Werewolf XCVII - Labyrinth II (GAME OVER - COMMONERS WIN!)

[RendeR]

I'm out till late


VOTE AUTUMN

[The Jackal]

Autumn 10 (JAG 559, Danny 566, BK 576, DT 579, Thomkal 582, dubb 584, Martin 587, nfg 596, hoops 597, RendeR 601)
Jag 3 (Autumn 561, Pass 565, Tyrith 583)

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Interesting that normal wisdom is that the first reveal is true, but everybody (nearly) is jumping on me. I guess soon you'll remember why it's the normal wisdom.

Why do you guys think the wolves would have tried to kill Render instead of Martin if you think I'm a wolf?

that is interesting, yes. i've been fucked by people not going with conventional wisdom several times lately too. it's very frustrating.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

that is interesting, yes. i've been fucked by people not going with conventional wisdom several times lately too. it's very frustrating.

Hasn't the conventional wisdom been right pretty much all the time lately, too?

[nfg22]

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[Chief Rum]

I know this will come off as suspicious, but so be it. I believe Autumn is an Ancient, and that his fate is sealed here. So I'm staying away fromt he runaway and going with my gut.

VOTE RENDER

[Chief Rum]

I will be working the second job, so I won't be back until after deadline. See you all later.

[Schmidty]

Guys, I have no idea if I'm still in the game, so I'm not commenting on things because I don't want to break the rules if I'm out.

I PMed BK an hour or so ago, so hopefully I'll hear before the deadline.

[Thomkal]

Okay don't really want to reveal, but at this point the wolves have a pretty good shot of getting the seer anyway.

Yes, i am Mentok, the Mind Taker, your seer.

I reveal in hopes the Paladin can protect me for one night and give me a last view from a rapidly shriking pool. My original intention for a night 1 viewing was either Lathum or Barkeep-Lathum for his trying to draw suspicion on "vanilla villagers" and Barkeep for agreeing with him. My main reason for voting for Barkeep yesterday too.

But as the day progressed to lynch and it became the Martin vs Dubb battle, I wanted to make sure that there wasn't a wolf trying to be protected. As I mentioned earlier I didn't completely buy the claims of others that Martin was Nostradamus. And I've been burned before in these games by assuming. So I scanned Martin, and surprise! he is good.

I was hoping for less reveals today so I would have more room to hide, but that was becoming more and more impossible. So dear Paladin if you so choose, please protect me tonight. I am open to suggestions on who to scan tonight if you have any thoughts on it.

[DaddyTorgo]

garf...yikes.

probably the smart play though thomkal, you're right.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Guys, I have no idea if I'm still in the game, so I'm not commenting on things because I don't want to break the rules if I'm out.

I PMed BK an hour or so ago, so hopefully I'll hear before the deadline.

do you have reason to believe that you wouldn't be?

[Thomkal]

So here's where we stand with reveals and role claims:

I. Lathum - blown up by the inferno device night 1 - Ancient of Earth
II. dubb93 - lynched day 1/returned day 2 - Phoenix
III. RendeR-claimed to be protected by the Paladin
IV. ntndeacon-claimed to be Inferno Hunter
V. Autumn-claiming to be Nightcrawler
VIII. JAG-claiming to be Nightcrawler
IX. hoopsguy-claims to be a Telepath
X. lerriuqs-claimed to be viewed as good from a scan from Martin
XI. Danny-claims to be a telepath
XII. Barkeep49-claims to be Dr. Jekyll/Mr Hyde
XV. MartinD-claims to be Nostradamus-views as good by Thomkal
XVI. Thomkal-claims to be Mentok, the Mind Taker-the seer
XVII. Passacaglia-claims to be the Minotaur
XVIII. DaddyTorgo-claims to be a Telepath

Unknown Roles:

III. RendeR-claimed to be protected by the Paladin
VI. Abe Sargent
VII. Schmidty
X. lerriuqs-claimed to be viewed as good from a scan from Martin
XIII. Chief Rum
XIV. Tyrith
XIX. nfg22

[ntndeacon]

I guess it doesn't mnatter at this point. I will go with the crowd here.

Vote Autumn

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

do you have reason to believe that you wouldn't be?

The Jackal said in a PM that he thinks I may be, but I haven't heard anything official though. This sucks. I really want to play.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

So here's where we stand with reveals and role claims:

I. Lathum - blown up by the inferno device night 1 - Ancient of Earth
II. dubb93 - lynched day 1/returned day 2 - Phoenix
III. RendeR-claimed to be protected by the Paladin
IV. ntndeacon-claimed to be Inferno Hunter
V. Autumn-claiming to be Nightcrawler
VIII. JAG-claiming to be Nightcrawler
IX. hoopsguy-claims to be a Telepath
X. lerriuqs-claimed to be viewed as good from a scan from Martin
XI. Danny-claims to be a telepath
XII. Barkeep49-claims to be Dr. Jekyll/Mr Hyde
XV. MartinD-claims to be Nostradamus-views as good by Thomkal
XVI. Thomkal-claims to be Mentok, the Mind Taker-the seer
XVII. Passacaglia-claims to be the Minotaur
XVIII. DaddyTorgo-claims to be a Telepath

Unknown Roles:

III. RendeR-claimed to be protected by the Paladin
VI. Abe Sargent
VII. Schmidty
X. lerriuqs-claimed to be viewed as good from a scan from Martin
XIII. Chief Rum
XIV. Tyrith
XIX. nfg22

If it is really this cut and dry, and I somehow doubt it is this game will become the poster game for why you can't have every player with a role and have every role/alignment public knowledge.

[Thomkal]

yeah dubb I agree which makes me worry that it really is this cut and dry.

[Thomkal]

Has anybody kept track of who might not have reported in since the supposed Ancient of Ice attack?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I guess it doesn't mnatter at this point. I will go with the crowd here.

Vote Autumn

Well, it certainly does matter, and don't you think the wolves are probably going with the crowd if there's such a big crowd?

You guys can get JAG tomorrow but you're wasting a night here.

[Autumn]

Danny, these sort of mistakes are the reason it was not good to get too overoptimistic about our situation this morning. We could have done a mass reveal and put the wolves on the ropes, instead we're killing off a villager and letting a wolf hang around another night. Tomorrow they'll pull the same thing. I'd recommend forcing people to reveal and getting the fake reveals out there now so people can be scanned.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by dubb93

If it is really this cut and dry, and I somehow doubt it is this game will become the poster game for why you can't have every player with a role and have every role/alignment public knowledge.

Coming on the backs of a ton of people complaining about even one hidden role.

FWIW, there's things I need to change but I'll address it after the game is over.

[Autumn]

I feel like a should make a little speech here.

You guys don't find it odd that JAG just showed up suddenly to denounce me and then never came back, not hanging around to be able to answer any of my questions? Because he doesn't want to have to lie often enough to get tripped up. You guys are going to feel really played in about 20 minutes but then you're going to have to wait 24 hours to get any revenge. What will they pull between then and now?

[JAG]

For what it's worth, you'll pretty much never see me on here between 4:30pmish and 6pmish CST because that's when I leave work and drive to day care.

I don't think there's anything beyond my post 571 that needed to be said honestly. It was pretty clear people were going to make a choice between us based on what we had said and done previously and not after we were facing the gallows. Fortunately it looks like people have chosen well.

[Autumn]

I'm sure you think so, and what a convenient time to check in. Tell me JAG, why don't you tell us about your movement yesterday? And tell me what is distinctive about Nightrawler's movement as he closes in on the center of the labyrinth?

[JAG]

I'd be delighted to tell you about my movement, although it was very unexciting. I teleported into a dead end and there wasn't any other description of the area.

[Autumn]

And which directions did you move JAG?

[Autumn]

Clearly you are going based on the description in the write up that says "teleport" but do not know that Nightcrawler teleports one square at a time and in certain directions like everyone else.

[Autumn]

But since no one even bothered to log in at deadline, that will be that I suppose.

[Autumn]

All right, whatever, I'm done posting here. I'll go post in the Killed Early thread instead while you guys go, "whoa, whoops, guess he was right."

[The Jackal]

The Jester surveys the lynch results, a smug look on his face.

"Sporting decision, gents!"

He flicks his wrist and Autumn crumples to the ground, lifeless.

Autumn was Nightcrawler!

[The Jackal]

Website is loading one page every 3-5 minutes for me, so movement results are going to be delayed until that fixes itself.

[DaddyTorgo]

assholes!!!

sorry Autumn

JAG's the vote tomorrow then

[Abe Sargent]

Alright you wolf dunces. I had to be jailed last game for a day and I'm going to be out the next couple of days mostly. It was VERY unsporting to freeze me.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Autumn

All right, whatever, I'm done posting here. I'll go post in the Killed Early thread instead while you guys go, "whoa, whoops, guess he was right."

"whoa, whoops, guess he was right" Sorry Autumn, but I would have felt a bigger fool had I voted for JAG and he turned out to be nightcrawler after that typo of yours plus being a dubb voter. We forced a wolf to come out from hiding at least so your death did give us that.

[hoopsguy]

Well, that was a bummer. I just wish that the person who had made the first "agreed role reveal" had something besides what I thought was the most convenient fake reveal for the bad guys. But shame on me for over-thinking things rather than just playing it straight.

[DaddyTorgo]

aaah so it was abe they froze

[Abe Sargent]

Well today was the downside of mass reveals, we might sometimes get a villager in a He Said He Said kind of thing, but now we have one wolf in the hand, so it's working pretty well.

[Thomkal]

hey Abe,

do you want to reveal since you aren't going to be around as much the next couple days?

[Abe Sargent]

I'd like to point out, for hte future, you can tell if someone is frozen if they have voted. My vote was pulled in all subsequent vote recaps by the GM, so you could tell I was frozen. We can use that inthe future if we spy it and are told someone was forzen.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

hey Abe,

do you want to reveal since you aren't going to be around as much the next couple days?

I would prefer not too unless pushed, and certainly not at night.

[The Jackal]

All moves should be out.

[Thomkal]

okay so the question remains: why would the wolves freeze abe of all people at that point in the game?

[The Jackal]

FYI, Schmidty has been removed from the game. His role was non-essential and no one could find a replacement, so.. The Jester has struck him dead.

Schmidty was the Mongol Warrior!

[DaddyTorgo]

d'oh

[DaddyTorgo]

double-whammy

[DaddyTorgo]

if abe doesn't want to reveal that's fine. i say we give him until it's mathematically a bad idea to leave him then, and look elsewhere

tomorrow: JAG

then:

lerriuqs-claimed to be viewed as good from a scan from Martin
Chief Rum
Tyrith
nfg22
Render

[DaddyTorgo]

note i included render and lerriuqs because they are "claimed to be good" as a result of other actions (receiving a block and a scan when one could be "scan as good") but i think obviously we look there last and go CR/Tyrith/NFG before that, barring other things

[Thomkal]

So here's where we stand with reveals and role claims:

I. Lathum - blown up by the inferno device night 1 - Ancient of Earth
II. dubb93 - lynched day 1/returned day 2 - Phoenix
III. RendeR-claimed to be protected by the Paladin
IV. ntndeacon-claimed to be Inferno Hunter
V. Autumn-lynched day 2Nightcrawler
VII. Schmidty-revealed as the Mongol Warrior/removed from the game
VIII. JAG-claiming to be Nightcrawler-is now a known wolf
IX. hoopsguy-claims to be a Telepath
X. lerriuqs-claimed to be viewed as good from a scan from Martin
XI. Danny-claims to be a telepath
XII. Barkeep49-claims to be Dr. Jekyll/Mr Hyde
XV. MartinD-claims to be Nostradamus-views as good by Thomkal
XVI. Thomkal-claims to be Mentok, the Mind Taker-the seer
XVII. Passacaglia-claims to be the Minotaur
XVIII. DaddyTorgo-claims to be a Telepath

Unknown Roles:

III. RendeR-claimed to be protected by the Paladin
VI. Abe Sargent
X. lerriuqs-claimed to be viewed as good from a scan from Martin
XIII. Chief Rum
XIV. Tyrith
XIX. nfg22

[Thomkal]

well I can view Abe or Render-I would not put it past the wolves to freeze one of their own at this point and Render being protected by the Paladin could be a fake too. Or go for one of the three basically unknowns in Chief Rum, Tyrith, or Nfg22. Decisions, Decisions...

[Tyrith]

I'm Loki. In essence, I'm a cultist.

Seems like the nature of this game has pretty much prevented me from having fun with this, sigh, so I'm going with the villagers. Winning is annoying occasionally :P

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I'm Loki. In essence, I'm a cultist.

Seems like the nature of this game has pretty much prevented me from having fun with this, sigh, so I'm going with the villagers. Winning is annoying occasionally :P

Can you clarify how you were able to make that choice?