MLB 2021 Season Thread - Page 13

henry296 · 09-29-2021, 08:13 AM

That's crazy about the cardinals. Even a normal hot streak like 12-5 and we'd still have a playoff race for that last spot.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-29-2021, 08:12 PM

Devin Williams likely to miss Milwaukee Brewers' postseason run after reliever 'punched a wall'

lungs · 09-29-2021, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Devin Williams likely to miss Milwaukee Brewers' postseason run after reliever 'punched a wall'

Lathum · 09-29-2021, 09:25 PM

Does anyone remember that insane last day of the season about 9-10 years ago where almost every playoff spot was undecided and a bunch of games were close. I remember I lived in Seattle and I watched from my reclined in my den because my wife was away. Crazy night.

Atocep · 09-29-2021, 09:51 PM

I've watched a ton of Mets baseball this year. They absolutely have to change their hitting approach at an organizational level. There has to be top to bottom change.

Mets are 7th worst in chase%, 8th in 1st pitch swing%, 2nd in overall pitch swing%, and 9th worst in wiff%. As a result they're bottom 3rd in barrel%, hard hit%, and average exit velocity.

I really can't watch Pete Alonso's at bats anymore. Middle of the lineup guy that continually puts himself in bad counts by chasing or makes terrible contact swinging early in the count at a stuff he needs to lay off. It's a problem top to bottom in the lineup, but it seems more obvious with Pete.

spleen1015 · 09-29-2021, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Does anyone remember that insane last day of the season about 9-10 years ago where almost every playoff spot was undecided and a bunch of games were close. I remember I lived in Seattle and I watched from my reclined in my den because my wife was away. Crazy night.

The 2011 Boston Red Sox EPIC September Collapse (Watch it unfold) - YouTube

sterlingice · 09-29-2021, 10:11 PM

Posnanski, of course, wrote a beautiful article about the last night of 2011

Baseball Night in America - Joe Posnanski

SI

Lathum · 09-29-2021, 10:15 PM

You guys are the best

tarcone · 09-30-2021, 07:15 AM

I remember that 2011 World Series. What an epic series it was.

spleen1015 · 09-30-2021, 08:05 AM

Hoping the Blue Jays and Orioles win tonight.

That would make the Yankees up one over the Red Sox, Blue Jays and Mariners for the AL WC.

I'll take the Red Sox beating the Orioles to make them tied with the Yankees and the Blue Jays and Mariners 1 game back, too.

Just need the Yankees to not make the playoffs.

Lathum · 09-30-2021, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Hoping the Blue Jays and Orioles win tonight.

That would make the Yankees up one over the Red Sox, Blue Jays and Mariners for the AL WC.

I'll take the Red Sox beating the Orioles to make them tied with the Yankees and the Blue Jays and Mariners 1 game back, too.

Just need the Yankees to not make the playoffs.

Up 2 it will be asking a lot for the Yanks to miss out.

I am holding a 40-1 ticket on the Jays to win the world series so obviously I am pulling for them.

spleen1015 · 09-30-2021, 09:03 AM

Hopefully the Rays take care of them over the weekend.

miami_fan · 09-30-2021, 08:46 PM

FYI, the Rays have clinched the top seed so they may be in rest mode this weekend.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-30-2021, 09:19 PM

Braves before Acuna injury: 44-44
Braves after Acuna injury: 42-28

Baseball sure is a funny game.

tarcone · 09-30-2021, 09:24 PM

Cards streak ended last night with their hangover lineup. Too bad. They did win today though.

GrantDawg · 09-30-2021, 10:23 PM

As an Atlanta sports fan, I get to gloat very little. But boy is it sweet to win the division, by sweeping the Phillies, as Brice Harper just completely sucked throughout the series. Just so sweet.

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GrantDawg · 09-30-2021, 10:29 PM

And....Snicker has taken so much crap. I am not going to say I even come close to believing he is some kind of genius manager. But...4 straight division championships in seasons which they were never picked to win. He just gets the kids to play. There is a little Bobby Cox in him. Maybe not the guy you want coaching the post season, but he can definitely get the most out of his roster during the regular season.

And yes, I have had a couple of beers. Why do you ask?

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spleen1015 · 10-03-2021, 07:50 AM

In the mood for some chaos today.

Yankees & Red Sox lose, Blue Jays & Mariners win, we have a 4 way tie for the 2 AL WCs.

At the very least give me the Yankees losing and the Blue Jays and Mariners winning. Thanks baseball gods!

Thomkal · 10-03-2021, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

In the mood for some chaos today.

Yankees & Red Sox lose, Blue Jays & Mariners win, we have a 4 way tie for the 2 AL WCs.

At the very least give me the Yankees losing and the Blue Jays and Mariners winning. Thanks baseball gods!

yes for Chaos!

sterlingice · 10-03-2021, 10:32 AM

I'm expecting the Yankees and Red Sox to roll today and we'll all be sadly disappointed

SI

spleen1015 · 10-03-2021, 12:45 PM

I'll take the Red Sox winning and the Yankees losing with the other 2 winning.

I just want the Yankees OUT!

sterlingice · 10-04-2021, 07:56 PM

Well, the good news is that 2 of the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, and Dodgers will be going home by Wednesday. The bad news is that 2 will go on.

SI

spleen1015 · 10-04-2021, 07:57 PM

It's all good. OOTP says the Yankees lose the WC game.

miami_fan · 10-05-2021, 08:48 PM

It's all about the perspective.

DID YOU KNOW in the #Mariners 44 years of existence they have experienced more ruptured testicles (five) than playoff appearances (four)?
— Danny O'Neil (@dannyoneil) October 1, 2021

Lathum · 10-05-2021, 10:09 PM

Can't send Judge there with one out

spleen1015 · 10-05-2021, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Can't send Judge there with one out

Nope. Glad Nevin did though.

PilotMan · 10-07-2021, 01:44 PM

Go Dodgers!
That was a tense game.
I really wish we has Muncy for the Jints, but it'll be fun either way. Both teams are capable of road sweeps, so it's anyone's game.

miami_fan · 10-07-2021, 09:17 PM

Given that HR, let’s remind everyone of the ground rules at the Trop.

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CATWALKS, LIGHTS AND SUSPENDED OBJECTS:

Batted ball strikes catwalk, light or suspended object over fair territory

Batted ball that strikes either of the lower two catwalks (known as the 'C-Ring' and the 'D-Ring'), including any lights or suspended objects attached to either of those catwalks as well as any angled support rods that connect the 'C-Ring' to the masts that support the 'D-Ring' in fair territory: Home Run.

Batted ball that strikes either of the upper catwalks (known as the 'A-Ring' and the 'B-Ring'), including the masts that support each of those catwalks as well as any angled support rods that connect the 'B-Ring' to the masts that support the 'C-Ring' in fair territory: In Play. If caught by fielder, batter is out and runners advance at own risk.

Batted ball that is not judged a home run and remains on a catwalk, light or suspended object: Two Bases.

Batted ball strikes catwalk, light or suspended object over foul territory: Dead Ball.

Jas_lov · 10-10-2021, 09:22 PM

Never seen a player knock the ball into the stands like that taking a run off the board. Tough break for the Rays.

SirFozzie · 10-10-2021, 09:56 PM

By the rules, it's a right call..

Then again, by the NFL Rulebook of the day, the Tuck Rule was the right call.

But hey, at least the Sox won by 2.

(and that Right field area is full of ghosts that help the red sox. Remember this from 2004 ALCS game 5?)

2004 ALCS Gm 5: Clark's hit goes out of play - YouTube

edit: And while it's super-rare, apparently it's happened before. This happened in 2019, with Tampa the beneficiary (fielder trying to make a play deflects the ball into the stands, batter and runners get two bases, in both cases denying a run that probably/obviously would have scored)

https://www.mlb.com/video/galvis-dou...-run-on-review

Ksyrup · 10-11-2021, 10:24 AM

I hope there's at least some discretion to award more bases if it is determined to have been purposefully knocked out of play. Not that it would have mattered last night, but just in general.

henry296 · 10-11-2021, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I hope there's at least some discretion to award more bases if it is determined to have been purposefully knocked out of play. Not that it would have mattered last night, but just in general.

If after a player gains control, then it is 2 bases from where the runs are not where they started.

Atocep · 10-11-2021, 01:05 PM

The rule is cut and dry and a good one. The overreactions last night and today are crazy. Some of the rules solutions people are tossing out would cause far more problems than they fix considering it's a rule that doesn't need touched.

tarcone · 10-11-2021, 02:44 PM

Black and white is always better than grey

jbergey22 · 10-11-2021, 03:13 PM

Craig Counsell just blew this game for the Brewers. Showcasing some poor managerial skills there.

Peralta got pulled for a pinch hitter with 55 pitches in the top of the 5th inning and not have given up a run. Of course, bottom of the 5th the Braves get 3 off the relief pitcher.

Ksyrup · 10-11-2021, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

If after a player gains control, then it is 2 bases from where the runs are not where they started.

Not sure I follow what you mean by "gains control" - I'm thinking of this exact situation, but maybe a ball into the corner where the OF knows the runner is going to score so he just "misplays" the ball into the stands. Is there a judgement call on whether it was purposely put out of play?

henry296 · 10-11-2021, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Not sure I follow what you mean by "gains control" - I'm thinking of this exact situation, but maybe a ball into the corner where the OF knows the runner is going to score so he just "misplays" the ball into the stands. Is there a judgement call on whether it was purposely put out of play?

The clarifications I've seen refer to the outfielder actually picking it up and then it goes out of play.

I think in your scenario if Renfroe had intentionally batter the ball over the fence instead of just bouncing off him, I'm not sure how that would be interpreted.

miami_fan · 10-11-2021, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Craig Counsell just blew this game for the Brewers. Showcasing some poor managerial skills there.

Peralta got pulled for a pinch hitter with 55 pitches in the top of the 5th inning and not have given up a run. Of course, bottom of the 5th the Braves get 3 off the relief pitcher.

I don't think it was a bad decision. However, based on his team's current inability to get any run production, he might have been better off just letting Peralta take three strikes and hope he could keep the Braves scoreless for the next 10 innings.

spleen1015 · 10-11-2021, 04:54 PM

2nd and 3rd with 1 out. I'm not sure if I pinch hit for the SP or not. 0-0 game. Tough decision.

miami_fan · 10-11-2021, 06:03 PM

I am a neanderthal when it comes to baseball strategy in 2021. I am trying to learn but I am stuck somewhere between 1985 and 1990. I feel like a manager during that time would have left his starter in. However, if you are making the same decisions that a manager would have made between 1985 and 1990, then you are wrong.

Atocep · 10-11-2021, 06:25 PM

Generally speaking, I'd rather take the starter out too early than too late. However, I'm not sure what the tactical advantage was here. Counsell went from a righty to another right, except the reliever simply wasn't as good as Peralta is. Peralta was also only at 57 pitches so he's not even in the range of when the typical starter starts to tire. I'm probably at least giving him a batter in the 5th to see how it goes, especially when he's facing 7, 8, 9 in the lineup.

So i guess I'm siding with the manager in most cases, but this one is definitely one I at least question a bit.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-11-2021, 06:31 PM

Probably shouldn't be overlooked that Counsel used Vogelbach, who hit only .179 as a PH this year

lungs · 10-11-2021, 06:32 PM

For what it’s worth, short of going with Hader, Hauser is the guy to go with there. Peralta has not been going deep into outings anyway since coming off the IL so I think you realistically get one more inning out of him anyway. I don’t have a problem with Counsell’s decision there. Hard to win when you don’t score a run.

lungs · 10-11-2021, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Probably shouldn't be overlooked that Counsel used Vogelbach, who hit only .179 as a PH this year

He has had some moments lately. .263 Avg in high leverage situations. His role after they hid him on the IL for two months was exactly how they used him today. Whether he is good at it is another question.

jbergey22 · 10-11-2021, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

I am a neanderthal when it comes to baseball strategy in 2021. I am trying to learn but I am stuck somewhere between 1985 and 1990. I feel like a manager during that time would have left his starter in. However, if you are making the same decisions that a manager would have made between 1985 and 1990, then you are wrong.

Well in 1985 he would have been pitching until the 10th inning the way he was going. In 2021, I think they can get through at least 5 shutout innings before thinking about removing him.

I know it is the bullpen era but with using so many pitchers in a game you run the risk of someone having a bad game and being off. Today it was Hauser that was off. Sinker ballers up in the zone is a recipe for disaster.

miami_fan · 10-11-2021, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

In 2021, I think they can get through at least 5 shutout innings before thinking about removing him.

I spend most of my baseball watching time watching the Rays. The Rays starters averaged 4.6 innings per start during the regular season.

So maybe?

JonInMiddleGA · 10-11-2021, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I spend most of my baseball watching time watching the Rays. The Rays starters averaged 4.6 innings per start during the regular season.

So maybe?

Probably shoulda shot for that average tonight

miked · 10-11-2021, 09:52 PM

Was at the game today, pretty incredible and my first trip to Truist. Nobody commenting on the fact that Joc Pederson hit that HR with a stolen bat from Anthony Rizzo?

Lathum · 10-11-2021, 10:33 PM

Rays gotta make that play, Choi has to pick it there.

PilotMan · 10-12-2021, 11:03 AM

110mph exit velocity, expected batting average based on contract .850.

Result?

Didn't even make the warning track. Unreal.

09-29-2021, 08:13 AM	#601
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	That's crazy about the cardinals. Even a normal hot streak like 12-5 and we'd still have a playoff race for that last spot. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

09-29-2021, 08:12 PM	#602
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Devin Williams likely to miss Milwaukee Brewers' postseason run after reliever 'punched a wall' __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-29-2021, 10:11 PM	#607
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Posnanski, of course, wrote a beautiful article about the last night of 2011 Baseball Night in America - Joe Posnanski SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 09-29-2021 at 10:12 PM.

09-30-2021, 07:15 AM	#609
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09-30-2021, 08:05 AM	#610
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Hoping the Blue Jays and Orioles win tonight. That would make the Yankees up one over the Red Sox, Blue Jays and Mariners for the AL WC. I'll take the Red Sox beating the Orioles to make them tied with the Yankees and the Blue Jays and Mariners 1 game back, too. Just need the Yankees to not make the playoffs. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

09-29-2021, 09:25 PM	#604
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Does anyone remember that insane last day of the season about 9-10 years ago where almost every playoff spot was undecided and a bunch of games were close. I remember I lived in Seattle and I watched from my reclined in my den because my wife was away. Crazy night.

09-29-2021, 09:51 PM	#605
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	I've watched a ton of Mets baseball this year. They absolutely have to change their hitting approach at an organizational level. There has to be top to bottom change. Mets are 7th worst in chase%, 8th in 1st pitch swing%, 2nd in overall pitch swing%, and 9th worst in wiff%. As a result they're bottom 3rd in barrel%, hard hit%, and average exit velocity. I really can't watch Pete Alonso's at bats anymore. Middle of the lineup guy that continually puts himself in bad counts by chasing or makes terrible contact swinging early in the count at a stuff he needs to lay off. It's a problem top to bottom in the lineup, but it seems more obvious with Pete.

09-29-2021, 10:15 PM	#608
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	You guys are the best

09-30-2021, 09:03 AM	#612
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Hopefully the Rays take care of them over the weekend. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

09-30-2021, 08:46 PM	#613
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	FYI, the Rays have clinched the top seed so they may be in rest mode this weekend. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

09-30-2021, 09:19 PM	#614
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Braves before Acuna injury: 44-44 Braves after Acuna injury: 42-28 Baseball sure is a funny game. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-30-2021, 09:24 PM	#615
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Cards streak ended last night with their hangover lineup. Too bad. They did win today though. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

09-30-2021, 10:23 PM	#616
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	As an Atlanta sports fan, I get to gloat very little. But boy is it sweet to win the division, by sweeping the Phillies, as Brice Harper just completely sucked throughout the series. Just so sweet. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 09-30-2021 at 10:25 PM.

09-30-2021, 10:29 PM	#617
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	And....Snicker has taken so much crap. I am not going to say I even come close to believing he is some kind of genius manager. But...4 straight division championships in seasons which they were never picked to win. He just gets the kids to play. There is a little Bobby Cox in him. Maybe not the guy you want coaching the post season, but he can definitely get the most out of his roster during the regular season. And yes, I have had a couple of beers. Why do you ask? Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

10-03-2021, 07:50 AM	#618
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	In the mood for some chaos today. Yankees & Red Sox lose, Blue Jays & Mariners win, we have a 4 way tie for the 2 AL WCs. At the very least give me the Yankees losing and the Blue Jays and Mariners winning. Thanks baseball gods! __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-03-2021, 10:32 AM	#620
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I'm expecting the Yankees and Red Sox to roll today and we'll all be sadly disappointed SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-03-2021, 12:45 PM	#621
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I'll take the Red Sox winning and the Yankees losing with the other 2 winning. I just want the Yankees OUT! __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-04-2021, 07:56 PM	#622
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Well, the good news is that 2 of the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, and Dodgers will be going home by Wednesday. The bad news is that 2 will go on. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-04-2021, 07:57 PM	#623
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	It's all good. OOTP says the Yankees lose the WC game. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-05-2021, 08:48 PM	#624
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	It's all about the perspective. DID YOU KNOW in the #Mariners 44 years of existence they have experienced more ruptured testicles (five) than playoff appearances (four)? — Danny O'Neil (@dannyoneil) October 1, 2021 __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

10-05-2021, 10:09 PM	#625
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Can't send Judge there with one out

10-07-2021, 01:44 PM	#627
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Go Dodgers! That was a tense game. I really wish we has Muncy for the Jints, but it'll be fun either way. Both teams are capable of road sweeps, so it's anyone's game. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

10-10-2021, 09:22 PM	#629
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Never seen a player knock the ball into the stands like that taking a run off the board. Tough break for the Rays.

10-10-2021, 09:56 PM	#630
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	By the rules, it's a right call.. Then again, by the NFL Rulebook of the day, the Tuck Rule was the right call. But hey, at least the Sox won by 2. (and that Right field area is full of ghosts that help the red sox. Remember this from 2004 ALCS game 5?) 2004 ALCS Gm 5: Clark's hit goes out of play - YouTube edit: And while it's super-rare, apparently it's happened before. This happened in 2019, with Tampa the beneficiary (fielder trying to make a play deflects the ball into the stands, batter and runners get two bases, in both cases denying a run that probably/obviously would have scored) https://www.mlb.com/video/galvis-dou...-run-on-review __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com Last edited by SirFozzie : 10-10-2021 at 10:05 PM.

10-11-2021, 10:24 AM	#631
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I hope there's at least some discretion to award more bases if it is determined to have been purposefully knocked out of play. Not that it would have mattered last night, but just in general. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-11-2021, 01:05 PM	#633
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	The rule is cut and dry and a good one. The overreactions last night and today are crazy. Some of the rules solutions people are tossing out would cause far more problems than they fix considering it's a rule that doesn't need touched.

10-11-2021, 02:44 PM	#634
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Black and white is always better than grey __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

10-11-2021, 03:13 PM	#635
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Craig Counsell just blew this game for the Brewers. Showcasing some poor managerial skills there. Peralta got pulled for a pinch hitter with 55 pitches in the top of the 5th inning and not have given up a run. Of course, bottom of the 5th the Braves get 3 off the relief pitcher. Last edited by jbergey22 : 10-11-2021 at 03:15 PM.

10-11-2021, 04:54 PM	#639
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	2nd and 3rd with 1 out. I'm not sure if I pinch hit for the SP or not. 0-0 game. Tough decision. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

10-11-2021, 06:03 PM	#640
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	I am a neanderthal when it comes to baseball strategy in 2021. I am trying to learn but I am stuck somewhere between 1985 and 1990. I feel like a manager during that time would have left his starter in. However, if you are making the same decisions that a manager would have made between 1985 and 1990, then you are wrong. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

10-11-2021, 06:25 PM	#641
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Generally speaking, I'd rather take the starter out too early than too late. However, I'm not sure what the tactical advantage was here. Counsell went from a righty to another right, except the reliever simply wasn't as good as Peralta is. Peralta was also only at 57 pitches so he's not even in the range of when the typical starter starts to tire. I'm probably at least giving him a batter in the 5th to see how it goes, especially when he's facing 7, 8, 9 in the lineup. So i guess I'm siding with the manager in most cases, but this one is definitely one I at least question a bit.

10-11-2021, 06:31 PM	#642
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Probably shouldn't be overlooked that Counsel used Vogelbach, who hit only .179 as a PH this year __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

10-11-2021, 06:32 PM	#643
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	For what it’s worth, short of going with Hader, Hauser is the guy to go with there. Peralta has not been going deep into outings anyway since coming off the IL so I think you realistically get one more inning out of him anyway. I don’t have a problem with Counsell’s decision there. Hard to win when you don’t score a run.

10-11-2021, 09:52 PM	#648
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Was at the game today, pretty incredible and my first trip to Truist. Nobody commenting on the fact that Joc Pederson hit that HR with a stolen bat from Anthony Rizzo? __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

10-11-2021, 10:33 PM	#649
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Rays gotta make that play, Choi has to pick it there.