Werewolf L Kate Beckinsale - day 7, deadline Thursday 10pm Eastern Time

[KWhit]

By the way, I might switch to Neon, but will only do so if enough others move so we don't tie it up.

[KWhit]

Here the vote count I have:
4 - Alan T - Gonzo (474), Neon_Chaos (512), RendeR (540), Cartman (554)
2 - RendeR - Chief Rum (574), KWhit (585)
2 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick (531), Telle (557)
2 - Tanglewood - path12 (578), JHandley (582)
2 - Neon Chaos - Antmeister (589), Barkeep49 (596)

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Two other players also voted for No lynch on day one and then for Barkeep on day two: Telle and Antmeister. I'll dig up their reasoning in just a minute.

Telle voted no lynch on day one because she trusted Barkeep, despite pointing out it was odd for him to argue to not lynch based on his WW history. On day 2 she dropped in right near the deadline and offered no explaination for her vote for Barkeep.

Antmeister voted no lynch on day 1 essentially because he was afraid of lynching a good guy. On day 2 he "agreed with Lathum about Barkeep's aggresiveness".

Not sure what that tells us, but anyway...

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE NEON CHAOS

just wanted to see if there was support for a vote for him

[tanglewood]

Day three and there is still so little to go on. It's maddening.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

If we can't avoif another no lynch why are you voting for someone who currently has 1 vote? Even if the other two who have agreed to switch do so it still only ties it up at 4 each with Alan and Render with 3. Some way of guarenteeing a lynch.

No lynch is guarneteed. But I should be around at lynch time, as will others. I think an hour and a half out it's fine to tie up the vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

ah. Well in that case BK...i have less sympathy for his play this game. Although if it did start early and put him in a bad position that's unfortunate...but he's at least been around enough that he could have told us that.

[KWhit]

4 - Alan T - Gonzo (474), Neon_Chaos (512), RendeR (540), Cartman (554)
3 - Neon Chaos - Antmeister (589), Barkeep49 (596), DaddyTorgo (604)

2 - RendeR - Chief Rum (574), KWhit (585)
2 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick (531), Telle (557)
2 - Tanglewood - path12 (578), JHandley (582)

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Telle voted no lynch on day one because she trusted Barkeep, despite pointing out it was odd for him to argue to not lynch based on his WW history. On day 2 she dropped in right near the deadline and offered no explaination for her vote for Barkeep.

Antmeister voted no lynch on day 1 essentially because he was afraid of lynching a good guy. On day 2 he "agreed with Lathum about Barkeep's aggresiveness".

Not sure what that tells us, but anyway...

I'm pretty convinced that Barkeep's no wolf. Look who voted for him and you'll agree.

[KWhit]

It's still early enough for me to tie it up with this:

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE NEON CHAOS

Obviously, we need to not have a tie tonight, but I think NC is a better lynch tonight than AlanT.

[path12]

Damnit, this is too close. We do not need a close vote that can be tied up at the end.

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD
VOTE ALAN T

I feel there is a better chance Tangle is bad than Alan, but we need a lynch and I'd rather go this way than Neon.

[Alan T]

I'll likely vote to save myself. So if anyone else votes for me tonight, you'll be causing a tie. Just a warning

[path12]

Originally Posted by KWhit

It's still early enough for me to tie it up with this:

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE NEON CHAOS

Obviously, we need to not have a tie tonight, but I think NC is a better lynch tonight than AlanT.

Why is Neon better? Because he hasn't been around like he already stated he wouldn't be on the weekend? As opposed to Alan who had the strange PM night 1 and the funky vote yesterday? Nope, I don't buy that. Like I said, I'd rather go Tangle (or Render) but Alan seems more likely than Neon IMO.

[KWhit]

5 - Alan T - Gonzo (474), Neon_Chaos (512), RendeR (540), Cartman (554), Path12 (611)
4 - Neon Chaos - Antmeister (589), Barkeep49 (596), DaddyTorgo (604), KWhit (610)
2 - Barkeep49 - Dodgerchick (531), Telle (557)
1 - Tanglewood - JHandley (582)
1 - RendeR - Chief Rum (574)

[Alan T]

And Path puts us into a position to be tied.... Path, I would ask you consider voting for Neon if you feel very strongly that you don't want a tie. As I can tie it back up, whereas Neon has his vote on me as well.

If you are voting for the sake of not having a tie that is.

[DaddyTorgo]

alan

how do you feel about the case against neon?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ah. Well in that case BK...i have less sympathy for his play this game. Although if it did start early and put him in a bad position that's unfortunate...but he's at least been around enough that he could have told us that.

He did tell us that, today. Late, but he did mention it.

So I see two of our non-voters, Gonzo and tangle, in the thread now. Hopefully they'll cast a vote.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

alan

how do you feel about the case against neon?

I voted for Neon last night, and my point still remains that I would rather have an active villager than one who hasn't been around if I had to choose between the two. I said earlier in the day that I felt Render or Tanglewood were better votes, but I'll vote Neon again tonight to save myself (or tie it up if Path keeps his vote there)

[Barkeep49]

Telle is also in the thread and she has a vote on neither of our two top vote getters. But again with an hour plus we need not panic about ties. In fact, I only grow concerned about them in the last 10 minutes.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

He did tell us that, today. Late, but he did mention it.

So I see two of our non-voters, Gonzo and tangle, in the thread now. Hopefully they'll cast a vote.

Gonzo voted for me earlier.
I'm hoping he or Path move their vote.

[Barkeep49]

I'm naming people specifically so if we do end up with a tie, we have an idea of who was around when.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Gonzo voted for me earlier.
I'm hoping he or Path move their vote.

You're right. My bad, he's not one of the non-voters.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm naming people specifically so if we do end up with a tie, we have an idea of who was around when.

Well I'm going to be pretty suspicious of the people who have been trumpeting around how horrible ending in a tie is, if they voted for me putting us into a position of a tie. (You have to assume I'll vote self preservation here, so a vote like Path's smells bad)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by path12

Why is Neon better? Because he hasn't been around like he already stated he wouldn't be on the weekend? As opposed to Alan who had the strange PM night 1 and the funky vote yesterday? Nope, I don't buy that. Like I said, I'd rather go Tangle (or Render) but Alan seems more likely than Neon IMO.

I think Alan has brought too much heat on himself with the PM reveal and the weird votes to be a wolf, IMO. A wolf likely wouldn't be quite so controversial.

It's possible that he's making trying to hide in plain sight, but I don't buy it at this point in time.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

He did tell us that, today. Late, but he did mention it.

So I see two of our non-voters, Gonzo and tangle, in the thread now. Hopefully they'll cast a vote.

I voted for Alan T just as the day began.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

And Path puts us into a position to be tied.... Path, I would ask you consider voting for Neon if you feel very strongly that you don't want a tie. As I can tie it back up, whereas Neon has his vote on me as well.

If you are voting for the sake of not having a tie that is.

Alan, if it came down to that at the end I would switch to ensure a lynch. I'd rather it be the two people I mentioned earlier. But absent that I just think you're a better candidate than Neon.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I think Alan has brought too much heat on himself with the PM reveal and the weird votes to be a wolf, IMO. A wolf likely wouldn't be quite so controversial.

It's possible that he's making trying to hide in plain sight, but I don't buy it at this point in time.

Yes, but you're assuming he knows he's a wolf. If the conversion isn't instant, and when he recieved the night PM he wasn't told he was a wolf, then revealing the PM would make perfect sense.

[path12]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I think Alan has brought too much heat on himself with the PM reveal and the weird votes to be a wolf, IMO. A wolf likely wouldn't be quite so controversial.

It's possible that he's making trying to hide in plain sight, but I don't buy it at this point in time.

Fine, but the only rationale for Neon is that he hasn't been available at a time that he has said he wouldn't be available. What kind of reason is that?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

Alan, if it came down to that at the end I would switch to ensure a lynch. I'd rather it be the two people I mentioned earlier. But absent that I just think you're a better candidate than Neon.

Fair enough, I'm just making it very clear in this thread in case it does end in a tie, that I'm not to blame for self preservation. And its your vote that did it

[KWhit]

Out for a bit. I'll try to be back by the deadline.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Yes, but you're assuming he knows he's a wolf. If the conversion isn't instant, and when he recieved the night PM he wasn't told he was a wolf, then revealing the PM would make perfect sense.

I'll also note for the record that Gonzo completely ignored my challenge earlier on the whole bogus slow conversion thing. He didn't answer because he can't. I'm right about it and he has no good answer for it.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'll likely vote to save myself. So if anyone else votes for me tonight, you'll be causing a tie. Just a warning

How would one more person voting for you cause a tie? You're leading the vote by one at the moment, you can't force a tie on your own.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

How would one more person voting for you cause a tie? You're leading the vote by one at the moment, you can't force a tie on your own.

I was commenting on it before Path voted for me. At the time it was tied up, and path untied it 5-4 and I still have a vote I can make to put it as 5-5.

[Alan T]

ie: yes, right now I can force a tie at 5-5, which is why Path stating we need a lynch then putting us into a position of a tie contradicts himself.

[tanglewood]

I would ideally like to vote for either DaddyTorgo of path12 tonight, but I can see that's unlikely to be of much use right now.

If it came down to Neon Chaos or Alan T, I will vote for Alan T, but neither of them are all that high up on my suspicion list.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'll also note for the record that Gonzo completely ignored my challenge earlier on the whole bogus slow conversion thing. He didn't answer because he can't. I'm right about it and he has no good answer for it.

Bogus slow conversion thing? Explain.

[Alan T]

Telle, are you planning on moving your vote, or keeping it on Barkeep?

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Alan T

ie: yes, right now I can force a tie at 5-5, which is why Path stating we need a lynch then putting us into a position of a tie contradicts himself.

Well he can vote for who he thinks is most likely bad right now regardless. Voting is so fluid, especially as you get near the deadline that no one player can force a tie on their own.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Bogus slow conversion thing? Explain.

I challenged you before to show me any examples of slow conversion in our WW games here that didn't have some kind of doctor role in the game, and in return I would show you a ll kinds of cases where A player had the ability to inhibit another person's actions for a night. In the end my list would be longer than yours (if you even had a list).

You never replied, I assume the silence because you have no reply.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I challenged you before to show me any examples of slow conversion in our WW games here that didn't have some kind of doctor role in the game, and in return I would show you a ll kinds of cases where A player had the ability to inhibit another person's actions for a night. In the end my list would be longer than yours (if you even had a list).

This is my first Werewolf game. I have no idea.

At any rate, a doctor role in all the game's I've seen it used means that the person who was saved from the wolves couldn't speak during the next day cycle.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

This is my first Werewolf game. I have no idea.

At any rate, a doctor role in all the game's I've seen it used means that the person who was saved from the wolves couldn't speak during the next day cycle.

The -only- game I have ever seen where there was a conversion that didn't happen instantly was the Spawn games, and in them the doctor could cure the person if they got to them in time. I still think this whole thing is a reach, and an attempt at people to try to focus the lynch on a villager instead of wolves now for 2 days.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I would ideally like to vote for either DaddyTorgo of path12 tonight, but I can see that's unlikely to be of much use right now.

If it came down to Neon Chaos or Alan T, I will vote for Alan T, but neither of them are all that high up on my suspicion list.

I will point out that I find path12 suspicious because:

1) He was the first player on Day 1 to vote for No Lynch, a policy which we can see now was clearly damaging to the village

2) On day two he voted for Render almost immediately after the night actions were announced because Render stated he received no pm, a tremendously flimsy reason, then didn't move it all day.

[Alan T]

Think about it as well, other than Neon who voted me out of spite for last night, Path is the only "veteran" who has their vote on me. Every other person hasn't played many games with me.

Ask yourself ... why does every single veteran think its a bad move to lynch me today?

[path12]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I would ideally like to vote for either DaddyTorgo of path12 tonight, but I can see that's unlikely to be of much use right now.

Is there a reason besides that I suspect you?

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

This is my first Werewolf game. I have no idea.

At any rate, a doctor role in all the game's I've seen it used means that the person who was saved from the wolves couldn't speak during the next day cycle.

It is not your first Werewolf game. You have played in several and GM'ed at least two on another message board.

[path12]

Oh, never mind, I see you answered above.

[Barkeep49]

I'm sure there's been at least one other delayed conversion game.

Also, I think it would make sense for our seer to scan Alan tonight. If he's bad he'll be bad by now. Otherwise he's good.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

It is not your first Werewolf game. You have played in several and GM'ed at least two on another message board.

Poor guy, busted by his own brother!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm sure there's been at least one other delayed conversion game.

Also, I think it would make sense for our seer to scan Alan tonight. If he's bad he'll be bad by now. Otherwise he's good.

Doesn't look like I will get a chance to as people would rather vote for someone who might or might not have changed into a wolf, than someone who started as one.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

ie: yes, right now I can force a tie at 5-5, which is why Path stating we need a lynch then putting us into a position of a tie contradicts himself.

Just to make sure the record is straight while you keep trying to put heat on me -- if you look at the times, KWhit and I switched our votes at the same time. I'm still hoping one of the Neon or other voters decides to switch.