The NBA 2010 offseason/draft thread - Page 13

RainMaker · 07-01-2010, 07:44 PM

Has there been any reports on when James is done sucking his own dick and is going to tell everyone where he's going? This free agency thing was fun for awhile but now I just want it to end.

miami_fan · 07-01-2010, 07:48 PM

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Right or wrong, Gay getting the Max was going to happen.

The problem is everyone including the Grizzlies know that giving him the max is wrong.

Noop · 07-01-2010, 07:51 PM

OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay are both tier 2 level players and should not be getting the max. The NBA seriously need to look over their contract situations because neither one should even sniff the level of money top players receive.

Groundhog · 07-01-2010, 08:20 PM

Dumb signing by the Bucks re: Gooden. Sheesh.

jeff061 · 07-01-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Rondo really needs to fire his agent, too. He is only getting 55 million for the same years that Gay got 81 for. Rondo would have been maxed out by someone this offseason, I can't believe his agent(and rajon) were so short sighted to take the extension.

Well at the time he was a guy with a lot of potential, but was bogged down with major maturity issues. Frequently pissed his teammates and coaches off, to the point where there was debate to trade him rather than sign him. Two sides gamble, one wins.

It's not like he signed it after he became a household name. Hell, who knows, maybe he signed it thinking playing with the big three for another few years would boost his value.

Ramzavail · 07-01-2010, 08:35 PM

Here’s a thought:

When they move to Brooklyn, the Russian pays off Sacramento (they suck anyways) to change their team name, so we can have the “Kings” as in the county and as in King LeBron.

DaddyTorgo · 07-01-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Has there been any reports on when James is done sucking his own dick and is going to tell everyone where he's going? This free agency thing was fun for awhile but now I just want it to end.

Agreed. His whole "I'm not going anywhere...you all are coming to see me" schtick is obnoxious too. Fuckwad.

Groundhog · 07-01-2010, 09:32 PM

It's a bit surprising to me that I really don't care that LeBron is most likely not in Cleveland next season. I just hope it's a sign-and-trade and that we manage to get something for him. I'd even take Beasley, see if he can turn it around.

RainMaker · 07-01-2010, 09:41 PM

I'm surprised too. I was really excited and into this, now I just want it to end. I'd love Lebron to be on the Bulls, but he's such a collossal douche that it almost doesn't matter to me anymore.

DaddyTorgo · 07-01-2010, 09:45 PM

I wonder if it's just us messageboard geeks or if the general public is having the same type of reaction and he's actually harming his image with this whole charade?

chadritt · 07-01-2010, 09:52 PM

Its been less than a day AND he canceled the massive media tour that it was going to be. I think its just people here who are over it/him.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-01-2010, 09:57 PM

I think he's even trying to minimize it. It's going to be a circus no matter what, this is a HUGE story. By not travelling the country and meeting with the teams in rapid succession, isn't he taking the more reserved route?

miami_fan · 07-01-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I wonder if it's just us messageboard geeks or if the general public is having the same type of reaction and he's actually harming his image with this whole charade?

I would think it is just the messageboards since D-Wade and Chris Bosh have been doing essentially the same thing.

Atocep · 07-01-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chadritt

Its been less than a day AND he canceled the massive media tour that it was going to be. I think its just people here who are over it/him.

From I read his marketing firm (the guys he went to high school with) planned the city to city tour and canceled it once they realized it was getting tons of negative feedback before it even started.

He's put a lot of stuff in the hands of guys he trusts, but aren't close to being trained and prepared to handle his marketing the way it should be handled.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-01-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chadritt

I think its just people here who are over it/him.

I tend to agree with that.

I mean, I give less than a rat's ass about the NBA but even I find the potential scenarios interesting conversation fodder. That was about the take on one of the sportstalkers I heard this afternoon, basically that the speculation about possibilities is actually more compelling than whatever the eventual reality (for everyone except who gets him).

RainMaker · 07-01-2010, 10:37 PM

It's just entering Brett Favre status for me.

stevew · 07-01-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Agreed. His whole "I'm not going anywhere...you all are coming to see me" schtick is obnoxious too. Fuckwad.

I can't believe you're criticizing this over the city to city tour. Basically you don't like him, I get that. I think he's an asshole too, but your criticism here is dumb.

Anyways, my take is that he made his decision awhile ago, but wants to reduce potential tampering charges and also wants to do the "it's not you, it's me" thing with the cities and fanbases he's going to turn down.

RainMaker · 07-01-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I can't believe you're criticizing this over the city to city tour. Basically you don't like him, I get that. I think he's an asshole too, but your criticism here is dumb.

Anyways, my take is that he made his decision awhile ago, but wants to reduce potential tampering charges and also wants to do the "it's not you, it's me" thing with the cities and fanbases he's going to turn down.

Come on. Almost every year we have big free agents who sign on July 1st. Everyone knows that agents and such work through back channels. He knows what every team can offer and what they have right now. Jay-Z was also tampering last week with Lebron and the league didn't give a shit.

If he knows where he's going, just go there. Dragging this crap out for a week is just obnoxious. It's not just that though, it's the bullshit rumors that his camp keeps sending out about who the new favorite is every day.

Ask yourself if Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, or Larry Bird would pull this shit. Not a chance. They were too busy worrying about winning. Something Lebron doesn't do.

stevew · 07-01-2010, 11:09 PM

You'll suck his dick when he's on your team. Trust me, I know how it tastes.

Neuqua · 07-01-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

You'll suck his dick when he's on your team. Trust me, I know how it tastes.

This might be my favorite post ever.

RainMaker · 07-01-2010, 11:12 PM

I want him in Chicago. Just saying he's a giant douche.

stevew · 07-01-2010, 11:14 PM

Amir Johnson gets 5yrs, 32M.

Who's Amir Johnson? I think he was maybe on the pistons? Drafted out of HS IIRC

This makes Drew Gooden look underpaid.

RainMaker · 07-01-2010, 11:19 PM

I'd rather have Amir Johnson. He actually was pretty good at the end of the year once they gave him some minutes.

He's a risk, but could pay off big for the Raptors if he turns into a 15+ PPG game at that price. These small markets have to take their chances on potential, and I think Amir has some.

Groundhog · 07-01-2010, 11:31 PM

Hmmm... I'd have to think that's above his market value. I think he's a good player, one of those guys that does more than the boxscores show, but yeah, not at that price.

vex · 07-01-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

These small markets have to take their chances on potential

And it will work out eventually for those upstart Knicks and Clippers!

DaddyTorgo · 07-01-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Come on. Almost every year we have big free agents who sign on July 1st. Everyone knows that agents and such work through back channels. He knows what every team can offer and what they have right now. Jay-Z was also tampering last week with Lebron and the league didn't give a shit.

If he knows where he's going, just go there. Dragging this crap out for a week is just obnoxious. It's not just that though, it's the bullshit rumors that his camp keeps sending out about who the new favorite is every day.

Ask yourself if Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, or Larry Bird would pull this shit. Not a chance. They were too busy worrying about winning. Something Lebron doesn't do.

Hell, even Kobe wouldn't pull this shit. Lebron is so full of himself.

stevew · 07-01-2010, 11:39 PM

Kobe entertained signing with the Clippers and forced the Lakers to trade Shaq.

If the Grizzlies GM isn't so fucktarded and doesn't trade Gasol for virtually nothing, Kobe still has only 3 rings.

So he's not innocent here....

bhlloy · 07-01-2010, 11:40 PM

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And it will work out eventually for those upstart Knicks and Clippers!

No kidding. The NBA isn't so much big/small market as it is smart teams and teams who just consistently make terrible decisions.

Speaking of which, I love this analysis. It's just so dead on. How the hell does this guy have a job, let alone a job that makes him $$$ and most American males would kill for....

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They entered last week with three draft picks in the first round including a lottery selection, and potentially over $15 million in cap space including all the cap holds, and so far they've procured Martell Webster, Lazar Hayward(notes), Wesley Johnson, Hamady N'Diaye(notes), Darko Milicic (same guy), and Nikola Pekovic. Five million in cap space left.

It never gets old

DaddyTorgo · 07-01-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Kobe entertained signing with the Clippers and forced the Lakers to trade Shaq.

If the Grizzlies GM isn't so fucktarded and doesn't trade Gasol for virtually nothing, Kobe still has only 3 rings.

So he's not innocent here....

Not innocent, but not this bad.

RainMaker · 07-01-2010, 11:43 PM

Kobe wins, Lebron doesn't.

MrBug708 · 07-01-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Kobe entertained signing with the Clippers and forced the Lakers to trade Shaq.

If the Grizzlies GM isn't so fucktarded and doesn't trade Gasol for virtually nothing, Kobe still has only 3 rings.

So he's not innocent here....

Heh

RainMaker · 07-01-2010, 11:50 PM

If you read Hollinger, he makes a convincing case that the Gooden contract was actually a good move.

- He had a 16.95 PER last season and has routinely been above 16.
- Rebounds well and has a good mid-range jumper.
- Best big man at that price. Market is just real bad.

Basically they added something they desperately needed, offense. They are under the cap and will be better than they were last year.

They aren't contenders, but do have one of the best coaches in the game and I could see them winning close to 50 games if Jennings gets better and Bogut comes back healthy. That's not bad.

stevew · 07-01-2010, 11:57 PM

I guess he's never watched Gooden play? Regardless of PER and any statistical measure, the dude plays losing basketball.

Groundhog · 07-01-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Kobe wins, Lebron doesn't.

Adam Morrison wins, LeBron doesn't.

Groundhog · 07-02-2010, 12:02 AM

Statistics that attempt to prove Gooden is a decent basketballer should be ignored completely, and it's a worry that GMs seem to rely on stats rather than their own eyes to evaluate players, because I don't see any other reason why Gooden would have got a contract like he did.

I mean seriously, the last couple of seasons the dude has been passed around amongst teams all looking for a starting-quality PF, and he hasn't stuck.

stevew · 07-02-2010, 12:02 AM

Shannon Brown wins, LeBron doesn't.

MrBug708 · 07-02-2010, 12:05 AM

It's a start. Up until last year, it was

Shaq wins, Kobe doesn't

stevew · 07-02-2010, 12:07 AM

This is Gooden's 9th team in 9 seasons.

chadritt · 07-02-2010, 12:20 AM

I want to see a team with Adam Morrison and Brian Scalbrine. They would win every year. Theyd certainly beat a Lebron-Rose-Bosh combo in Chicago.

Neon_Chaos · 07-02-2010, 12:32 AM

We live in a world where Sasha Vujacic has 2 more rings than LeBron.

The NBA: It's amazing.

Groundhog · 07-02-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

It's a start. Up until last year, it was

Shaq wins, Kobe doesn't

To be fair, Kobe didn't do an awful lot of winning post-Shaq on a team that had at least comparable talent to what LeBron had to work with for several seasons.

It's amazing what being gifted one of the best bigmen in the league can do for a guy's career.

Danny · 07-02-2010, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

To be fair, Kobe didn't do an awful lot of winning post-Shaq on a team that had at least comparable talent to what LeBron had to work with for several seasons.

It's amazing what being gifted one of the best bigmen in the league can do for a guy's career.

Lebron didn't do much until the last two seasons either, in which he did have more talent than Kobe did during those first few post-Shaq years. During the years where they both had no talent, Kobe was in a much tougher conference. He probably would have lead the Lakers to a 3 or 4 seed in the East at that time.

Groundhog · 07-02-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Lebron didn't do much until the last two seasons either, in which he did have more talent than Kobe did during those first few post-Shaq years. During the years where they both had no talent, Kobe was in a much tougher conference. He probably would have lead the Lakers to a 3 or 4 seed in the East at that time.

Yeah, LeBron didn't do much, except single-handedly take the Cavs to the NBA finals back in 06-07. They got slaughtered, sure, but that's an impressive feat none-the-less, and one that Kobe hasn't equalled.

Maybe he would have led the Lakers to a 3 or 4 seed in the East instead of a first round exit in the West. Maybe not. Who knows. Just talking about what did happen.

MrBug708 · 07-02-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yeah, LeBron didn't do much, except single-handedly take the Cavs to the NBA finals back in 06-07. They got slaughtered, sure, but that's an impressive feat none-the-less, and one that Kobe hasn't equalled.

I'm sure Kobe is upset about that.

Too bad the Cavs didn't try and compete as well as build for this years FA. I could only imagine that one of the big stars would have headed towards Cleveland and play with Lebron.

Danny · 07-02-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yeah, LeBron didn't do much, except single-handedly take the Cavs to the NBA finals back in 06-07. They got slaughtered, sure, but that's an impressive feat none-the-less, and one that Kobe hasn't equalled.

Maybe he would have led the Lakers to a 3 or 4 seed in the East instead of a first round exit in the West. Maybe not. Who knows. Just talking about what did happen.

I did forget about that, but still, you know how bad the east was then?

Danny · 07-02-2010, 01:31 AM

Oh and while Lebron's cast of Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Ilgauskus and Varajo was certainly not great, check out the three guys who started along with Bryant and Odom... Smush Parker, Luke Walton and Kwame Brown.

Groundhog · 07-02-2010, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I'm sure Kobe is upset about that.

Too bad the Cavs didn't try and compete as well as build for this years FA. I could only imagine that one of the big stars would have headed towards Cleveland and play with Lebron.

Yeah, I really wish we'd cleared out shop and compiled multiple consecutive losing seasons and expiring contracts all in the hope of landing some FAs this offseason too. It's been a real drag winning games, even without a championship.

Chief Rum · 07-02-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Kobe entertained signing with the Clippers and forced the Lakers to trade Shaq.

If the Grizzlies GM isn't so fucktarded and doesn't trade Gasol for virtually nothing, Kobe still has only 3 rings.

So he's not innocent here....

Actually, Shaq didn't lose the Shaq versus Kobe battle, he lost the Shaq versus Jerry Buss battle. Buss didn't want to pay Shaq $30 M or whatever every season, and Shaq refused to compromise. So Shaq was traded.

Chief Rum · 07-02-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I did forget about that, but still, you know how bad the east was then?

Heck, outside of CLE, ORL and BOS, the East still ain't much good now.

Groundhog · 07-02-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Heck, outside of CLE, ORL and BOS, the East still ain't much good now.

Outside of 3 of the top 4 teams in the NBA? It might be top heavy, but remember that the teams from the East have to play these guys more than those out west. There is more parity in the West the past decade or so, but look at the players in this FA market; Knicks/Nets/Bulls/Heat. Maybe the scales could begin to tip back the other way.

07-01-2010, 07:51 PM	#603
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay are both tier 2 level players and should not be getting the max. The NBA seriously need to look over their contract situations because neither one should even sniff the level of money top players receive. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

07-01-2010, 08:20 PM	#604
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Dumb signing by the Bucks re: Gooden. Sheesh. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

07-01-2010, 09:32 PM	#608
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	It's a bit surprising to me that I really don't care that LeBron is most likely not in Cleveland next season. I just hope it's a sign-and-trade and that we manage to get something for him. I'd even take Beasley, see if he can turn it around. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

07-01-2010, 09:57 PM	#612
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	I think he's even trying to minimize it. It's going to be a circus no matter what, this is a HUGE story. By not travelling the country and meeting with the teams in rapid succession, isn't he taking the more reserved route? __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

07-01-2010, 11:31 PM	#624
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Hmmm... I'd have to think that's above his market value. I think he's a good player, one of those guys that does more than the boxscores show, but yeah, not at that price. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

07-01-2010, 07:44 PM	#601
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Has there been any reports on when James is done sucking his own dick and is going to tell everyone where he's going? This free agency thing was fun for awhile but now I just want it to end.

07-01-2010, 08:35 PM	#606
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	Here’s a thought: When they move to Brooklyn, the Russian pays off Sacramento (they suck anyways) to change their team name, so we can have the “Kings” as in the county and as in King LeBron.

07-01-2010, 09:41 PM	#609
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I'm surprised too. I was really excited and into this, now I just want it to end. I'd love Lebron to be on the Bulls, but he's such a collossal douche that it almost doesn't matter to me anymore.

07-01-2010, 09:45 PM	#610
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I wonder if it's just us messageboard geeks or if the general public is having the same type of reaction and he's actually harming his image with this whole charade?

07-01-2010, 09:52 PM	#611
chadritt High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA	Its been less than a day AND he canceled the massive media tour that it was going to be. I think its just people here who are over it/him.

07-01-2010, 10:37 PM	#616
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	It's just entering Brett Favre status for me.

07-01-2010, 11:09 PM	#619
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	You'll suck his dick when he's on your team. Trust me, I know how it tastes.

07-01-2010, 11:12 PM	#621
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I want him in Chicago. Just saying he's a giant douche.

07-01-2010, 11:14 PM	#622
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Amir Johnson gets 5yrs, 32M. Who's Amir Johnson? I think he was maybe on the pistons? Drafted out of HS IIRC This makes Drew Gooden look underpaid.

07-01-2010, 11:19 PM	#623
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I'd rather have Amir Johnson. He actually was pretty good at the end of the year once they gave him some minutes. He's a risk, but could pay off big for the Raptors if he turns into a 15+ PPG game at that price. These small markets have to take their chances on potential, and I think Amir has some.

07-01-2010, 11:39 PM	#627
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Kobe entertained signing with the Clippers and forced the Lakers to trade Shaq. If the Grizzlies GM isn't so fucktarded and doesn't trade Gasol for virtually nothing, Kobe still has only 3 rings. So he's not innocent here.... Last edited by stevew : 07-01-2010 at 11:39 PM.

07-01-2010, 11:43 PM	#630
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Kobe wins, Lebron doesn't.

07-01-2010, 11:50 PM	#632
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	If you read Hollinger, he makes a convincing case that the Gooden contract was actually a good move. - He had a 16.95 PER last season and has routinely been above 16. - Rebounds well and has a good mid-range jumper. - Best big man at that price. Market is just real bad. Basically they added something they desperately needed, offense. They are under the cap and will be better than they were last year. They aren't contenders, but do have one of the best coaches in the game and I could see them winning close to 50 games if Jennings gets better and Bogut comes back healthy. That's not bad.

07-01-2010, 11:57 PM	#633
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I guess he's never watched Gooden play? Regardless of PER and any statistical measure, the dude plays losing basketball.

07-02-2010, 12:02 AM	#635
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Statistics that attempt to prove Gooden is a decent basketballer should be ignored completely, and it's a worry that GMs seem to rely on stats rather than their own eyes to evaluate players, because I don't see any other reason why Gooden would have got a contract like he did. I mean seriously, the last couple of seasons the dude has been passed around amongst teams all looking for a starting-quality PF, and he hasn't stuck. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

07-02-2010, 12:02 AM	#636
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Shannon Brown wins, LeBron doesn't.

07-02-2010, 12:05 AM	#637
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	It's a start. Up until last year, it was Shaq wins, Kobe doesn't

07-02-2010, 12:07 AM	#638
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	This is Gooden's 9th team in 9 seasons.

07-02-2010, 12:20 AM	#639
chadritt High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA	I want to see a team with Adam Morrison and Brian Scalbrine. They would win every year. Theyd certainly beat a Lebron-Rose-Bosh combo in Chicago. Last edited by chadritt : 07-02-2010 at 12:32 AM.

07-02-2010, 12:32 AM	#640
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	We live in a world where Sasha Vujacic has 2 more rings than LeBron. The NBA: It's amazing. __________________ Come and see.

07-02-2010, 01:31 AM	#646
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Oh and while Lebron's cast of Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Ilgauskus and Varajo was certainly not great, check out the three guys who started along with Bryant and Odom... Smush Parker, Luke Walton and Kwame Brown.

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