WW Dukes Versus Hunters (GAME OVER!!--See Post #1387)

[cheekimonk]

I don't know if it helps or hurts, but before I step into a meeting I'm vanilla village duke - in case I end up near the noose.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I do get the feeling that there is a wolf here somewhere but I am starting to feel less confidence in cheeki. He seems to be attaching himself to any bandwagon that gets rolling. I seem to remember him doing that as villager in another game though. I'm wishing Jackal/Britrock would show up starting to fear a flustered cluck near deadline.

You called?

[britrock88]

I'm reeeeally dubious of Shoveler advancing the idea that a Duke should knowingly Duke another another Duke to take both out. What would a wolf love more than a double lynch?

[britrock88]

Going to update the tally for the new page...

[britrock88]

Day Two Vote Tally (as of Post #604)

Autumn (4)-- Shoveler (572), Narcizo (580), cheekimonk (584), Grover (598)
MartinD (3)-- timmae (495), EagleFan (500), Raven (595)
cheekimonk (2)-- Autumn (465), MartinD (579)

Yet to Vote: The Jackal, Vaimes, britrock88, MrBug708

Unable to Vote: fontisian

[Grover]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm reeeeally dubious of Shoveler advancing the idea that a Duke should knowingly Duke another another Duke to take both out. What would a wolf love more than a double lynch?

A triple lynch?

[britrock88]

So the advantages to lynching Martin...
- if he doesn't duke, we find out his alignment
- if he dukes to Vaimes, we find out Vaimes's alignment
- if he dukes to Font, we find out Font's alignment and possibly Martin's as well (for duking to a duke)
- if he dukes elsewhere, we get 1 or 2 reveals

All but the last guarantee that we learn something about toDay's hunter attack.

OTOH, Autumn and cheekimonk are candidates based on reads. That's fine and well.

For toDay's lynch, it's a question of which philosophical approach to take--to lynch based on tone, or to force a little knowledge into our hand about an in-game event that we've spend the better part of the Day thinking about.

[britrock88]

I'm leaning this way...

vote MartinD

That said, I've been misunderstanding things all day, so someone feel free to disabuse me of this vote if necessary.

[Autumn]

You guys have me in a bind, I can't really move to Martin to self-save, because Martin will just move to me and it will be a wash.

I think it's a bit much to push me simply because I want us to talk about other things than the Vaimes hunting incident. I feel like everyone has experienced an instance like this where the village goes in circle over one thing that they don't have enough information yet to resolve.

[Autumn]

I think we eventually find information with further lynches and deaths that sheds light on MartinD, etc. This is for instance why I always urge going with completely new candidates day two to maximize our eventual info. I think Cheeki is a good candidate for having pinged JAG. I think I find a lot of wolves react panicked when someone like JAG points at them.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think it's a bit much to push me simply because I want us to talk about other things than the Vaimes hunting incident. I feel like everyone has experienced an instance like this where the village goes in circle over one thing that they don't have enough information yet to resolve.

Fair.

unvote Autumn
vote MartinD

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm trying to decide what has been pinging me about Autumn. This is what I've come up with.



The first conclusion I draw when Jag is night-killed is that there is a vet in the wolves. Not that its some sort of plan to cover for cheeki. Feels like a reach to me.



I don't feel like Autumn thinks I post this as a wolf. Maybe he's thinking out loud as well. But his thinking out loud seems to have a purpose ( casting suspicion my way) while mine was expressing frustration at the fact that I didn't like any of the candidates but didn't feel able to move the vote.



I've seen wolf Autumn post villager-helpful comments. This could mean that all three are village and wolf-Autumn is expecting a Martin lynch and is laying the groundwork for a "told you so! Let's all vote cheeki now" day three. Except more-subtle like. Dunno. Maybe it means font and Martin are wolves and he wants to buy time for them.

Not much to hang one's hat on. I know that I can be guilty of misreading village Autumn as suspicious. But I agree that we need candidates so I'm going this way for now

vote Autumn

Thanks for posting your reasoning Narc. I can't really answer Shoveler thinking I'm "extra shady" but I can address these.

I feel at this stage the new guys are fairly aware of a villager like JAG, and I don't think that makes me think it has to be a vet team--more so the case the opposite that a kill of a newer player would make me think it's a newbie team. I can definitely say I would never kill JAG day one these days because I've said so often in game that hes' my number one target, that doing so would be paining a target on my back. Take it with a grain of salt, I'm sure, but I would always wait a few days to kill him these days.

I still stand that your post pinged me--it's a typical wolf move to want to give a lot of analysis without actually pointing a finger at anyone. I definitely am being more open about posting my suspicion this game than I sometimes would be, but I'm trying to do it in a direct fashion, not the sort of hinting that I think wolves typically do.

I'm not trying to lay any groundwork, just worried that all we're talking about is those three, and if none of them are wolves we're just letting the wolves take a day off.

[Chief Rum]

Back. Reviewing posts and putting up a vote count.

[Autumn]

I will move to Martin for self-preservation, but don't want to move yet and give other voters only one option, especially when it's my second option.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I will move to Martin for self-preservation, but don't want to move yet and give other voters only one option, especially when it's my second option.

I'm intrigued that you've held off on switching for this long, though for the time being I can accept your explanations for it at face value.

[britrock88]

We have ~half of us around at the deadline from the looks of things, so I don't know how much shaking up there could really be.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm intrigued that you've held off on switching for this long, though for the time being I can accept your explanations for it at face value.

I just got back whenever my more recent post was, and catching up. There was no point until cheeki switched, because Martin could just switch and put me back in the lead. And really I'd rather vote Cheeki, I'm not very sold on the Martin vote.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by britrock88

We have ~half of us around at the deadline from the looks of things, so I don't know how much shaking up there could really be.

Looked like there were a bunch of outstanding votes. But maybe people aren't around today.

[cheekimonk]

I wanted to give Autumn room to maneuver so she's not boxed in. I was in that position last game on D1...not a fan.

[EagleFan]

Trying to quickly catch up. What is the speed dating version of the case against Autumn?

[Autumn]

unvote cheekimonk
vote martinD

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Trying to quickly catch up. What is the speed dating version of the case against Autumn?

Funny, smart, a born romantic.

[timmae]

I am ok with my vote on martin at this point. Worst case is we will know more about the action early today. Font is back after dawn to provide additional insight.

[Chief Rum]

Day Two Vote Tally (as of Post #624)

MartinD (6)-- timmae (495), EagleFan (500), Raven (595), britrock88 (608), cheekimonk (611), Autumn (621)
Autumn (3)-- Shoveler (572), Narcizo (580), Grover (598)
cheekimonk (1)-- MartinD (579)

Yet to Vote: The Jackal, Vaimes, britrock88, MrBug708

Unable to Vote: fontisian

[EagleFan]

Is brit's vote tally correct, up to there?

[britrock88]

Are we more interested in Martin or in Martin's duking (to Vaimes, I presume) as the result of this lynch?

[britrock88]

Dola--because if it's the duking, I'm worried that he's not around.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Is brit's vote tally correct, up to there?

Someone can check, but I believe the tally I just put up is correct (and it agreed with brit's tally at the time I passed his tally post).

[MrBug708]

vote - Autumn

Enough suspicion on him at this point to make me wary of him

[timmae]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Trying to quickly catch up. What is the speed dating version of the case against Autumn?

He pushed the team to look other than font/vaimes/martin. Pushed about the jag/cheeki vote yesterday. I read him as pingy, shoveler thought there may be more to it.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm leaning this way...

vote MartinD

That said, I've been misunderstanding things all day, so someone feel free to disabuse me of this vote if necessary.

Chief, you missed this one.

[MartinD]

UNVOTE CHEEKIMONK
VOTE AUTUMN

[Autumn]

Just trying to save my own skin here, but the argument on Martin is htat he used a medic power on someone without any ability to know their allegiance or faction. The argument on me is that I wanted to talk about other vote candidates today, and think JAG may have been killed for looking hard at Cheek. One seems stronger than the other.

[EagleFan]

I don't completely disagree with Autumn. If we made this a two horse race between someone that we had a question about yesterday and this mess today we could maybe learn a little more from today's lynch. But overall, making it a two (or three) horse race isn't a bad thing; more information is always good.

[Autumn]

I worry about shenanigans, we don't know what happens with a tie.

[Autumn]

But a cultist would presumably love the chaos.

[Narcizo]

unvote Autumn
Vote Martin

Brit's post makes sense. I don't see why villager-Martin protects someone.

[Raven]

If we lose Martin, and he is village, we lose our Medic as well, though he'd be a good target for a wolf NK.

[Chief Rum]

Day Two Vote Tally (as of Post #634)

MartinD (6)-- timmae (495), EagleFan (500), Raven (595), britrock88 (608), cheekimonk (611), Autumn (621)
Autumn (5)-- Shoveler (572), Narcizo (580), Grover (598), MrBug708 (629), MartinD (632)

Yet to Vote: The Jackal, Vaimes

Unable to Vote: fontisian

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Raven

If we lose Martin, and he is village, we lose our Medic as well, though he'd be a good target for a wolf NK.

He's already used his ability, it was a one-shot. Which is why it's wild to just use it willy nilly.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Raven

If we lose Martin, and he is village, we lose our Medic as well, though he'd be a good target for a wolf NK.

One time use, right?

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Raven

If we lose Martin, and he is village, we lose our Medic as well, though he'd be a good target for a wolf NK.

Not relevant - the Medic power was a one-shot deal, and that one shot has been used.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Raven

If we lose Martin, and he is village, we lose our Medic as well, though he'd be a good target for a wolf NK.

Medic's a one-time use, though...

[Shoveler]

Unvote Autumn
Vote Martin

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by MartinD

Not relevant - the Medic power was a one-shot deal, and that one shot has been used.

Are you duking???

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Are we more interested in Martin or in Martin's duking (to Vaimes, I presume) as the result of this lynch?

Definitely Martin. If he dukes to Vaimes thats pretty damned shady in my opinion.

[Chief Rum]

Day Two Vote Tally (as of Post #647)

MartinD (8)-- timmae (495), EagleFan (500), Raven (595), britrock88 (608), cheekimonk (611), Autumn (621), Narcizo (637), Shoveler (644)
Autumn (3)-- Grover (598), MrBug708 (629), MartinD (632)

Yet to Vote: The Jackal, Vaimes

Unable to Vote: fontisian

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Definitely Martin. If he dukes to Vaimes thats pretty damned shady in my opinion.

I think we're looking at the same situation and drawing opposite conclusions...

[Vaimes]

Uh.

Today was one of those 'I put off a ton of work and it finally caught up to me' days. So. If I'm duked, oh well. But if not, I will actually be able to focus on this game because the rest of the week is Not Busy.

Also fonti will be able to talk again and I guess I'm sorry if she's town.

[Chief Rum]

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