02-12-2011, 12:04 PM | #601 |
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I really hope the person that won the "Show Bids" Service still does it as it still might shed some light on a few things but at the same time it may not do anything at all if this was indeed the case.
If I had to guess, the leader in the betting category was probably Darth with possibly Lathum right behind. If this person were to reveal the numbers for us we'd probably have a good starting point on where a wolf might be based on bets for Darth..but then again, who the eff knows. |
02-12-2011, 12:13 PM | #602 | |
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Checking in after giving the ACT this morning. All kinds of funky stuff going on. I know where I'm going in the next vote..... You and hoops are getting kinda cuddly don't ya think?
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02-12-2011, 12:28 PM | #603 | |
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02-12-2011, 12:32 PM | #604 | |
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Actually, it is hugely different than using a duke power: 1.) Duke power is a one-time deal 2.) Duke picks who is lynched 3.) This action helped provide insight (assuming I'm reading it right) into the tie-break mechanism Now, I'm not going to have pretended to think about it this deeply last night. I just figured I would let me vote stick and have the cards fell where they may since all outcomes seemed about the same in my mind. But the act was vastly different than the analogy that you are painting. |
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02-12-2011, 12:37 PM | #606 | |
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02-12-2011, 01:57 PM | #607 |
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I am not sure what Hoops would have to gain by admitting what happened. If he was a wolf it puts a target on his back that clearly no wolf wants. Not only is he a viable lynch candidate with people being suspicious of him, he also made himself a prime target for the opposite wolf faction for a night kill.
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02-12-2011, 03:39 PM | #608 |
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It saves us a whole day of trying to figure out what happened. Assuming he isn't a wolf it also means the wolves voted acting under the assumption the lynch would go down as planned, which means we can gain value from the voting.
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02-12-2011, 03:39 PM | #609 |
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The only hint of foul play I could gain from that hoops reveal is that he knows he's a very likely target to be scanned early, especially if a veteran player wins the service. By revealing a role, that would lessen the likelihood of him being scanned. But this is all speculation - I find it unlikely that he is a wolf at this point, or that the wolves would have such a power. It is possible that he looked at the vote count and used this as a lie, knowing that it was in fact a mob action - but that seems a bit out there for hoops. Just some food for thought.
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02-12-2011, 03:51 PM | #610 | |
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yeah this is what i meant. But if the situation was caused by hoops (assuming he's telling the truth) that discredits my thoery
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02-12-2011, 03:51 PM | #611 |
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I mean telling the truth about not being a wolf
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02-12-2011, 04:11 PM | #612 |
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Wow, last night was...bizarre. Still gathering my thoughts.
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02-12-2011, 04:16 PM | #614 | |
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I believe you may be right. Time will tell, of course, but right now, he's as likely a candidate as anyone.
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02-12-2011, 04:18 PM | #615 |
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That's what Tequila will do to you my friend
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02-12-2011, 04:18 PM | #616 |
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reffering to Lathum
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02-12-2011, 04:19 PM | #617 |
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Okay, in this game, with so much going on, it's hard to really tell what's really happening.
Hoops' theory is interesting, and if he's telling the truth, it's certainly something to consider. That said, it just feels a bit far-fetched. This had the feel of a duke move gone bad.
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Then why not keep us guessing? Why the reveal at all? |
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02-12-2011, 04:21 PM | #620 |
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Yeah, stream of thought posting, not always good. But in any case, I'm not ready to give over to hoops' theory yet, so I don't know that DV wasn't the engineer of last night's lynching.
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02-12-2011, 04:25 PM | #621 |
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I didn't say hoops was the architect of last night and that he's revealing to some ulterior motive. I actually believe hoops has the power he says he does and that the vote was essentially a tie last night. So the unknown tie mechanism is certainly a factor consider. But there are many ways to break a tie in a WW game, and lynching the third candidate is pretty far down the list of likely outcomes. I believe hoops has his power, and is trying to make sense of things, so he revealed to point out this possibility. Kudos to him. That doesn't mean that's what happened. It could still just be a duking.
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02-12-2011, 04:28 PM | #622 |
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Questions for Autumn: Can you bid "$0" for a service and get it if no one else bids? Or does a minimum of $1 need to be bid?
Also, what happens if two people bid the same amount for a service?
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02-12-2011, 04:51 PM | #623 |
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It absolutely could be a duking, but I don't understand why it would be duked to PackerFanatic. If there was someone who bought/used a duke ability they may as well come out and admit it ... don't see reasons to hide that if they are a villager. Everyone screws up from time to time.
Oh well, we'll have answers at the end of the game on this. But if that "duke reveal" isn't forthcoming then I'm likely to act as if the tie-breaker is "next man not in tie" for voting. |
02-12-2011, 04:59 PM | #624 | |
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02-12-2011, 04:59 PM | #625 |
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Well, it could have been a mafia duking away from DV (or DT if it was submitted earlier), but yeah we really don't have any confirmation on that sort of thing. For right now we have to assume the tiebreaker mechanism you mentioned is what happened. People are welcome to discuss their thoughts on it, but it won't have to guide the day's discussion.
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02-12-2011, 05:01 PM | #626 |
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I honestly have no clue what to make of yesterday, I'm inclined to believe Hoops but i'm not trusting anyone 100% (besides myself). I don't think it was a duke though, I mean who would duke to PF with everyone on me DT, and lathum?
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02-12-2011, 05:12 PM | #627 |
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Well, a few hours away from finding out what happens next. I'm curious to see what the new services will be for the day.
I think it's been said somewhere but the services that are Black Market Services that can only be used by the Mafia, can the the villagers bid on those items but maybe not be able to use them? Basically, to prevent the mafia from using it? |
02-12-2011, 05:15 PM | #628 | |
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02-12-2011, 07:46 PM | #629 |
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Who's gonna die.. who's gonna die..
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02-12-2011, 07:53 PM | #630 |
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It is interesting to see who the killer(s) pick(s)
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You need to bid at least $1. And yes, as someone said, the tiebreaker is unknown. |
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02-12-2011, 08:00 PM | #632 |
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Bring it
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Sending out PMs for night actions.
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02-12-2011, 08:10 PM | #634 |
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So....how 'bout them Dodgers?
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The day dawns on a dingy city. You love it for its night life, but in the morning all you can think of is those mafia getting a stranglehold on the city you love. That fact is made all the more clearer when you flip on the news. It seems they found Lathum in his hotel room, a bullet in his forehead. Naked as a jaybird too. Well, at least he went out on a high note.
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02-12-2011, 08:16 PM | #636 |
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[quote=Autumn;2424173]Naked as a jaybird too. quote]
Sounds like Lathum
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You can bid on the following services on Day 3:
Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, for a price Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town 24 Hour Check Cashing - When you need to move money in a hurry Janet Williams, City Hall Clerk - Janet processes very tax, fee and license in Sin City Graceland Wedding Chapel - Vegas is the perfect place to fall in love, quickly |
02-12-2011, 08:22 PM | #639 |
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Okay, I'm out celebrating a friends bday but wanted to get this out there. I of course bought tank with my winnings but also bought Mario, and scanned DV. He is clean, a regular resident of Vegas.
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I'm a bit foggy, heading to bed soon. Let me know if I forgot to do something.
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02-12-2011, 08:29 PM | #641 |
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So according to two seers DV and CR are villagers.. we're bound to hit mafia at some point. I'm going to look at a few things here and post again in a few minutes.
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02-12-2011, 08:34 PM | #642 |
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who was the 1st seer again?
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and where did jackal get enough $ to buy 2 services?
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02-12-2011, 08:37 PM | #644 |
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JAG?
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Perfect Jackal, that's what I expected you would do and what we would find. I have a lot to say, either later tonight or tomorrow.
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No I know he won the bet, I'm just saying did it give him enough money to outbid everone on two services? It's possible of course, I'm just trying to keep an open mind.
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Right, unless someone flat out says how much $ you get for winning the bets, we won't really know. The total $$ amount on the two services tallies up to $4000. So now we know the winner gets at least $3000 assuming the $3000+$1000.
Seems like a lot of money to be had by winning a bet and would be extremely detrimental if the mafia ever won bets. I'm wondering if we need to hit one of the apparent "Seers" to see what's what if we can't figure anything out during the day today. If a wolf said Chief Rum is safe and CR is a wolf then we'd nail two wolves by hitting JAG but at the same time we can't really afford to kill off another villager if JAG is innocent. The villagers NEED a hit today.. big time. I am curious what JAG does have to bring up later/tomorrow. Eager to hear it sooner than later though. |
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when is the next deadline?
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02-12-2011, 09:42 PM | #650 |
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I won a lot of money for my D1 bet because I was the only person to bet on J. I spent most of it on those two bids. If I understand correctly it is split if multiple people get it right, but be aware that it is a ton of cash compared to what we started with. I wanted to use it to live and scan someone to make proper use of my winnings towards the village cause, and I did so. After my back and forth with DV and spending so much on tank I think it should be pretty clear that I'm a villager, but I realize there's lots of info in this game.
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