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10-15-2009, 07:30 PM | #6001 | |
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STIMULUS WATCH: Construction drives up new jobs - Yahoo! News
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I cant wait to see how the different sides interpret the data and the assumptions going forward
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I would say that most of the jobs appear temporary, and what they are doing has limited value and utility. It was fun being in Massachusetts 2 weeks ago and having all the new unnecessary highway signs that the stimulus bill had paid for pointed out. For example, Massachusetts' highways now have .1 mile markers strewn about, something that might have been useful back before EVERY cell phone had to have a GPS locator for 911 calls, but today, not so much. Still not sure where money is going around here, other than some of the education dollars that went to hiring new math tutors for at-risk kids rather than saving some of the teacher positions that got cut. Do they count those as "new jobs", or since other positions had to be cut at the same time is it a net loss?
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10-16-2009, 07:53 AM | #6004 | |
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I found some of the assumptions Flasch was referring to in his post.
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10-16-2009, 08:04 AM | #6005 |
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I think it's a fool's errand to try to tally jobs, but from what I've read there's pretty solid agreement that the stimulus added a couple points of GDP growth last quarter, not enough to see growth, but at least we weren't declining.
As for jobs being temporary, that's the goal. A well designed stimulus will create jobs temporarily to try to boost demand until the economy picks up and creates a more permanent demand. It would work even better if the group of moderates hadn't insisted it be not so big, full of non-stimulative tax cuts, and devoid of much direct aid to states, but at least they made David Broder happy.
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10-16-2009, 11:01 AM | #6006 | |
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IMO, this might be because Republicans tend to be more dogmatic about their party (especially lately) whereas most Democrats have come to see their party as a "Big Tent" with both its benefits & drawbacks. |
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10-16-2009, 11:21 AM | #6007 | |
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Yeah, I think that it is harder to pin down a typical Dem, so it is harder to find a DINO. You might have a lower-income, religious, homophobic black construction worker in a union in Cleveland and a rich athiest white gay environmentalist in San Francisco. Both of those people are "typical" Democrats, but they have very little to do with each other and would disagree on a lot of major policy issues and probably don't even really like each other. But you can't say who is and is not the DINO. |
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10-16-2009, 11:23 AM | #6008 | |
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Yeah, but look at who both parties got to run for President. Neither was a crazy extremist.
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10-16-2009, 12:17 PM | #6009 |
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When both Baucus and Grayson can be in the same party, what would it take to be "in name only"?
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10-16-2009, 01:24 PM | #6010 |
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Yes, and Bush was to the left of Hitler. What's the point? Isn't it obvious we're discussing this country and not parties outside? To be blunt, who gives a flying fuck about modern Europeans social democratic parties?
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10-16-2009, 01:38 PM | #6011 |
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Yeah, and you're to the left of Jesse Ewiak.
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10-16-2009, 01:50 PM | #6012 | |
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This. Left and Right are relative positions which are society determined, not some objective measurements.
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That's mean. You shouldn't say that about Jesse...I mean Steve.
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I agree with you that Left and Right are relative measurements, but I also agree with Steve's point about how the centerline has shifted rightward over the past 30-40 years. To me, that's where a comparison against the European left-right scale is interesting but not much more useful than that. It's my impression that their relative scale has stayed fairly static over the same timeframe (with shifts back and forth during that period of course). Politicians on the right there today would be centrist/leaning left on the American scale. But again, it's more just an interesting observation rather than something useful for American politics today.
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10-16-2009, 03:14 PM | #6015 | |
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Really? Progress on race relations, gay marriage, equal rights, environmental issues, consumer protections, reduced censorship... And we've moved RIGHT? One reason you have such a vocal right-wing right now is the movement left.
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To be fair to Jesse I think he was speaking economically.
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Let's go with "changes in" rather than "progress". Otherwise there's a whole other argument to be had & this thread has enough subplots as it is
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10-16-2009, 03:34 PM | #6018 | |
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you know my opinion of the Stimulus Bill as I know yours...hence my statement that it'll be spun both ways. Which one is truth? Doesnt matter really.
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10-16-2009, 08:13 PM | #6019 |
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It may be fluff compared to the other stuff talked about in this thread, but I really hope Obama pardons Jack Johnson. Long overdue.
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Amen.
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10-17-2009, 09:55 PM | #6023 | |
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From CNN.com
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10-17-2009, 10:09 PM | #6024 | |
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what do you mean?
I was just posting an applicable article to the thread. Whether its interpreted beyond that is up to ya'll for now since Im going to bed.
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10-17-2009, 11:00 PM | #6027 | |
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Sports analogy... Unemployment is up hundreds and hundreds of thousands but our report that said we saved 30K jobs was wrong by 5-10K... The Cardinals trade Albert Pujols (.327, 50 HR ) for Nick Johnson (.290, 8 HR) .... You don't like that trade? But we forgot to publish we also got Geovany Soto!!! (.215 10 HR's) Last edited by panerd : 10-17-2009 at 11:02 PM. |
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10-18-2009, 12:16 AM | #6028 |
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Isn't unemployment all bullshit anyway? I mean they stop tracking you after a year and don't count if you're just taking a part-time job to get by. I know a lot of people who had their hours cut back a lot.
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10-18-2009, 07:13 AM | #6029 |
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oh, well for me the unemployment # and 'real' unemployment are a gap that makes me shake my head and also causes my disbelief in the stock market's rise...
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I do NOT agree that this time it is as lagging as it has been in the past (albeit still lagging). I've been wrong thus far in correlating the markets move to this philosophy but I believe that gap is much smaller this time than in the past. Top line numbers for these companies show they only created $ through cuts and rarely have beaten expectations without simply looking at cost cutting measures. And dont even get me started on the banks numbers. I dont see where the growth that the stock market IMO is predicting is going to come from. That all being said I have been wrong up until now so WTF do I know.
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Certainly an interesting day on the airwaves yesterday regarding the administration attacks on Fox News that we discussed earlier in the thread. Rather than easing up, the administration officials have increased their attack on Fox on multiple networks. Here's Axelrod and Emanuel in their appearances.............
Axelrod, Emanuel Criticize Fox News: "It's Not Really News" (VIDEO) Fox News covered it on their end........... White House Escalates War on Fox News - Political News - FOXNews.com And new footage where an administration official discusses their manipulation of information being given to media outlets............. White House boasts: We 'control' news media I'm not sure who decided this was a battle the administration wanted to wage, but it just seems like a waste of time given the more pressing matters at hand. I still can't see any positive outcome from an adminstration perspective. Passing some legislation would be far more impactful at this point. |
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I think it is a sign that the administration is under some intense pressure. Why in the world would they take on any news outlet? All it does is give greater credibility to that outfit and their message.
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Youre right the only positive thing was the Fox News Editor admitting what he admitted (which is probably true of most of the crappy news organizations out there)...at least Fox admitted it.
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Again, do you even read the WorldNetDaily crap you post on here? This is from a conference IN JANUARY talking about "President Obama's presidential campaign."
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I'm not sure that it gives them greater credibility per se, but it definitely gives them a larger audience and only further inflames the situation. Fox News has got to be loving the fact that they were the focus of attention on every Sunday morning news program and even some of the 24/7 news outlets. It's just a badly misjudged move by the Obama administration to think that this hurts Fox News in any way. |
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Every administration tries to control their message. Why do you think Bush refused every interview request from the NYT for eight years? There's not much news in "White House press shop tries to control message".
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Well, la de fucking da, that's certainly not the disingenuous way you presented it.
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LOL - I gotta agree with Ronnie here (and keep in mind he's nominally on your side). You can't post an article from January discussing the presidential campaign and claim it's "new footage" and defend it by saying "well obviously it's continued."
that's pretty...weak
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The article was posted yesterday (not January) with the footage. I'll be happy to agree with you if you've seen that footage posted previously. I personally have not. I'd also note that Ronnie and I generally aren't on the same side. We disagree more often than we agree (not that there's anything wrong with that). Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 10-19-2009 at 10:04 AM. |
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Feds to issue new medical marijuana policy
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I do like that. I'm a firm believer in not wasting our time on marijuana anymore. Sure, we should enforce any driving under the influence laws, but let people use it. Would save a ton of money on enforcement and wasted jail cells. I do think a certain percentage of users would move on to other drugs that should remain illegal, but marijuana in my eyes is no different than alcohol. I should note that I've never even tried the stuff. Never appealed to me personally. |
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Essentialy they want all 50 states to have their own medical marijuana law. Then like in California people can just go buy weed. Then they have legalized it without actually legalizing it. Don't get me wrong it is a move that I completely support but why can't Obama (or Bush or Clinton or Bush I, etc...) just come out and say what MBBF said in his previous post? |
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"Soft on drugs," "ruining the nation's youth," etc. Political implications take precedence over doing what is sensible. |
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MJ was recently decriminalized in MA despite nearly *ALL* the establishment (police, DA, mayors, state legislators) urging the voters to vote no. We're about a year into it and it doesn't seem to have changed anything for the worse. Right after it took effect there were a few articles in the conservative Herald with police chiefs talking about how hard its made their lives, but it quieted down quickly.
In my mind, the only legitimate argument against it is that getting a true criminal for possession can make it easier (through PC) to get that guy for the really bad stuff, but I'm not sure that alone is worth the fight.
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