WW LXXIV Killer Kittens on Mount FujiMori day (GAME OVER- KITTENS WIN) - Page 13

Coffee Warlord · 06-01-2008, 06:18 PM

Interesting. Well, that leaves some major doubts that PB and Mccollins are both bad.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm tempted to say it was villager-villager-villager and the switches were meant to do just what they did, create chaos. I still don't trust you or Cronin but I don't get the moves to try and force my hand. You know what though, maybe you and Cronin are wolves and all that movement was to try and steer enough votes on me, I don't know.

From the votes, I'm likely on my way out, which I guess I shouldn't complain about since it gives my thumb a break for a week or so, so I'll just take the votes and let you guys see the results. Maybe you'll see something that you made a mistake so look at who drove both votes on me.

What do you mean by 'the moves to try and force my hand'? Are you referring to mccollins here, or something else?

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Interesting. Well, that leaves some major doubts that PB and Mccollins are both bad.

How so?

Coffee Warlord · 06-01-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

How so?

If you can accept for the moment that I am a cat, I find it unlikely they'd BOTH go after me.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Why CW? Same reasons as mccollins or do you have different reasons?

Simple reason. I have to put up somebody as a second candidate and I refuse to vote Cronin. Mccollins actually believes that I'm good. So that leaves CW. He gets it by default.

mccollins · 06-01-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

mccollins was not trying to save me. If he were trying to save me, he would have voted PurdueBrad or hoopsguy, not Coffee Warlord.

I'm on Coffee Warlord because it felt like he was 'leading' the proceedings on day 1 and because he was so suspicious of me.

At this point, if he was a wolf/dog, I feel he could have better orchestrated a run on me. Barring that happening, I'll be looking to move my vote tomorrow morning.

mccollins · 06-01-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Simple reason. I have to put up somebody as a second candidate and I refuse to vote Cronin. Mccollins actually believes that I'm good. So that leaves CW. He gets it by default.

Well, that's interesting (though I don't really know in what way). I hadn't seen all this before I posted.

EagleFan · 06-01-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So if that was a joke, why are you now calling out these three, when earlier you were accusing cronin, Lathum, and The Jackal? I realize you were being flip in your earlier accusations, but when you throw crap around at everyone, you pretty much devalue whatever it is you're trying to say.

Uh, here of sarcasm much? I spelled out the current group of 4 that I suspect (cronin included). The Lathum and Jackyl comments were sarcastic responses to their posts. It's just trying to stir the pot to see what else I can get out of them, like talking while at a poker table to see what tells come out.

I still don't suspect you though Pass, but I'm starting to wonder why I don't.

EagleFan · 06-01-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

Warlord - mccollins (493), Purdue (597)
Cronin - heinz (505)
PB - Cronin (506), Pass (508), RendeR (593), Lathum (594)
mccollins - Warlord (562)

Im off tommorow, so I wont be updateing the count alot. I will be back from my emitions test for deadline, and im putting off my long awaited DMV trip till after

but you will have to do your own dealine coutns.....

You missed my vote on 582 for cronin. Probably my bad though as I put it in with a larger breakdown post.

oliegirl · 06-01-2008, 07:13 PM

VOTE PERDUEBRAD

Seolian · 06-01-2008, 07:26 PM

I am pretty new to the game, but all the moving around at the end is pretty peculiar. So far, I am putting Lathum, jeheinz and PUrdueBrad on my list of wolfies and will be voting for PerdueBrad because of the amount of changes and the way he has taken on comments against him.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

KWhit · 06-01-2008, 07:26 PM

I didn't like the late day one vote switch by mccollins. I still don't know what that's about.

At first, my theory was that mccollins was a wolf and he was trying to kill two birds with one stone:

Get a strong player (Hoops) lynched without actually having to cast a vote for him
Put a meaningless, throw away vote on a fellow wolf (CW) that he could point to later

Obviously that makes some assumptions, and I actually don't think that CW is a wolf because of how hard he came after mccollins after that. So maybe my theory is crap, but right now I can't get past the f'ed up vote switch by mccollins. There's something screwy there.

Vote Mccollins

KWhit · 06-01-2008, 07:28 PM

Wow. Quite a lot of votes in a row on PurdueBrad.

Coffee Warlord · 06-01-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Wow. Quite a lot of votes in a row on PurdueBrad.

6 or 7. Which, even accepting the fact that some people won't be around for the deadline, is a lot this early. I think it's awfully early for the mutts to be firing up a sacrificial lamb.

mccollins · 06-01-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I didn't like the late day one vote switch by mccollins. I still don't know what that's about.

At first, my theory was that mccollins was a wolf and he was trying to kill two birds with one stone:

Get a strong player (Hoops) lynched without actually having to cast a vote for him
Put a meaningless, throw away vote on a fellow wolf (CW) that he could point to later

Obviously that makes some assumptions, and I actually don't think that CW is a wolf because of how hard he came after mccollins after that. So maybe my theory is crap, but right now I can't get past the f'ed up vote switch by mccollins. There's something screwy there.

Nope, just playing different this game. Throwing stones and seeing who reacts most strongly - or gets their wolf buddies to attack back at me.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 07:46 PM

I wonder what the wolves that are voting for me are seeing that is driving everyone else to see me as a wolf. I know what I see going on and therefore have to look at the run as well.

I don't have anything more than random guess at worst but I do trust what I have seen from St. Cronin which is why he won't get my vote. I think mccollins is okay as well. Coffeewarlord is still an unknown so I'll stay there.

If people don't get it and change at this point, you've got to wonder.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

6 or 7. Which, even accepting the fact that some people won't be around for the deadline, is a lot this early.

Normally I would be much more subtle with what I said in my previous post but the deadline is a big problem with so few around.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2008, 07:49 PM

I'm inclined to agree with this. I nearly put the third vote on him earlier when I posted on what I thought of his play up to this point, but I didn't necessarily want to make it easy to start a run on him. Well, the run happened anyway.

I'm almost always on the opposite side of PurdueBrad in these games, which has definitely led to some in-game friction in the past. Nothing terribly heated, but neither of us is generally that inclined to trust the other (well, I can definitely say this for myself).

I think I was fighting against voting for him earlier - even when I thought it was the right move - because I thought the day one votes were pretty lame (FOFC Sex Symbol draft). That said, sometimes lame reasons get good results. I voted for Blade on Day 1 of the X-Com game because he was always killed right away in that dynasty so it made me chuckle. Stupid reason, but he was a bad guy. Same thing going to happen here?

If we don't get PB now, I think we'll keep coming around to him later in the game. This isn't like some of the other games where a seer scan is 100% damning. There is a seer and a fool, and if someone gets a "pound puppie" result on someone it isn't a certainty that they are in fact bad. So I don't think we can just say "leave him for the seer tomorrow".

OK, end of stream of conscious thought.

I'm probably going to end up voting for PB at the end of the night, even if I do think the run on him smells off. I think we have to know, one way or the other, about him from Day 1. I'm just not sure I like the logical conclusion of that if he is in fact a villager, since it puts Cronin and I as the next two to test with votes/lynch.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2008, 07:50 PM

PB, are you still going to be around in 30 minutes? I want to run something past you but I'm on my way out the door right now.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

PB, are you still going to be around in 30 minutes? I want to run something past you but I'm on my way out the door right now.

Yeah, I'll be here.

claphamsa · 06-01-2008, 07:57 PM

baH! someone do a vote coutn, i missed one

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

baH! someone do a vote coutn, i missed one

It was probably for me

I'll let someone else do it because if I make amistake, I don't want to be accussed of cheating or maybe being a fool.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

If you can accept for the moment that I am a cat, I find it unlikely they'd BOTH go after me.

I think it might set them up to say "why would we both vote for the same person?" regardless of what you are.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm inclined to agree with this. I nearly put the third vote on him earlier when I posted on what I thought of his play up to this point, but I didn't necessarily want to make it easy to start a run on him. Well, the run happened anyway.

I'm almost always on the opposite side of PurdueBrad in these games, which has definitely led to some in-game friction in the past. Nothing terribly heated, but neither of us is generally that inclined to trust the other (well, I can definitely say this for myself).

I think I was fighting against voting for him earlier - even when I thought it was the right move - because I thought the day one votes were pretty lame (FOFC Sex Symbol draft). That said, sometimes lame reasons get good results. I voted for Blade on Day 1 of the X-Com game because he was always killed right away in that dynasty so it made me chuckle. Stupid reason, but he was a bad guy. Same thing going to happen here?

If we don't get PB now, I think we'll keep coming around to him later in the game. This isn't like some of the other games where a seer scan is 100% damning. There is a seer and a fool, and if someone gets a "pound puppie" result on someone it isn't a certainty that they are in fact bad. So I don't think we can just say "leave him for the seer tomorrow".

OK, end of stream of conscious thought.

I'm probably going to end up voting for PB at the end of the night, even if I do think the run on him smells off. I think we have to know, one way or the other, about him from Day 1. I'm just not sure I like the logical conclusion of that if he is in fact a villager, since it puts Cronin and I as the next two to test with votes/lynch.

hoops, you might explain this to PB in half an hour anyway, but what smells off about the PB run to you?

EagleFan · 06-01-2008, 08:10 PM

I'm going to keep my vote on cronin for now but I am really starting to wonder about PB. His recent posts seem to be getting close to the tell range that I mentioned before.

Either of these are in the two pairs of wolves whom I suspect (see my earlier breakdown) so it could clear that up for me a bit.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 08:14 PM

unvote Coffeewarlord
vote Eaglefan

You're right in that I'm telling something but you are (intentionally?) missing it. Plus the fact that you have a vote on St. Cronin looks even worse from what I've seen.

claphamsa · 06-01-2008, 08:27 PM

Warlord - mccollins (493)
Cronin - heinz (505), Eagle fan #582
PB - Cronin (506), Pass (508), RendeR (593), Lathum (594), Olegirl 610, Seolieon 611
mccollins - Warlord (562), Kwhitt 612
Eagles- PB #626

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 08:31 PM

Just want to point out:

2 posts after the first vote, I get the second.
1 post after the third vote, I get the fourth.
1 post after the fifth, I get the sixth.

3 pairs voting, together?

hoopsguy · 06-01-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

hoops, you might explain this to PB in half an hour anyway, but what smells off about the PB run to you?

There is no reveal/scan, but all the votes are towards PB and none towards Cronin (or me, I was in the team photo on Day 1 as well).

The run feels a little too easy. Maybe there is an element of paranoia here, but most of the time when I don't understand runs I see villagers getting lynched.

However, I've got another thought on my mind now that I want to finish exploring.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2008, 08:40 PM

OK, so the thought that I've got.

Purdue, since you are pretty blatantly suggesting that you are a seer/fool, why wouldn't you have posted on Friday when you were up for lynch? Or did I just miss something (or a post after I was out) that was more subtle than your stuff tonight?

It is pretty clear who you are suggesting you scanned as well. Cool, that result makes sense in light of yesterday. But I've seen you as the seer in games in the past in trouble on Day 1. You didn't come outright and say it, but it was clear enough for someone paying attention. If you did that this game, then supply a post number. If not, then why did you change your MO only to swing it again tonight?

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 09:00 PM

Hoops, I've got the post numbers (don't know how to do multiple quotations) but am glad you remember how I've done this (although you were bad last time I did it and I learned to be a *touch* more subtle). Before I post the numbers/explanations though, let me explain why I didn't say anything night 1: I had the defining vote, or so I thought. All the movement almost screwed things but I still made it out on the tie. I scanned and got a result on St.Cronin which is why I refuse to vote for him even though I could be the Persian.

Here are my posts:

Post 222- the use of look/looking
233- the mention of pawns (we got seer ability of sorts on night 4 as Pass or mccollins can verify). Why else mention them here?
254- "base all my decisions on what I've seen" Umm, yeah, which is why I derided day one because I hadn't seen anything yet
390- was me asking the other seer to scan me because it would help determine Persian/Siamese
403- again, use of look
590-on: much more blunt

As you'll recall, I was much less subtle in the past using the word "see" over and over, this time I tried "look" in case this came up. I'll probably never be able to do it again after this but there you go.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 09:15 PM

I was confused by post 390 from the get-go. Who made you look like a liar?

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I was confused by post 390 from the get-go. Who made you look like a liar?

Two-fold, actually: Obviously the use of liar was strong and that was a hint that I could be the fool. But secondly, it goes back to what I thought were vote manipulations at the deadline. I guaranteed no tie and then it still happened.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 09:20 PM

Can't edit but I did use look in post 390 as well.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Two-fold, actually: Obviously the use of liar was strong and that was a hint that I could be the fool. But secondly, it goes back to what I thought were vote manipulations at the deadline. I guaranteed no tie and then it still happened.

You're not the only one. jeheinz guaranteed no tie -- you at least had an excuse, too. KWhit said something about hating ties, and he didn't do anything, either (but I think he was hinting that he was too confused to break the tie).

mccollins · 06-01-2008, 09:23 PM

I want to believe you PB, but some of those seem tenuous at best. I think 254 is the best example.

If you do get lynched and come up as a wolf, it looks like hoops just lobbed you a softball to try to explain some of the suspicion (that I still don't understand) away. I hope you really are what you're hinting at.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

I hope you really are what you're hinting at.

And that's my other concern, if I turn out to be the Persian, it's probably better me being lynched rather than give bad scans.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 09:26 PM

PB, how can we be sure you weren't giving yourslf this excuse from the start? I'm slightly inclined to believe you, but if I do, then I don't know who to vote for!

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 09:27 PM

IF you believe me and frankly I'm not going to beg you to, don't vote for Cronin either.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

I want to believe you PB, but some of those seem tenuous at best. I think 254 is the best example.

If you do get lynched and come up as a wolf, it looks like hoops just lobbed you a softball to try to explain some of the suspicion (that I still don't understand) away. I hope you really are what you're hinting at.

I guess my thing is not how strong his references are -- it's that he could have been lying about them the whole time. Especially with two seer types -- if he's fake, a real seer wouldn't call him out. And no, we're not going to suggest that we try to get two seer reveals!

mccollins · 06-01-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

And that's my other concern, if I turn out to be the Persian, it's probably better me being lynched rather than give bad scans.

Well, since you've basically revealed, would it be worth it to go ahead and tell the result of your scan?

The rules say the Persian will always get back either "dark or light" results. It might be easy to figure out which one you are and then the other seer/fool will be able to better figure out their role.

Thoughts?

mccollins · 06-01-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

IF you believe me and frankly I'm not going to beg you to, don't vote for Cronin either.

Yeah, I just re-read through and saw those comments in your new light.

I'm being entertained by the lolcats too much to vote for cronin anyways.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

Yeah, I just re-read through and saw those comments in your new light.

I'm being entertained by the lolcats too much to vote for cronin anyways.

But that's what you were suggesting in your previous post, right?

mccollins · 06-01-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

And no, we're not going to suggest that we try to get two seer reveals!

Absolutely not. One of them is enough. Hopefully we can get enough info to help that person figure out their role and stay quiet.

mccollins · 06-01-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But that's what you were suggesting in your previous post, right?

Which post?

I'm prepared to move off CW tomorrow, but not onto Cronin.

I've got a couple of others in mind, but I want to go read back through the run on PB. Honestly, I don't know that the wolves would've picked up on his hints without hoops anyways.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2008, 09:39 PM

I returned, w/o a direct quote, Cronin's aura appears as light to you.

Sorry, getting distracted helping the wife set up Wiifit.

EagleFan · 06-01-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

Well, since you've basically revealed, would it be worth it to go ahead and tell the result of your scan?

The rules say the Persian will always get back either "dark or light" results. It might be easy to figure out which one you are and then the other seer/fool will be able to better figure out their role.

Thoughts?

Didn't he already reveal the results of his "scan" when he clears cronin?

I think there's some BS going on here.

EagleFan · 06-01-2008, 09:44 PM

lol, sorry, was watching the fight and didn't refresh to see all the other posts since I hit the quote button.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I wonder what the wolves that are voting for me are seeing that is driving everyone else to see me as a wolf. I know what I see going on and therefore have to look at the run as well.

I don't have anything more than random guess at worst but I do trust what I have seen from St. Cronin which is why he won't get my vote. I think mccollins is okay as well. Coffeewarlord is still an unknown so I'll stay there.

If people don't get it and change at this point, you've got to wonder.

I'm pretty sure I saw exactly what PB wanted someone (me or otherwise) to see in this spot. I didn't initially pick up any of the hints he listed earlier. Going now to look at the context around those posts to see if it passes the sniff test.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2008, 10:02 PM

Going to vote in the morning. After re-reading the posts I still think PB is a wolf but I want to sleep on the idea of potentially flushing the seer on my gut here.

06-01-2008, 07:57 PM	#621
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	baH! someone do a vote coutn, i missed one __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-01-2008, 08:27 PM	#627
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Warlord - mccollins (493) Cronin - heinz (505), Eagle fan #582 PB - Cronin (506), Pass (508), RendeR (593), Lathum (594), Olegirl 610, Seolieon 611 mccollins - Warlord (562), Kwhitt 612 Eagles- PB #626 __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

06-01-2008, 06:18 PM	#601
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Interesting. Well, that leaves some major doubts that PB and Mccollins are both bad.

06-01-2008, 07:26 PM	#611
Seolian n00b Join Date: May 2008	I am pretty new to the game, but all the moving around at the end is pretty peculiar. So far, I am putting Lathum, jeheinz and PUrdueBrad on my list of wolfies and will be voting for PerdueBrad because of the amount of changes and the way he has taken on comments against him. VOTE PURDUEBRAD

06-01-2008, 07:26 PM	#612
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I didn't like the late day one vote switch by mccollins. I still don't know what that's about. At first, my theory was that mccollins was a wolf and he was trying to kill two birds with one stone: Get a strong player (Hoops) lynched without actually having to cast a vote for him Put a meaningless, throw away vote on a fellow wolf (CW) that he could point to later Obviously that makes some assumptions, and I actually don't think that CW is a wolf because of how hard he came after mccollins after that. So maybe my theory is crap, but right now I can't get past the f'ed up vote switch by mccollins. There's something screwy there. Vote Mccollins

06-01-2008, 07:28 PM	#613
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Wow. Quite a lot of votes in a row on PurdueBrad.

06-01-2008, 07:46 PM	#616
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I wonder what the wolves that are voting for me are seeing that is driving everyone else to see me as a wolf. I know what I see going on and therefore have to look at the run as well. I don't have anything more than random guess at worst but I do trust what I have seen from St. Cronin which is why he won't get my vote. I think mccollins is okay as well. Coffeewarlord is still an unknown so I'll stay there. If people don't get it and change at this point, you've got to wonder.

06-01-2008, 07:49 PM	#618
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm inclined to agree with this. I nearly put the third vote on him earlier when I posted on what I thought of his play up to this point, but I didn't necessarily want to make it easy to start a run on him. Well, the run happened anyway. I'm almost always on the opposite side of PurdueBrad in these games, which has definitely led to some in-game friction in the past. Nothing terribly heated, but neither of us is generally that inclined to trust the other (well, I can definitely say this for myself). I think I was fighting against voting for him earlier - even when I thought it was the right move - because I thought the day one votes were pretty lame (FOFC Sex Symbol draft). That said, sometimes lame reasons get good results. I voted for Blade on Day 1 of the X-Com game because he was always killed right away in that dynasty so it made me chuckle. Stupid reason, but he was a bad guy. Same thing going to happen here? If we don't get PB now, I think we'll keep coming around to him later in the game. This isn't like some of the other games where a seer scan is 100% damning. There is a seer and a fool, and if someone gets a "pound puppie" result on someone it isn't a certainty that they are in fact bad. So I don't think we can just say "leave him for the seer tomorrow". OK, end of stream of conscious thought. I'm probably going to end up voting for PB at the end of the night, even if I do think the run on him smells off. I think we have to know, one way or the other, about him from Day 1. I'm just not sure I like the logical conclusion of that if he is in fact a villager, since it puts Cronin and I as the next two to test with votes/lynch.

06-01-2008, 07:50 PM	#619
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, are you still going to be around in 30 minutes? I want to run something past you but I'm on my way out the door right now.

06-01-2008, 08:10 PM	#625
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I'm going to keep my vote on cronin for now but I am really starting to wonder about PB. His recent posts seem to be getting close to the tell range that I mentioned before. Either of these are in the two pairs of wolves whom I suspect (see my earlier breakdown) so it could clear that up for me a bit.

06-01-2008, 08:14 PM	#626
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	unvote Coffeewarlord vote Eaglefan You're right in that I'm telling something but you are (intentionally?) missing it. Plus the fact that you have a vote on St. Cronin looks even worse from what I've seen.

06-01-2008, 08:31 PM	#628
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Just want to point out: 2 posts after the first vote, I get the second. 1 post after the third vote, I get the fourth. 1 post after the fifth, I get the sixth. 3 pairs voting, together?

06-01-2008, 08:40 PM	#630
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, so the thought that I've got. Purdue, since you are pretty blatantly suggesting that you are a seer/fool, why wouldn't you have posted on Friday when you were up for lynch? Or did I just miss something (or a post after I was out) that was more subtle than your stuff tonight? It is pretty clear who you are suggesting you scanned as well. Cool, that result makes sense in light of yesterday. But I've seen you as the seer in games in the past in trouble on Day 1. You didn't come outright and say it, but it was clear enough for someone paying attention. If you did that this game, then supply a post number. If not, then why did you change your MO only to swing it again tonight?

06-01-2008, 09:00 PM	#631
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Hoops, I've got the post numbers (don't know how to do multiple quotations) but am glad you remember how I've done this (although you were bad last time I did it and I learned to be a touch more subtle). Before I post the numbers/explanations though, let me explain why I didn't say anything night 1: I had the defining vote, or so I thought. All the movement almost screwed things but I still made it out on the tie. I scanned and got a result on St.Cronin which is why I refuse to vote for him even though I could be the Persian. Here are my posts: Post 222- the use of look/looking 233- the mention of pawns (we got seer ability of sorts on night 4 as Pass or mccollins can verify). Why else mention them here? 254- "base all my decisions on what I've seen" Umm, yeah, which is why I derided day one because I hadn't seen anything yet 390- was me asking the other seer to scan me because it would help determine Persian/Siamese 403- again, use of look 590-on: much more blunt As you'll recall, I was much less subtle in the past using the word "see" over and over, this time I tried "look" in case this came up. I'll probably never be able to do it again after this but there you go.

06-01-2008, 09:15 PM	#632
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I was confused by post 390 from the get-go. Who made you look like a liar?

06-01-2008, 09:20 PM	#634
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Can't edit but I did use look in post 390 as well.

06-01-2008, 09:23 PM	#636
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	I want to believe you PB, but some of those seem tenuous at best. I think 254 is the best example. If you do get lynched and come up as a wolf, it looks like hoops just lobbed you a softball to try to explain some of the suspicion (that I still don't understand) away. I hope you really are what you're hinting at.

06-01-2008, 09:26 PM	#638
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	PB, how can we be sure you weren't giving yourslf this excuse from the start? I'm slightly inclined to believe you, but if I do, then I don't know who to vote for!

06-01-2008, 09:27 PM	#639
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	IF you believe me and frankly I'm not going to beg you to, don't vote for Cronin either.

06-01-2008, 09:39 PM	#646
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I returned, w/o a direct quote, Cronin's aura appears as light to you. Sorry, getting distracted helping the wife set up Wiifit.

06-01-2008, 09:44 PM	#648
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	lol, sorry, was watching the fight and didn't refresh to see all the other posts since I hit the quote button.

06-01-2008, 10:02 PM	#650
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Going to vote in the morning. After re-reading the posts I still think PB is a wolf but I want to sleep on the idea of potentially flushing the seer on my gut here.

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