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Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Or a replicant who thinks he's a human. Surely you have to acknowledge this possibility.

There was a discussion on this yesterday.

I was the first to suggest it, so I certainly acknowledge it is a possibility.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Alan, the trouble is that if you think that Render is a wolf, don't you have to assume that bullet is likely a wolf as well? I mean those two are connected.

Heck, it might be a case of all of them being villagers. In which case we're chasing our tails. (Remember I equally would be fine voting for kwhit here too).

Just the way I see it, I highly doubt Ardent is a wolf. Even if Im annoyed at his posting a PM and will reserve my comments about that, I don't think its likely that he is bad.

I don't feel as confident about Bullet, but speaking on gut instinct, he just isnt playing like he usually does when he has a role (Good or bad). He just doesnt seem to be that into things.. so I don't really think he is bad.

I'm not really convinced Render is bad either, just don't feel as good about him as the other two. And if I had to, I probably could argue myself out of voting him as well.. but if I had to choose between him or Ardent or Bullet, I guess I would take my chances with him right now.

And despite my earlier vote on lathum, I don't really think he is a wolf either. I think in a game like this , more experienced players wouldn't likely come after me directly knowing that I have no problem defending myself when I am innocent, and it could likely get him in a spotlight he doesn't want. If I had to guess, our wolves are some of the more subtle people who have played today. (Kwhit probably does fall into this category)

path12 · 07-18-2007, 08:45 PM

If Ardent and Swaggs weren't checked out last night they should have been. And if anyone finds a wolf they should say so. Since they didn't, I'm thinking to go in another direction.

And again, if our seers haven't checked them out for some reason they really should.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So Alan you're not willing to switch to Render then after all?

I don't get it.. You keep arguing for people to not vote for Ardent, yet are trying to get me to do something that will get him lynched. Why is that Barkeep? I clearly said I would prefer to vote for him, but not at the expense of exposing Ardent to death here. You're striking me really oddly right now BK

path12 · 07-18-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

but if I had to choose between him or Ardent or Bullet, I guess I would take my chances with him right now.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd go Ardent. As much for the PM thing and the fact that he's made it pretty clear he's not that interested in this game than him being a wolf. Bullet often stays low early.

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:48 PM

I hope CR hurries up. I'm very curious which direction he's going to go in.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So basically aren't you suggesting we lynch you tomorrow if AE ends up biting it?

Do you think tanglewood sent out the exact same message to two people?

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I would implore you to closely read over some of the suggestions that were given yesterday, that may have slipped under the radar, by some of the more under the radar players.

Can you possibly summarize?

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't get it.. You keep arguing for people to not vote for Ardent, yet are trying to get me to do something that will get him lynched. Why is that Barkeep? I clearly said I would prefer to vote for him, but not at the expense of exposing Ardent to death here. You're striking me really oddly right now BK

Well I defended you earlier today and yesterday about your last minute vote switching. I had forgotten that you'd originally put in that AE disclaimer and thought you were suddenly backpedaling now that the chips were down.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

If Ardent and Swaggs weren't checked out last night they should have been. And if anyone finds a wolf they should say so. Since they didn't, I'm thinking to go in another direction.

And again, if our seers haven't checked them out for some reason they really should.

If a seer checked me out last night and found me to be a wolf, do you think they would have voted for me today (even if they were forced to give a lame reason for cover)?

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well I defended you earlier today and yesterday about your last minute vote switching. I had forgotten that you'd originally put in that AE disclaimer and thought you were suddenly backpedaling now that the chips were down.

But why do you want me to lynch Ardent after arguing for others not to?

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Do you think tanglewood sent out the exact same message to two people?

I don't know. But it's you who is claiming to have AE's message, in my mind, not the other way around.

path12 · 07-18-2007, 08:50 PM

Anyone got a total?

path12 · 07-18-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

If a seer checked me out last night and found me to be a wolf, do you think they would have voted for me today (even if they were forced to give a lame reason for cover)?

Yes, I do. I'm not convinced you were scanned though.

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

But why do you want me to lynch Ardent after arguing for others not to?

I don't. I want to lynch bullet. I thought I had caught you on something. I didn't.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Can you possibly summarize?

I would rather not. It may end up hurting us as much as it helps.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Anyone got a total?

Right now its 5 - Bullet, 4 - ardent, 2 - Kwhit/Render, 1-others

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't know. But it's you who is claiming to have AE's message, in my mind, not the other way around.

Well, you should decide whether or not you think we received the same message.

If you don't think so, then wouldn't it be smart to kill us both the next two days?

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

But why do you want me to lynch Ardent after arguing for others not to?

And I think it's awfully bold to think you know for sure the tie breaking mechanism after 1 vote.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Yes, I do. I'm not convinced you were scanned though.

I'd work on thinking along those lines a little further.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

And I think it's awfully bold to think you know for sure the tie breaking mechanism after 1 vote.

You have to admit that my hypothesis is a good possibility though. And I just was shocked after your campaigning that you would be fine in taking that chance.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:54 PM

I am fairly shocked that so many folks are voting against bulletsponge rather than AE or me.

path12 · 07-18-2007, 08:54 PM

Huh.

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

OK, Swaggs.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'd work on thinking along those lines a little further.

So are you saying that you received a message that you were scanned?

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Well, you should decide whether or not you think we received the same message.

If you don't think so, then wouldn't it be smart to kill us both the next two days?

Really? I'm not sure that it matters at all if you two received the same message or not. If you're a wolf and are pretending to have his message we should lynch you. If you both received the same message one of you likely is an unknowing wolf and we should lynch both of you. Seems to me either way we should lynch you and only 50% that we should lynch AE.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:55 PM

Wow, lots going on here.

Swaggs, you want ardent lynched, for whatever reason, is that right?

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

So are you saying that you received a message that you were scanned?

No... I didn't receive a message.

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

You have to admit that my hypothesis is a good possibility though. And I just was shocked after your campaigning that you would be fine in taking that chance.

You're really overstating any case I've made for anyone to be lynched except Swaggs, Render, and bullet.

path12 · 07-18-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Seems to me either way we should lynch you and only 50% that we should lynch AE.

Fact is, AE's up for the lynch, Swaggs isn't.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Really? I'm not sure that it matters at all if you two received the same message or not. If you're a wolf and are pretending to have his message we should lynch you. If you both received the same message one of you likely is an unknowing wolf and we should lynch both of you. Seems to me either way we should lynch you and only 50% that we should lynch AE.

Unless you think it was an error that we received the exact same PM, I think it would be smart to risk killing me or AE to get one android in the next two days.

I don't know how to be anymore clear than that.

It is up to you to decide whether or not you think it was a mistake (or, I guess if you think I'd be advocating this for whatever other reason I may have).

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-18-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I am fairly shocked that so many folks are voting against bulletsponge rather than AE or me.

Why should we vote for either of you? If you were scanned and turned up human, then AE gets killed tonight and we find out he's a replicant. I say let the Blade Runners do their job in this instance.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wow, lots going on here.

Swaggs, you want ardent lynched, for whatever reason, is that right?

I think it would be smart for today.

Look at me tomorrow, if you must.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You're really overstating any case I've made for anyone to be lynched except Swaggs, Render, and bullet.

I only can see things from my perspective, it just seemed inconsistant of you. Who else have I commented about your campaigning other than today for Ardent? And I don't think I commented on that at all until you tried to talk me into a move that would get him lynched.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:58 PM

Note that with two seers it would be easy enough for Swaggs to have claimed he was scanned - if neither seer had scanned him, neither one would want to say so, thinking the other might have.

Just sayin'.

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Fact is, AE's up for the lynch, Swaggs isn't.

Rum is playing it awful close.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:59 PM

2 min till deadline. I have a feeling that some people here have been trying to orchestrate a deadline AE lynch.

Chief Rum · 07-18-2007, 08:59 PM

There's not enough evidence against these people, so I am sticking with my vote yesterday.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I only can see things from my perspective, it just seemed inconsistant of you. Who else have I commented about your campaigning other than today for Ardent? And I don't think I commented on that at all until you tried to talk me into a move that would get him lynched.

What seemed inconsistent of me? I feel like we're talking past each other.

path12 · 07-18-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Rum is playing it awful close.

I'd hate to be hurrying through this last 20 minutes or so to place a vote.

LoneStarGirl · 07-18-2007, 09:00 PM

its 8... i hate ties.... looks like its Bullet over AE though

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Note that with two seers it would be easy enough for Swaggs to have claimed he was scanned - if neither seer had scanned him, neither one would want to say so, thinking the other might have.

Just sayin'.

I'm not claiming that I was scanned. I have no idea if I was.

If I were worried about being IDed as an android, I probably would have stayed a little more under the radar today and yesterday, but I am not worried about that particular matter.

tanglewood · 07-18-2007, 09:01 PM

Voting closed.

path12 · 07-18-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

its 8... i hate ties.... looks like its Bullet over AE though

You mean it's 6.

Chief Rum · 07-18-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Like I said several times. I don't mind people questioning my moves. But what you didn't wasn't question my moves. You name dropped and then continued on. Instead of building a case, and giving your belief of what should have been done in that case, you just say so and so is suspicious and move on. Even though Lathum was/is completely wrong, he at least tried to argue his case.

Where did I say it was suspicious? I said it was a move to look at to try to figure out what's going on. Not negative, not positive. Just unknown. Stop reading what you want to believe I am saying and instead actually read what I am saying.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

What seemed inconsistent of me? I feel like we're talking past each other.

I already stated what I felt odd.. I think you are one of the smarter players in WW, so I would assume you would know just as I would the results of my action of moving my vote off of Bullet to someone else. You have seemed stronger today in your support of AE than you have in your condemnation of Bullet, so that suprised me. Your response was that you thought you caught me in something that you ended up just misreading.

I'm not sure where else this conversation has to go. I still found that odd for the reason I stated.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

2 min till deadline. I have a feeling that some people here have been trying to orchestrate a deadline AE lynch.

Yeah - its possible that one of these folks did scan AE, and he is in fact a wolf. What I don't understand then is why is it important to lynch him, since the blade runners reportedly can kill.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

2 min till deadline. I have a feeling that some people here have been trying to orchestrate a deadline AE lynch.

I feel quite the opposite.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Where did I say it was suspicious? I said it was a move to look at to try to figure out what's going on. Not negative, not positive. Just unknown. Stop reading what you want to believe I am saying and instead actually read what I am saying.

I reread what you posted, and yeah perhaps I was a bit too strong on your case. You have to forgive me, in these games I live in a flak jacket, so sometimes I react a bit too strongly

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yeah - its possible that one of these folks did scan AE, and he is in fact a wolf. What I don't understand then is why is it important to lynch him, since the blade runners reportedly can kill.

Deckard can kill.

I'm not so sure about Holden.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 09:05 PM

I still feel it likely that both of them were humans, but the beauty of this game is... we won't know for several days now! Yay!

07-18-2007, 08:45 PM	#603
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	If Ardent and Swaggs weren't checked out last night they should have been. And if anyone finds a wolf they should say so. Since they didn't, I'm thinking to go in another direction. And again, if our seers haven't checked them out for some reason they really should. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-18-2007, 08:50 PM	#613
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Anyone got a total? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-18-2007, 08:54 PM	#622
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I am fairly shocked that so many folks are voting against bulletsponge rather than AE or me. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-18-2007, 08:54 PM	#623
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Huh. UNVOTE RENDER VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST OK, Swaggs. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-18-2007, 08:55 PM	#626
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Wow, lots going on here. Swaggs, you want ardent lynched, for whatever reason, is that right? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-18-2007, 08:48 PM	#606
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I hope CR hurries up. I'm very curious which direction he's going to go in.

07-18-2007, 08:58 PM	#634
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Note that with two seers it would be easy enough for Swaggs to have claimed he was scanned - if neither seer had scanned him, neither one would want to say so, thinking the other might have. Just sayin'. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-18-2007, 08:59 PM	#636
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	2 min till deadline. I have a feeling that some people here have been trying to orchestrate a deadline AE lynch.

07-18-2007, 08:59 PM	#637
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	There's not enough evidence against these people, so I am sticking with my vote yesterday. VOTE BULLETSPONGE

07-18-2007, 09:00 PM	#640
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	its 8... i hate ties.... looks like its Bullet over AE though

07-18-2007, 09:01 PM	#642
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Voting closed.

07-18-2007, 09:05 PM	#650
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I still feel it likely that both of them were humans, but the beauty of this game is... we won't know for several days now! Yay!

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