Maximum Football???

[miked]

I hope I get to add ogres and giants and stuff to play DL. Let's see them run on me.

[Icy]

I feel bad about Matrix games, they are my favorite wargames company, i still play SPWAW and i'm amazed about the free updates that they keep releasing for that game after years.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by stevew

That's patheric spelling on your part.

stop pickin' on my spelling you spelling nazi!

[CraigSca]

I'm hoping I can set my quarterback up to stand behind the line of scrimmage and yell, "lightning bolt! lighnting bolt!"

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

stop pickin' on my spelling you spelling nazi!

Fixed.

(I rarely look at screen names, so if someone hadn't pointed it out, it wouldn't have bugged me so much. )

[Bee]

Oh great...now we're going to get a thread about how SkyDog stole an "r".

[QuikSand]

It's not as funny now.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Bee

Oh great...now we're going to get a thread about how SkyDog stole an "r".

And I'd be fair. I'd give just as much weight to the contrarian opinions in that thread as I would to the ones in others that give feedback on my modding decisions.

[Bee]

Can I have Lurker's "r"? That would make me Beer.

[JeeberD]

I think I want to rearrange my name so that I'll be JeBeerD...

[OldGiants]

Originally Posted by sabotai

What's an Ide?

There is no such thing as an Ide. 'Ides' (EE-daze) is simply the Latin word that means 'the fifteenth day'--although in some months it means 'the thirteenth day.'

They only had names for three days (Kalends being the first and where we get our word 'calendar').

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html

[albionmoonlight]

Progression of a thread:

Originally Posted by Post #1

Leaving aside the fact that this game has been advertised forever, anyone still looking to buy this game? Should be out in the next month or so. Would have been out already from what I understand, but when Matrix Games picked it up as the distributor they wanted the career thing added and so the delay resulted.

Originally Posted by Post #1

One of the posters over on that board really hit what I think. You would think that great as the text-sims may be, would it really be that hard to add even some rudimentary graphics to the game? Not even 3d, just something to add movement and a sense of 'being there' while it unfolds. Can't believe this far into game developement and its either all or nothing. Madden or FOFC (good as the latter may be.)

{559 intervening posts deleted}

Originally Posted by Post #561

There is no such thing as an Ide. 'Ides' (EE-daze) is simply the Latin word that means 'the fifteenth day'--although in some months it means 'the thirteenth day.'

They only had names for three days (Kalends being the first and where we get our word 'calendar').

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html

And what a long, fun trip it's been.

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by Bee

Can I have Lurker's "r"? That would make me Beer.

Originally Posted by JeeberD

I think I want to rearrange my so that I'll be JeBeerD...

I think I should get it. Then I'd be BuzzBeer. How appropriate is THAT?!?!?!

[bbor]

I think our board could kick their boards ass.


If we need any help i could get my dad...he's the toughest dad around.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by bbor

I think our board could kick their boards ass.

Duh.

[Desmond]

Am I mistaken in what Gone Gold means? How can it have gone gold and still have stuff being added to it?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Desmond

Am I mistaken in what Gone Gold means? How can it have gone gold and still have stuff being added to it?

Seems like if it had really "Gone Gold," then it would be available for purchse via download, would it not?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Desmond

Am I mistaken in what Gone Gold means? How can it have gone gold and still have stuff being added to it?

Because they are going to one up the entire software industry, and announce that they are now "going platinum"!

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Desmond

Am I mistaken in what Gone Gold means? How can it have gone gold and still have stuff being added to it?

They made a mistake. It has only Gone Bronze. I am still waiting for it to be in the Gone Silver stage.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Antmeister71

They made a mistake. It has only Gone Bronze. I am still waiting for it to be in the Gone Silver stage.

Apparently there's some work left to do on the "safeties-standing-still-throughout-the-entire-play" bug.

[CraigSca]

Theoretically, I think the game has Gone Talc.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Apparently there's some work left to do on the "safeties-standing-still-throughout-the-entire-play" bug.

Looks like more than just the safeties are standing around not doing anything.

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Apparently there's some work left to do on the "safeties-standing-still-throughout-the-entire-play" bug.

The quarterback looks sickened by the entire play.

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Looks like more than just the safeties are standing around not doing anything.

What are you guys talking about? The QB merely pump-faked 12 times before handing off on the sweep. No wonder the safeties are standing there flat-footed.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Apparently there's some work left to do on the "safeties-standing-still-throughout-the-entire-play" bug.

I don't think so. I think they are using basketball's version of the zone defense. It is customizable.

[TroyF]

Well, lets look at all of the problems I see here:

1) Safeties are stationary
2) #24 doesn't seem to have any desire to block downfield.
3) CB following WR across the field, away from the ball, when the RB has the ball and he has deep zone help.
4) #64 is sitting down, and I can't for the life of me see anyone who would have put him there.
5) The defensive lineman, #83?, is just standing there.
6) I don't see a beer tent.

[cartman]

Nah, the Safties are designated spies on the QB. Since it doesn't look like the QB moved, why should they move?

[cartman]

Dola,

Maybe #30 stole #24's girlfriend, so he has no desire to block for him. Didn't they mention teammate cohesion as one of the included features?

[sovereignstar]

I was listening to the radio up here in the north country and was pretty shocked when I heard this on the radio. Apparently they've got a radio campaign up their sleeve.

http://www.icppradio.com/ads/maxfootball.mp3

[yabanci]

I never get tired of these screenshots.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by Desmond

Am I mistaken in what Gone Gold means? How can it have gone gold and still have stuff being added to it?

The Box has Gone Gold, not the game...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Seems like if it had really "Gone Gold," then it would be available for purchse via download, would it not?

Why on earth would anyone purchase this game via download? You do realize you'd be missing out on the BOX ART, right? That's worth at least $10 of the price there!

[dawgfan]

Now, granted that this guy has dug himself a huge hole with his dismissive comments about the text sim genre and this board, so I don't have a lot of sympathy for him...

...BUT this is exactly the kind of thing that should prove just how fucking hard it is to try and pull off a marriage of 3D graphics and a sports text-sim. I give this guy credit for having the balls to try it, and I don't know how much help he's had in creating this thing, but it doesn't shock me that it's taken him so long to get the game ready for release.

As one who spent 5 years working on 3D football games, I speak from first-hand experience in telling you all how hard it is to make a 3D football game realistic enough to not draw all kinds of criticism on how it plays. Hell, look at Madden - they have 2 decades of making football games, and yet they still can't reproduce football close enough to satisfy all the critics. Pause a game of Madden at any point and I'm sure someone could find something on the screen that they could nit-pick.

I don't know whether this guy has any idea the world of criticism he's opening himself up to by representing football in 3D. Once you get to that point, people will stop considering who the developer is, how hard it is or what the intent was with the game in the first place - if you provide a 3D representation of football, people will want it to look as realistic as possible in terms of behavior (and to a lesser extent graphics). With his limited resources, there's simply no way his game will look anywhere near Madden or any of the other current 3D football games - he simply won't have enough animations, enough sophistication in his animation engine and an AI that has been run through the wringer in terms of testing.

Jim and Arlie and others have the luxury with text sims to present outcomes of plays (with maybe a minimal amount of in-play commentary telling you how the play is progressing). You don't get to "see" if the FS is taking a poor angle on a play or if your LG is standing around while a MLB blitzes right by him.

Even if this guy had attempted to recreate the old XOR football game with the top-down view of the game with X's and O's as players it would've been a lot of work, but also a lot less prone to this level of criticism.

Now, I know he's brought this criticism on with his attitude, and I think the comments here have been funny as hell, but it should also be a lesson to those that wish someone would just plug the FOF sim engine up with the Madden graphics engine and *PRESTO* you'd have the perfect football game. It's way, way harder than it sounds. As much as people like to harp on Madden, it's not Blitz - they're trying to mimic NFL play, and they still don't have a perfect result, and they've been doing it forever.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I was listening to the radio up here in the north country and was pretty shocked when I heard this on the radio. Apparently they've got a radio campaign up their sleeve.

http://www.icppradio.com/ads/maxfootball.mp3

You should have made this its own thread. This is ridiculously funny.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

As much as people like to harp on Madden, it's not Blitz - they're trying to mimic NFL play, and they still don't have a perfect result, and they've been doing it forever.

Maybe if they would stop spending so much time on stupid crap like "Superstar" mode...but 100% realistic game play doesn't sell copies of Madden, so I'm not sure exactly how much they are pushing in that direction.

And I can't blame them. Who in their right mind wants to sit down with their buddy for an hour or more and play out a game like this year's Super Bowl? Not the majority of the people who buy Madden, I'm sure.

[Buccaneer]

dawg, I agree with you. I still think back on my favorite football game (of any kind): Tom Landry Strategy Football (early-mid 90s). It had similar graphics and it was neat to watch the play you called (chosen from a playbook) unfold, including being able to play (or replay) it in vcr mode, like frame by frame. TLSF was more popular on the Mac because of the superior graphics and it beat anything FPS had until 98. I think there is a good market for this kind of game (but not this particular one) because I suspect many would love to see a text sim more visually. Look how excited people got seeing the 2D game in FM.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I was listening to the radio up here in the north country and was pretty shocked when I heard this on the radio. Apparently they've got a radio campaign up their sleeve.

http://www.icppradio.com/ads/maxfootball.mp3

well done.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I was listening to the radio up here in the north country and was pretty shocked when I heard this on the radio. Apparently they've got a radio campaign up their sleeve.

SUPERB!

I was waiting for the "Car salesman" voice at the end to say really fast "Estimated release date March 1 2045, developers not responsible for delays in release due to added features, graphics enhancements, or threatened project cancellation, maximum football does not guarantee statistical accuracy or any resemblance to reality, your mileage may vary"

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Oh good Lord, just pointed out on the Matrix Board. Quiksand will have a blast with this solid attention to detail...

What's wrong with this picture?

I haven't seen that crowd since NES's Pro Wrestling.

[ScottVib]

Hey that's an inside stadium (see weather Inside & 20 degrees C), what is the city doing there? Must be a mural.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I was listening to the radio up here in the north country and was pretty shocked when I heard this on the radio. Apparently they've got a radio campaign up their sleeve.

http://www.icppradio.com/ads/maxfootball.mp3

That is fucking hilarious.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by VPI97

That is fucking hilarious.

Awww.. linky is dead.

[JeeberD]

Just worked for me, Todd.

Out. Fucking. Standing.

sov gets two thumbs up.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I was listening to the radio up here in the north country and was pretty shocked when I heard this on the radio. Apparently they've got a radio campaign up their sleeve.

http://www.icppradio.com/ads/maxfootball.mp3

Holy shit that was funny as hell. Well done.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Awww.. linky is dead.

I thought it was too, but for some reason it won't work if you click on the link in someone's quote box (at least it didn't for me.) I scrolled up to sov's post and it worked.

And I concur with everyone else. Awesomesauce!

[bbor]

I think this thread should be stickied.....forever.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I was listening to the radio up here in the north country and was pretty shocked when I heard this on the radio. Apparently they've got a radio campaign up their sleeve.

http://www.icppradio.com/ads/maxfootball.mp3

Oh, my fucking shit. The mention of the cheetah gave me stomach cramps. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time.

[KWhit]

Did the cheetah have any special significance that I missed?

[sovereignstar]

That's actually Suicane, you guys. Figured the "real" link would've given that away. He deserves the props.

[JeeberD]

I was wondering if that was Sui. Because that voice sure didn't sound like anything that could come out of your skinny Minnesota ass...