11-24-2021, 04:03 PM | #6001 | |
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11-24-2021, 05:25 PM | #6002 |
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Hope all 3 have a real fun time in prison. Not sure why they didn't go for death for the son who pulled the trigger.
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11-24-2021, 06:26 PM | #6003 |
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Because the prosecuter did not want to have to argue in front of a "death qualified" jury, which is generally more conservative than a regular jury.
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11-24-2021, 06:36 PM | #6004 | |
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How does the hate crime work in relation to the state charges? Is it a totally separate murder trial?
I'm guessing they'll be able to use this evidence that was not permissible in the state trial? Ahmaud Arbery trial: Georgia jurors not permitted to hear explosive evidence Quote:
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11-24-2021, 07:06 PM | #6005 |
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Federal trial. I would guess yes on that evidence.
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11-24-2021, 08:42 PM | #6006 |
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I worked on a hate crime trial where an issue was whether we could get in that the defendant had a swastika on his truck, even though the victim wasn't Jewish, and the swastika had nothing to do with the crime. The trial court let it in and the appellate court affirmed after the conviction. I think there's a good argument to go even deeper into evidence of someone's racist views in a case where racial animosity as a motive is an element the state has to prove.
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11-24-2021, 08:42 PM | #6007 |
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I worked on a hate crime case where an issue at trial was whether the state could get in that the defendant had a swastika on his truck, even though the victim wasn't Jewish, and the swastika had nothing to do with the crime. The trial court let it in and the appellate court affirmed after the conviction. I think there's a good argument to go even deeper into evidence of someone's racist views in a case where racial animosity as a motive is an element the state has to prove.
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11-25-2021, 03:27 AM | #6008 |
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so like is everyone else on this site a lawyer now except me and pilot? lol
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11-25-2021, 05:16 AM | #6009 |
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I am not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night while watching Court TV.
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11-25-2021, 10:41 AM | #6010 |
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11-26-2021, 01:08 PM | #6011 |
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11-26-2021, 01:18 PM | #6012 | |
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11-26-2021, 01:25 PM | #6013 |
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I just can't understand the mindset. Why bring a gun into that situation?
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11-26-2021, 02:08 PM | #6014 |
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That is just upsetting. By the laws of Texas he is not getting charged for that.
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11-27-2021, 07:11 AM | #6015 | |
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This is a tough one. I would have de-escalated by just going inside the house, locking the door, calling the cops. The victim may have escalated more by breaking in, and if so, I would have no hesitation in shooting him.
However, just by the video and bit & pieces I've read (I would like to know if there was a history of confrontations leading up to this, was there a history of spousal abuse etc.), the victim was obviously aggressive and continued to threaten even after a warning shot. The victim then tries to grab the weapon which is a no-no. This is when it turns from a chest bumping into a real threat. So was it self-defense, I'd say borderline yes. Could this have easily de-escalated or stopped with less lethal means, yes. Will the shooter get convicted in Texas, I'd say no. Quote:
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11-27-2021, 10:16 AM | #6016 |
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As far as I could tell, the first guy wasn't threatening violence or trying to break into the house. The gun was unnecessary and acted to escalate the situation. That said, the "victim" then turned violent and threatening. That was the reason he got shot. This is what laws like "stand your ground" can create. That turned from a situation that the police could have easily handled to a dead person because a gun was introduced into the scene. The guy was staying 6 foot away from the woman he was yelling at and threatening court, not violence. Unless maybe there is a history of violence toward her? Then maybe getting a gun would have been justified? IDK the history beyond the video.
I will say never use a warning shot. That might be the thing that this guy could get into trouble for. Bullets don't just disappear. They go somewhere. A bullet shot into the ground can ricochet and hit anyone in that area. A bullet fired in the air hit someone up to a mile away. Don't fire the weapon unless you intend to hit a target. |
11-27-2021, 10:24 AM | #6017 | |
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So what you are saying is you are cool living in a society where any moron can grab a gun to "defend" themselves, despite the gun not actually being needed, then when the person they are "defending" themselves against feels threatened and attempts to disarm the person with the gun, they can shoot them an claim self defense. Do you realize how ludicrous that is? |
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11-27-2021, 10:39 AM | #6018 | |
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11-27-2021, 10:43 AM | #6019 | |
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That is exactly what happened. How can you see it any differently? The gun was absolutely not needed, the warning shot was absolutely not needed. Only one person held a gun. The other one is dead. Yet the one with the gun claims they felt threatened. The math isn't hard. |
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11-27-2021, 10:58 AM | #6020 | |
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If it is lawful to have a gun, then it is lawful to have a gun. Possession of a gun is not in and of itself a threat or a violent act. |
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11-27-2021, 10:59 AM | #6021 |
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Dipshit doesn't bring out the gun, no one dies. Period.
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11-27-2021, 11:02 AM | #6022 |
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Sure, but is it not illegal to have a gun on your property. If the dipshit doesn't attack him, he doesn't get shot.
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11-27-2021, 11:10 AM | #6023 |
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EDIT - I am rushing to judgement here some. Not knowing the history of this situation, dipshit may have been justified to bring out the gun. If the other guy has been violent in the past, then I can see a reason to have the gun.
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11-27-2021, 11:13 AM | #6024 |
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not needed
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11-27-2021, 11:19 AM | #6025 |
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That is where I am at the more I think about it. If that is my wife and that guy has been violent in the past, I would definitely had grabbed a gun. I am not shooting someone over personal property, but if someone threatens my wife or family....
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11-27-2021, 11:29 AM | #6026 |
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I think this situation is exactly what Texans want, and exactly how they want things handled. Yeah...it's stupid, and the end result is bad, but both these guys handled things poorly. Like really, really poorly. This one you walk away from judging the whole bottom line. You'd have a very difficult time trying to prove any other malice or intent.
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11-27-2021, 04:04 PM | #6027 | |
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11-27-2021, 07:12 PM | #6028 |
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Yeah, there are plenty of people happy that the law makes it easier to get away with killing people, cause you just never know when you might need to shoot someone.
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11-27-2021, 07:51 PM | #6029 |
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This is a situation where if you change the color of the people involved's skin and say it happened in another country people would be amazed at how uncivilized they are.
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Other than the victim having a gun (he didn't, the cop was told victim had a knife), I can't see any justification here (and the cop had a taser). Looks like the cop just lost it.
Article didn't go indepth on the officer other than he was on the force for 4 years. Wouldn't be surprised if there is a history here. Tucson police shooting: Man in wheelchair killed, Ryan Remington fired Quote:
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12-01-2021, 12:51 PM | #6031 | |
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12-02-2021, 04:55 PM | #6032 |
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12-02-2021, 05:26 PM | #6033 | |
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Hah, I read that also and thought exactly the same. |
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12-02-2021, 05:44 PM | #6034 | |
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I wouldn't be. There's too many people in general that think violence = uncivilized. A lot of unjustified violence definitely legitimately fits in that category, but some violence is part and parcel of civilization. When you're physically aggressive and confrontational to someone who has a gun, on their property, this is an expected outcome. |
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12-02-2021, 06:42 PM | #6035 | |
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Okay, I am going to rant a little bit, first off, why the fuck is he getting to do interviews from jail after intentionally running over 6 people? Second to his mother. I am pretty fucking sure he could have gotten on Medicaid and I can tell you, Medicaid members have access to more mental health assistance available than most of the general population not on Medicaid. AHCCCS in Arizona pays for innumerable treatments that commercial insurance and Medicare don't cover/won't touch and that includes transportation to get to these appointments. The one flaw in the laws here are that people can refuse treatment and can't be forced to stay inpatient, or continue treatment if they don't want to. But guess what Mom, that is where FAMILY comes into play. Instead of bitching about the system, put some effort into getting your son help. And yes I know, the system can still be improved, but he had access to treatment beyond what most of us not covered on a Medicaid plan can get. |
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12-14-2021, 06:55 PM | #6036 |
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For any lawyers on the board, would something like this allow for those convicted to seek an appeal? Always wonder when a judge turns out to be bias or corrupt, do the people the Judge presided over have any chance to appeal on those grounds?
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Not a lawyer, but my guess is doubtful. Appeals are usually a pretty high bar.
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12-21-2021, 06:58 PM | #6038 |
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Again, I don't know if this is the right thread but as a mental exercise, compare the current story about the (Cuban immigrant) truck driver who just got 110 years for causing an accident which killed four with the "affluenza" teen.
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If it's true that his truck was not maintained correctly and he did not receive proper training (including what a runaway truck ramp was and how to use it), then it's a pretty improper exercise of justice:
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Putting this here since it relates to shootings... I'm going to guess "lack of sleep" and "unexpected cost over-runs on updates to my second residence" will not go over well if this guy is stupid enough to go to a jury trial.
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Over 2 years to arrest the guy? I get being thorough but damn. |
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12-24-2021, 08:41 AM | #6042 |
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Well, THAT's reassuring.
Almost makes you feel good when it's merely incompetence. 14-year-old girl in dressing room of Burlington fatally shot by LAPD - Los Angeles Times
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12-28-2021, 08:34 PM | #6045 |
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With miami_fan's link in mind:
Family seeking answers after loved one is found hanged in South Side police cell - Chicago Sun-Times
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and there they go....
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01-10-2022, 05:43 PM | #6047 |
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Two weeks vacation.
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01-11-2022, 11:17 AM | #6048 |
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Well, it is going to be better now. They will have to pay a settlement since the case was already adjudicated, then he gets to retire early and keep his pension. The business of bigotry is booming.
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Lucky no one else was hurt.
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