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I agree with a lot of this. They need a 'McGuffin' to keep the group at the farm so they can tell the part of the story with the barn. So, they lose Sophia. Kind of dragging on a little too long with it in my opinion, but, I see what they are doing.
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I want to know Herschel's reasoning for keeping the walkers in the barn. Are the family? Farmhands?
I agree that things have been a bit tedious at times, but I'm not close to losing interest in the show. I'm still hoping Merle (with one hand) and the guy and his son from the first episode turn up again at some point. (I've forgotten his name.) As for Sophia, I'd like to assume she's become a walker, wasn't the black walker one of the two that were chasing her and Rick?
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Herschel heavily hinted at his reasoning during one of his fist conversations with Rick on the front porch. Based on his take, I think Herschel feels like this is just another plague or virus. That it can be dealt with and that there will be a cure. So, instead of killing family, farmhands, or even just poor "diseased" strangers, he puts them in the barn in hopes that they will one day be "cured". Good intentions, but... so very, very flawed. I think the black guy and his son are Morgan and Dwayne, if I recall correctly. I'd love to see them again too. I thought Morgan was a terrific actor and his scene where he tried, but couldn't, shoot his zombie-wife was one of the most powerful in the show. I thought Rick killed both walkers that were after them.
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Good question. Hershel is a vet, so it could be curiosity/try to find a cure or vaccine or they could be family members and farmhands like you said. There was a interesting line where someone said not to kill a walker or something, but, to let Hershel know first. Quote:
I'm still hooked, just wish they'd wrap up the Sophia search here soon. Yes! Merle showing up would be something else. Maybe the helicopter from the first/second(?) episode picked him up after he cut his hand off. The episode prior to last nights, Daryl found the old house with a blanket and pillow in the pantry. It seemed rather small for an adult and then he finds Sophia's doll. So, I'm thinking she's still alive.
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I bet he's keeping them just on the off chance that they find a cure for whatever it is. He seemed awfully interested in talking to Rick about that when they first got there.
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Did either Rick or Shane notice the piece of blue cloth hanging from the tree when they were talking about their high school sex affairs? I can't remember either of them noticing it as they moved through the woods.
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Yes, they commented on it. That's how the conversation sort of ended, with something along the lines of "there's T-Bone's & whoever-he-was-with marker, we must have wandered into their search grid".
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I don't think it was something we heard Herschel say on screen. Rick just relayed the message that Herschel was supposed to deal with any walkers, not them. I did like Glenn's reaction to Darryl's ear necklace and Rick's rather practical response to that little situation.
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Still too boring for me. I'm welcoming the break coming up, and hope it ends with something cool that makes me want to watch the show as it's happening.
I liked the stuff with Merle and Daryl, showing that they are indeed totally different. I feel like I was projecting Merle's personality onto Daryl and that helped clarify that I was wrong about Daryl's character. Other than that, it was just a bunch of stuff that annoyed me. The first 15 minutes were so boring (flashback to show that Atlanta was bombed took too long, Lori/Jamie Lee Curtis talking while hanging clothes, Daryl with the horse), the talk Rick/Shane had while walking was too boring. If they have scenes like that, I need to think a zombie attack can occur. Not sure how it could have been done differently, but I was not thinking about zombies at all during those scenes. Some of the characters just seem soooo stupid and I loved the old guy saying "it's amazing you guys have survived to this point." Why the hell would Annie Duke blondie shoot Daryl? Is she really THAT immature or wanting to prove herself or something like that? Both sides were clearly not walking towards each other for a bit. Why still shoot, especially when you were told not to? That's one of those things where the rest of the party should be like "ok, you're an idiot and you'll en-danger our lives, no more guns for you." The zombie chewing Daryl's shoe was a nice filming transition from Merle, but it seems kind of weird for the zombie to be doing that. Maybe I give zombies too much credit, but I'd think they could smell the flesh or something and go directly for at least his leg. The zombies in the farmhouse bugged me too. How has no one heard this herd of zombies before, or how have the zombies not tried to break out because people are clearly walking around the farmhouse. It could have been easily explained away with something like the generator right beside the farmhouse to drown out noise or something. I think this show has become something I wasn't expecting out of a zombie show. Maybe zombie shows don't work for me then, and just concentrated efforts like movies. Or maybe they're not doing a good job of creating an environment where they have to survive. The farm stuff has been so boring, just a random zombie here or there. I hope they hit the road soon and come across more zombies next episode or I may be done. |
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I really liked the dialogue between Rick and Shane at the beginning. It was well written and flowed naturally from the mundane topic of Shane's highschool conquests to the bigger issue of whether to fish or cut bait on Sophia. While the first part is a lot what of what we've heard before - but still entertaining - the whole question of making the "tough call" and what not was newer, at least I felt it was. I do agree, however, there does seem to be a lot of going in circles. I also liked Glenn's reaction to Darryl's ear necklace and Rick's response to it. I think the complaint of the lack of tension/boredom is a good one and I think a big part of it has to do with the current setting. Outside of the barn, Hershel's farm seems too much like an oasis from the zombie apocalypse. Apparently the farm is remote enough and the barb-wired fence around the property is sound enough that they have very few problems with walkers. Add in the fresh water, the generator and what not and all you really have is a bunch of people sitting around talking about their issues. Other than the Shane/Otis adventure, since they've been in the farm the only real zombies we've seen were the two that went after Darryl. The zombie in the well was just a distraction. Hopefully, getting the group off the farm and to a different location will change this dynamic. I really have no problem at all with the barn. It's far enough away and no one ever went over to it. I think they established pretty well that zombies tend to be pretty placid and quiet when not aroused. Those zombies have been locked in the barn for a while now and have sort of gone on zombie "shutdown" if you will. They don't make too much noise and just sort of stand and wander around. They got all riled up when they saw Glenn. Darryl and Glenn are the best, no doubt. That said, I still like Rick and Shane. Maggie does show promise.
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Ok, then show some surviving, not living fairly comfortably on a farm with electricity, food, no threats, running hot water, etc. The first season had a few great episodes and some bleh episodes, and this season has been very underwhelming so far. I'm hoping for better, but if this is the type of show it'll be... then I don't think it's for me. |
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I thought the morality question about whether you search for the girl or not was asked when they first decided to look for her... I don't need it asked again now that they've been looking for 72 hours (I think that's what Shane said), especially if it takes that entire scene to pretty much get there. I liked the necklace response too. The necklace was cool, and then Rick's response was appropriate. Quote:
Yeah, I'll need to see how it's handled next episode before I can fully have opinions on it. Another part that I forgot about that was just kind of a wtf? moment was the RV guy's reaction to Glenn sleeping with the farmer's daughter. He seemed pretty outraged and had such a "how could you do that!?" reaction. I guess that's just his character, to show respect to their host and not sleep with the daughter or something, so maybe I just don't like the character then. |
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Nothing WTF about that one to me. His reaction was about Glenn putting all of the group at risk by doing something that seems likely to upset an already doubtful Herschel. He (correctly) assumed that ol' Herschel wouldn't like the idea of Maggie becoming the proverbial farmer's daughter.
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Yea, I can see how it can be a bit boring right now. There's no tension other than trying to find Sophia. Even the pregnancy, I didn't feel any more tension, just more along the lines of, 'well, that was a dumb thing to get yourself into'.
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I thought Dale's reaction to Glenn sleeping with Hershel's daughter wasn't out of the blue. He's an older guy and I think it was to show respect for their host. Just like Hershel's reaction to Maggie and Glenn was about him being a father. He wants these people gone as soon as possible and fully intends to get rid of them once they find Sophia and doesn't want his daughter to get hurt when they (including Glenn) get the boot.
I probably like the character stuff more than most, but I think there are currently two problmes. The first, as I mentioned above, is the farm. It's too safe, too secure, too many creature comforts. It really lessens the overall tension in the show. The second is that we know the characters. Daryl's little adventure down the chasm was interesting because it gave us a little more insight to him. And, as much as I enjoyed the Rick/Shane conversation in the woods, it was mainly old ground. A lot of the character interactions have a sort of "been there, done that" feel to them. So there is a bit of the old spinning of the wheels from time to time. In fact, I think what makes Glenn and Darryl so interesting is that they tend to do a lot less of that than the other characters. I've always believed that this show can't be "all zombies all of the time." That would just grow a bit tiresome. The zombies would either stop feeling like a threat or it would just be a bloodbath. That said, it can't be "all characters all of the time" either. We could use a little bit better balance. Another potential solution to the tension issue is to add "other people" as a threat. Zombie Movie 101 clearly states that "other people" are a much bigger threat than the zombies themselves.
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I think an interesting dynamic for the show would be to have the group find pockets of normalcy that are suddenly ripped away from them. I thought the best moment in the first season was when they finally get to the CDC and found that the doors were locked. I think they could have handled the final episode better, but I thought it was also effective to show them taking showers and eating hot meals only to get immediately thrown back into danger.
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In EP6, did Jenner whisper to Rick that Lori was pregnant?
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That's the speculation, but we don't know for sure.
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Not a bad episode, felt a little abrupt at times just because so many storylines moved at once after several weeks of build up.
Amidst the pace of the episode there was a moment that was one of my favorites in the series so far: the 2-3 moments where we're shown a character discovering the concept of "bullet time" was pretty well done I thought. Wasn't very complicated really, nor unexpected either, but I liked how they made it clear to us in a matter of a couple of seconds
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I thought this was perhaps the best episode this season.
Good zombie action. Moved things forward. Some great writing and acting to boot. Good stuff.
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I have to say that the wounds on the walker in the pharmacy were a bit shelf inflicted.
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I suspect that you'll be moving on...
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When is Shane gonna bang that blonde, for godsake?
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My bet is on Daryl and Sophia's mom....
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Seems unlikely that Jenner told Rick about the pregnancy. I'm amazed these people are still alive. Rather than risking the whole group in an aimless run for Fort Benning, it seems as if maybe you should send out a scout team to make sure the path is clear, plus that it's safe. It's only 120mi. Fuel wise, I would be siphoning everything. It has now been like 2months, foraging and obtaining supplies should be a daily job. I'd also be switching to diesel vehicles, it seems you'd be very likely to find abandoned semi trucks. Those things hold 250 gallons of fuel or more. |
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Based on Rick's reaction to the pills and whot not I think seems much more than "unlikely." Rick's not the kind of guy who would pretend not to know something he knows. Quote:
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"Manageable" might be the key word here. We've had it emphasized a couple of times that Dale is basically the only guy in the group who is much on car maintenance (although I imagine that Daryl would know his way around a bike & could help if so inclined), that was somewhat referenced again last night with the bit about him teaching Glenn a few things. Maybe Dale's knowledge doesn't extend to the differences between diesel & traditional engines, in which case it would make more sense to stick with something you have a better chance of repairing on the fly.
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I’m not relishing the thought of the show finding Sophia alive and then going to great lengths to convince us of how this is plausible. At this point, they need to wrap up that search-party story line immediately. The most gutsy and heartstring-pulling move would be for Sophia to pop up at the Farm as a zombie, but we’ll see if that happens. I’d also be fine with them pretending like she never existed the way they did with that family last season who just walked off into the woods without food or water to go on a family vacation to Birmingham.
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There is a plenty to rip on this show about without the need to make shit up. That family didn't "walk off into the woods without food or water." They drove off in a car with plenty of supplies. Given how fucked up and crazy our current group is, they were all the wiser for it. And what does this guy expect? The show to follow this family? For the group to talk fondly about a bunch of strangers they knew for a short time? Come on. As for this episode... I thought the scene between Rick and Lori at the end was near perfect, especially Rick's admission that he knew it all along. I thought that was pretty powerful and very consistent with Rick's character. He's not emotional person. He's also not a stupid person. I think he was trying to lie to himself that what he thought happened between Lori and Shane didn't happen, but once she said it, what's the point of lying to yourself? Lori's complaint about Rick has always been that he's distant and unemotional. His reaction was perfect and entirely consistent with his character. I sersiouly doubt that this is the end of it. It's just the beginning and was perfectly written and very well acted. I loved it. Overall, this was Lori's best episode by far. I had quite a bit of sympathy for her and felt like her acting, which up until this point has been pretty weak or one note, was fantastic. She's desperately trying to hold onto the past. That "well" she was talking about is how she gets by. That's why she was uneasy with the idea of looting the cars or having her son carry a gun around even though that's the world they now live in. I think it helps explain some of her shrillness. I found her tortured decision about what to do with her baby also to be very well done. Glenn was great as always. Over the last two episodes he's shown more character and personality than he has in some 70? 80? issues of the comic? I love his guileless and earnest nature, as well as his ability to kick zombie ass. I was happy to see Andrea start becoming the Sone-Cold Killah everybody has been clamoring for. I liked Dale's reaction to the zombies in the barn information. Dale really isn't a hair trigger type of guy. I mean, he's been holding on to that "I saw Shane point his gun at Rick" fact for a long time before he felt like he needed to unleash it. I really liked that scene between Dale and Shane. Poor Dale, he feels so threatened and cares so much about Andrea, but it's not a good idea to get on crazy Shane's bad side. I am not at all frustrated by this show. I do agree that there could and probably should be more zombie action. I also think that they need to leave the farm too - it's simply too secure feeling and too removed from the desperation we saw in season 1. And they most definitely need to wrap up the Sophia thing and it has to be satisfactory. What I would consider satisfactory... I don't quite yet know. Though I think that it would either include Sophia being found dead or a zombie. The only way that I think she could realistically still be alive is if she was found by some other people who took care of her or helped her survive. If they just find her surving on her own and it's a "happy" ending for this laborious plotline... Ugh.
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11-27-2011, 09:41 PM | #597 |
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Wow. That was awesome.
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11-27-2011, 09:42 PM | #598 | |
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Heh! Good stuff. Thanks for sharing that, Jon.
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11-27-2011, 10:58 PM | #599 |
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Wow.
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11-27-2011, 11:05 PM | #600 |
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On a side note....February before new episodes? Really? Ugh.
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