back before the deadline.

08-08-2007, 09:51 PM	#580
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm back. Anyone wanna tell me quick-like if I need to move my vote based on stuff that's happened?

08-08-2007, 09:53 PM	#581
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Pass, if you have a strong inkling that Torgo is more guilty than Cronin I would be willing to change my vote. But it has to be fast ... I don't think either of the two parties are likely to be our seer, which is my biggest worry heading down the stretch with absentee lynch candidates.

08-08-2007, 09:54 PM	#584
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	We're tied 5-5 with 6 minutes left? Geez.

08-08-2007, 09:55 PM	#586
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm here!

08-08-2007, 09:55 PM	#587
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Pass, I show 6-4. Do you have something different? Cronin - Torgo (401), Purdue (511), Hoops (558), MikeVic (559), KWhit (563), Barkeep (571) Torgo - Path (426), Lathum (556), JE (560), Gonzo (562) MikeVic - Cronin (377) JE - Pass (452)

08-08-2007, 09:56 PM	#588
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	No, hoops, sorry, I counted BK's vote wrong.

08-08-2007, 09:57 PM	#590
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	it is my butt if I was wrong. But others have also said cronin has made some questionable plays already this game, so I feel okay about it. in case I die I reiterate: we need to get the step-ups thing sorted out and not let it distract us from normal-ww play. on that note: am I stepping up again hoops?

08-08-2007, 09:59 PM	#591
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	DT, I had asked Lathum to fill in for you since, as you pointed out, we don't learn anything new about us relative to each other with you going again tonight.

08-08-2007, 09:59 PM	#593
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hoops i'm not the seer. i'm hoping the seer has scanned cronin though and agrees, since there has generally been more "vote for cronin" reasoning given than "don't vote for cronin". Guess the seer could have scanned someone else though. But if the seer scanned cronin and he was innocent, I think someone would have made a bigger push at me/to keep cronin unlynched.

08-08-2007, 09:59 PM	#594
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Anyway, I think this vote seems fine. I don't know who to trust in this, but I'm interested in what happens.

08-08-2007, 10:00 PM	#596
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	oh that's right hoops. Thanks for reminding me