The 2010 MLB Season Thread

[Sun Tzu]

Stay classy, Philly fans!

[Sun Tzu]

...and enjoy your long off-season...filled with "maybe next year" and "what went wrong?"

[Bad-example]

I'm planning on buying a WS hat. I'm leaning towards the orange Twins '47 hat in the sixth row. I'll be wearing it, not putting it in a box or on a shelf. Preferences, advice?

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[Scoobz0202]

Not bad. Out of those I personally prefer the all-white one on the row above it. Far right.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

...and enjoy your long off-season...filled with "maybe next year" and "what went wrong?"

You know, both of the franchises we cheer for have asked those questions for a long, long time. One championship doesn't make you a fan of a powerhouse, like it didn't for the Phils in '08.

Instead of being a sore winner, enjoy it, because it sure as hell doesn't last forever. I sure as hell enjoyed it. And I didn't go hating on Dodger fans for no reason, especially bringing something up that was commented on during the NLCS. But, then again, posts like the ones I'm addressing are the reason why I find it pointless to discuss sports anymore.

Have a good night.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by Comey

You know, both of the franchises we cheer for have asked those questions for a long, long time. One championship doesn't make you a fan of a powerhouse, like it didn't for the Phils in '08.

Instead of being a sore winner, enjoy it, because it sure as hell doesn't last forever. I sure as hell enjoyed it. And I didn't go hating on Dodger fans for no reason, especially bringing something up that was commented on during the NLCS. But, then again, posts like the ones I'm addressing are the reason why I find it pointless to discuss sports anymore.

Have a good night.

I would say it's unbelievable that a Phillies fan would tell a fan of another team not to gloat and pound their chest after their first World Series win in franchise history...but the fact of the matter is, it's very believable

[Comey]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I would say it's unbelievable that a Phillies fan would tell a fan of another team not to gloat and pound their chest after their first World Series win in franchise history...but the fact of the matter is, it's very believable

I'm glad you continued to generalize and stereotype.

This is why I stopped talking sports. Being cast in a light because of a few that *every* fanbase has has gotten *really* old.

And you know what? When the Phils won in 2008, all I was was thankful that I got to witness something like this. All there was was heartache. Do you know what it's like to cheer on a city like Philadelphia, even without the stereotypes that continually get thrown on you? Before the championship in 2008, the city went 25 years without a title. That was the longest drought for a city with four sports. The Eagles have been synonymous with choking and coming up short. The Phillies are the biggest losing franchise in sports history; they only have two titles in 127 years of professional baseball. Their first one came 97 years into their existence. They have 10,000 losses. This is the greatest run the franchise has *ever* had. The Sixers are a joke, and the Flyers, while okay, haven't won anything since 1975.

All in all, I'm thankful to be able to see my team win. I didn't go around and gloat and throw around stereotypes that, guess what, don't apply to everyone.

I imagine, based on the response I quoted, that this is pointless. But I'm completely sick and tired of people think that fans of a team are one certain way. Honestly, get over it. Enjoy your team's win. Don't take the opportunity to go bashing fans of a team that you beat. That's the definition of a sore winner, which you are proving to be.

[MrBug708]

To be fair Comey, Lincecum probably threw a battery at those fans after that picture was snapped.

[Sun Tzu]

I think I remember Barry Bonds whipping syringes into the stands too.

My only follow up to your post is this...

Boo-fucking-whoo.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I think I remember Barry Bonds whipping syringes into the stands too.

My only follow up to your post is this...

Boo-fucking-whoo.

This is the kind of attitude I was talking about when, at the start of the playoffs, I put the Giants dead last in rooting interest.

[Mr. Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So has anyone mentioend "Verducci Effect" for Bumgarner yet? About 140 IP in 2009, 215 in 2010. Will be interesting to see how he fares next year.

The interesting thing about Bumgarner is he seemed to get stronger as the Giants advanced in the playoffs. Game 4 against Texas was probably the best stuff he had all season. Dude is a big, broad-shouldered fella, so hopefully he'll be able to withstand the jump in innings.

[RedKingGold]

Let's bump the "2008 MLB Season Thread" after the Phillies won the championship and see how many Philly fans were bashing opposing fan bases.

Stay classy Sun Tzu.

[Sun Tzu]

Yeah...boy...I'm really laying into Phillies fans aren't I. I just won't stop...it's almost gotten to the point where this page in the thread needs to be heavily modded.

You can't be serious.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Stay classy, Philly fans!

Okay I like you...but at the same time when I brought up the fact that two kids holding a picture that said Phuck the Phillies you thought it was okay for two kids to be holding a sign that with some nifty grammar uses the F word. However, if this was a Phillies fan doing this you would be all in an uproar. Look at the flack that kid got that grabbed the beer and was photographed during a Phillies game earlier this year.



I said this before, congrats on your win...but quit being a hypocrite.

[Vince, Pt. II]

You guys are missing the point here.

A sign that says pigeon toed? Really?

[Sun Tzu]

Like I said before Brian, it's one thing to hold up signs that say phuck the phillies, it's another thing to hold up a sign reminding a guy that his wife cheated on him. You can't compare the two. One is a direct personal attack, the other (while of course it isn't acceptable) isn't in the same league.

That's like one guy #1 telling guy #2 he's a bitch, and then guy #2 punching guy #1's mother in the face, and then saying it's "basically the same thing."

[molson]

I think we should give the world series trophy every year to whatever team's fanbase is "classiest". I'd say that's either Toronto, or Tampa Bay. Maybe Pittsburgh.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Jesus, San Francisco fans are fucking unbearable.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Jesus, San Francisco fans are fucking unbearable.

Agreed. I think that pic was taken just before one of the kid's purposefully vomited on a Phillies fan passing by.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Agreed. I think that pic was taken just before one of the kid's purposefully vomited on a Phillies fan passing by.

Why does bad fan behavior bother you so much? Do you sit in the family-friendly, no swearing section at games to protect your delicate sensibilities? Just curious.

Your team wins the world series but you're more concerned with proper fan behavior.

[molson]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Media Life Magazine - World Series ratings tie for lowest ever

Classy fanbases aren't known for drawing ratings.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by molson

Why does bad fan behavior bother you so much? Do you sit in the family-friendly, no swearing section at games to protect your delicate sensibilities? Just curious.

If I said yes, would you feel happy? What if I said no?

I made two posts about fan behavior (far less than may others in this thread), over sevearl days, and was attacked from every angle as being a sore winner. So, I'm officially apologizing for pointing out that many phillies fans act despicably, and don't deserve a title. I'm obviously in the wrong here.

If you seriously, seriously think I have such a small grip on reality that I'm more concerned with the behavior of the fans of a team 3,000 miles away than winning a world title, then you can blow it out your ass. Maybe you should read the other posts in this thread from me...rather than making broad assumptions about me specifically, as a person and a fan, based on a few posts that you try oh so hard to take out of context. Thanks.

[molson]

I think along with W/L/Pct/GB there should be a column in the standings for classiness.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by molson

Why does bad fan behavior bother you so much? Do you sit in the family-friendly, no swearing section at games to protect your delicate sensibilities? Just curious.

Your team wins the world series but you're more concerned with proper fan behavior.

And meanwhile he acts like a douche. The irony.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

If I said yes, would you feel happy? What if I said no?

I made two posts about fan behavior (far less than may others in this thread), over sevearl days, and was attacked from every angle as being a sore winner. So, I'm officially apologizing for pointing out that many phillies fans act despicably, and don't deserve a title. I'm obviously in the wrong here.

If you seriously, seriously think I have such a small grip on reality that I'm more concerned with the behavior of the fans of a team 3,000 miles away than winning a world title, then you can blow it out your ass. Maybe you should read the other posts in this thread from me...rather than making broad assumptions about me specifically, as a person and a fan, based on a few posts that you try oh so hard to take out of context. Thanks.

A good chunk of this entire thread has been dedicated to the subject of Philly fan classiness (the most important baseball story of 2010, obviously), and I seam to recall this being one of your favorite subjects as well. If this is really the only two posts you've made on this, I'm mistaken and apologize.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by molson

I think we should give the world series trophy every year to whatever team's fanbase is "classiest". I'd say that's either Toronto, or Tampa Bay. Maybe Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh has fans?

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by molson

If this is really the only two posts you've made on this, I'm mistaken and apologize.

No worries...I would be surprised if I posted more than once back when this thread was going ballistic about fan behavior. I'm not usually one to point it out, but when fans get this personal (especially the Wife thing @ Pat Burrell) then it strikes a nerve with me.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

You can't compare the two... isn't in the same league.

Well, technically...

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Like I said before Brian, it's one thing to hold up signs that say phuck the phillies, it's another thing to hold up a sign reminding a guy that his wife cheated on him. You can't compare the two. One is a direct personal attack, the other (while of course it isn't acceptable) isn't in the same league.

That's like one guy #1 telling guy #2 he's a bitch, and then guy #2 punching guy #1's mother in the face, and then saying it's "basically the same thing."

I love Pat Burrell the ball player...but Pat Burrell the person was a womanizer and treated women like crap. If you don't believe me, I am sure some of my other Philly brethren could fill you in or if you'd like I can ask my one lady friend who has had run ins with Pat. So maybe...just maybe he isn't the saint you think he is. And I'm not saying that his wife cheating on him doesn't suck, but with his past, are we sure he was squeaky clean?

See while you think the personal attack is worse, I think the kids with that sign is worse but you keep imposing that your way is the correct way and I (among others) do not agree with you.

Your team won the World Series, so why the heck do you keep coming back to bash Philly fans? Do you think Pat Burrell cares...he got the last laugh?

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Pittsburgh has fans?

They only show up when the team starts winning and then they tell you they were fans all along

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

They only show up when the team starts winning and then they tell you they were fans all along

No wonder I lost track of them.

Seriously, it's a shame that great ballpark is wasted on the current management of the Pirates.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I made two posts about fan behavior (far less than may others in this thread), over sevearl days, and was attacked from every angle as being a sore winner. So, I'm officially apologizing for pointing out that many phillies fans act despicably, and don't deserve a title. I'm obviously in the wrong here.

I don't think you guys deserve a title because your fans were all lighting up joints in the stands and poor Josh Hamilton (a recovering addict) had to deal with the odor. Last time I checked pot was illegal.

See how silly that sounds?

[Bad-example]

Jesus, San Francisco fans are fucking unbearable.

[EagleFan]

We're back on this crap again? Seriously?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

I would say it's unbelievable that a Phillies fan would tell a fan of another team not to gloat and pound their chest after their first World Series win in franchise history...but the fact of the matter is, it's very believable

I believe you misunderstood what was said. What was said is... no need to act like an a**hole... but it that makes you feel better about yourself...

[Comey]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

No worries...I would be surprised if I posted more than once back when this thread was going ballistic about fan behavior. I'm not usually one to point it out, but when fans get this personal (especially the Wife thing @ Pat Burrell) then it strikes a nerve with me.

My problem wasn't with you bashing Phillies fans. It was doing it *way* after the NLCS ended. Why bring it back up now? Your team won the World Series. The Phillies and Giants haven't played each other in 2-3 weeks. Why bother bringing up something that's ridiculously old?

I do take issue with you saying that the Phillies don't deserve their title, though. It's so frustrating that stuff happens IN EVERY CITY, WITH EVERY SINGLE FAN BASE, and yet, it's ONLY Philadelphia that doesn't deserve a title? Give me a fucking break on that one. Hell, Yankees fans threw beer at Cliff Lee's wife. Should they have a title revoked?

It really comes off as immature and childish, hence the sore winner stuff. I really don't understand how you can't see that from A) the timing of your posts, and B) your subsequent responses to my post where I was quite civil. Boo-fucking-hoo (it's "hoo" by the way, not "whoo")? Really? You came off as having an agenda and wanting to stick it to Philly fans because the Giants won a championship that you, as a fan, got to enjoy. Again, if you can't see where I'm coming from on that, well...I apologize.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

And meanwhile he acts like a douche. The irony.

Have you ever read any of your posts on USC?

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

See while you think the personal attack is worse, I think the kids with that sign is worse but you keep imposing that your way is the correct way and I (among others) do not agree with you.

I'm with you on that one. The whole Ph-thing is stupid as it is, but doing it with children is abominable. Totally classless.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Have you ever read any of your posts on USC?

Have you ever read any posts by USC fans on UCLA? Or your own posts in support of Stanford? Or anyone who doesn't follow the sabermetric Bible like you do?

We all have our douche moments, and we're all wrong when we're being douches, me, you, Sun Tzu, everyone. One person's douchebaggery doesn't excuse that of others, nor doesn't remove anyone's right to call out others (so long as they acknowledge it themselves when they're the same way).

[kingfc22]

Ehhhh. Is this topic EVER going to end. Yeesh. You guys sound like a bunch of teenagers.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Ehhhh. Is this topic EVER going to end. Yeesh. You guys sound like a bunch of teenagers.

I thought it was long over, too.

[Sun Tzu]

Wait...am I being accused of saying it's perfectly fine for kids to hold up raunchy signs now? If so...yeesh. Maybe I should just put blank posts, since half the people don't even read what I say anyway. They'd rather just read a reaction based on a misunderstanding, then throw out accusations.

Now, if that's not the case...then nevermind

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Wait...am I being accused of saying it's perfectly fine for kids to hold up raunchy signs now? If so...yeesh. Maybe I should just put blank posts, since half the people don't even read what I say anyway. They'd rather just read a reaction based on a misunderstanding, then throw out accusations.

Now, if that's not the case...then nevermind

Never said that...I was trying to point out the fact that you overlook behavior like that when it is your team but are quick to jump on the same with the other team.

[Sun Tzu]

Eh...I don't think I was overlooking it. I just said that one was worse than the other for X reason, while still maintaining that both were bad.

[molson]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Ehhhh. Is this topic EVER going to end. Yeesh. You guys sound like a bunch of teenagers.

Teenagers, or maybe Englishman.

I can imagine maybe an English cricket thread dominated by discussions of which fanbases are classiest. But even for that, I'd have to imagine it being the 1800s.

[RomaGoth]

In other news, the Yankees are making an offer to Cliff Lee.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

In other news, the Yankees are making an offer to Cliff Lee.

Hey, we have a Hot Stove thread for a reason, people!

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hey, we have a Hot Stove thread for a reason, people!

[sterlingice]

Frankly, I didn't even know that was what it was until I poked my head in there today. Usually we have something for those of us oblivious to subtlety like "MLB Offseason Thread"

SI

[RomaGoth]

This is like an early Christmas present...

Updated: November 8, 2010, 8:24 PM ET
Jon Miller, Joe Morgan not returning


ESPN.com news services

Jon Miller and Joe Morgan's 21-year run on ESPN's "Sunday Night Baseball" is over.
Morgan's contract is expiring and he will not be renewed. Miller's contract is also expiring though he may remain at ESPN working the "Sunday Night Baseball" series and postseason baseball for ESPN Radio.
"Jon and Joe have contributed greatly to the success of 'Sunday Night Baseball' for the past 21 seasons," ESPN executive vice president Norby Williamson said in a statement Monday. "Over the last two decades, Joe went from Hall of Fame player to one of his sport's top analysts and Jon's Hall of Fame voice and tremendous knowledge of the game have connected with baseball fans everywhere. We owe them our deepest thanks for an outstanding body of work."
Miller, the play-by-play voice, received the Baseball Hall of Fame's 2010 Ford C. Frick Award. Morgan, the color commentator, was a two-time National League MVP with the Cincinnati Reds. The second baseman was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1990.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.