2010 College Football Hiring/Firing Thread

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

You seem to like to bring up Ohio State a lot in your Michigan justification posts.

Quit trying to drag them down.

Not at all. I was only using OSU as the best example of a top-tier rust belt football program to compare to Michigan. It was a compliment.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

(I was referring to Frank Cignetti, Jr - I thought he was a good, obvious choice)

You mean the new Rutgers offensive coordinator? Apparently they told him right away he wasn't being considered.

[tarcone]

Wow. Poor scUM. No one wants to coach there. It would be really funny if Hoke turned them down after being the 3rd choice.

[Ksyrup]

I wonder how many calls Schiano has made to Michigan?

"Someone put that guy on permanent call block."

Two weeks later... "Um...anyone got that Schiano guy's number?"

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Miles staying at LSU is the right move for him. He has a really good thing going down there. He's been so lucky in so many instances that I feared wouldn't end up the same if he were in the Big House. For it to have worked, I feel it would have required phenomenal coaches all around to avoid the need to call the crazy plays he does on a fairly regular basis.

In Baton Rouge, he's had enough success with those crazy plays that if he calls one & it doesn't work you can say "well, that one didn't work. the last five did, so the next one might!" In Ann Arbor the slate would have been clean. One bad call and it would have been "uh-oh, here we go."

Michigan is not a coach-killer position. It can be the best job in the nation whether college or pro... for the right coach. Hopefully Brandon finds the right fit.

[Ksyrup]

So besides Hoke, what names are being thrown around now?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I wonder how many calls Schiano has made to Michigan?

"Someone put that guy on permanent call block."

Two weeks later... "Um...anyone got that Schiano guy's number?"

At this point I don't think he regrets passing on the job back in 07. He has what is basically a lifetime contract at Rutgers at a good number, whereas he would have been fired in two years at Michigan. If he took the job today, I don't know if he'd make it out of the first year.

That being said, this is the first offseason where he seems to finally understand his own limitations and is bringing in the correct people to plug the holes. So he's got that going for him, which is nice...

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So besides Hoke, what names are being thrown around now?

I believe all the names that were being thrown around, even the long shots, are out of the picture.

It looks like it's going to be Hokemania, unless there is some dark horse candidate out there.

[JPhillips]

So can we start talking about Carr's Curse yet?

[Poli]

I think Fulmer is interested...and Kiffin can be bought.

[molson]

C'mon Wolverines, you also have Greg Robinson RIGHT THERE. He was a 10-win guy at Syracuse. Sure, it took him four years....

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Michigan is not a coach-killer position. It can be the best job in the nation whether college or pro... for the right coach. Hopefully Brandon finds the right fit.

In its current incarnation I disagree. The problem is any coach who comes in will need 2-3 years to completely rebuild program and by then the boosters will be calling for his head. I think they are headed towards a vicious circle.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Lathum

In its current incarnation I disagree. The problem is any coach who comes in will need 2-3 years to completely rebuild program and by then the boosters will be calling for his head. I think they are headed towards a vicious circle.

Notre Dame, anyone?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Notre Dame, anyone?

I think it is even worse considering the system RR ran is likely very different than the next guy.

[bronconick]

And it's Hoke.

Denard Robinson looking into whether he can get $180k to transfer to Auburn.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think it is even worse considering the system RR ran is likely very different than the next guy.

I'm guessing the bigger issue will be how quickly Hoke can get the defense turned around. I suspect fans will give Hoke a little leeway on changing up the offense (assuming he does so), but will want to see immediate defensive improvement.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Lathum

In its current incarnation I disagree. The problem is any coach who comes in will need 2-3 years to completely rebuild program and by then the boosters will be calling for his head. I think they are headed towards a vicious circle.

+1. I think if Hoke had more time he could become that kind of guy, but right now people are still unsure of him. Outside of him, it's basically defcon 5 for Michigan and they are forced to look at coordinator level guys. This is very much setting up to hire the next fall guy and then Michigan hopefully does a proper coaching search in about another 3 years.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Matthean

+1. I think if Hoke had more time he could become that kind of guy, but right now people are still unsure of him. Outside of him, it's basically defcon 5 for Michigan and they are forced to look at coordinator level guys. This is very much setting up to hire the next fall guy and then Michigan hopefully does a proper coaching search in about another 3 years.

At which point Michigan is some sort of cross between post-Davie Notre Dame and the post-Bear Bryant Alabama interregnum where everyone available to coach until Saban had to be "one of Bear's boys."

[molson]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Notre Dame, anyone?

I'm not sure whether it's the schools, the boosters, or the fanbase in general that villifies coaches but it definitely isn't helpful. Rich Rodriguez well a well-respected guy with a lot of success. Somehow in three years, with solid recruiting classes and a (slightly) improved record each year - he's somehow a super villian that they have to run out of town.

Sometimes I wonder if its the school that tries to scapegoat the coach, to keep convincing the fanbase, "we're still elite, it's just that guy's fault we're not winning national championships every year." But I don't think the fanbase needs any help turning on someone.

I imagine the fanbase will crap all over the Hoke hire, so he'll already have negative support when he starts. 5-7 next year, he'll be the new super villain, and will he have the time and ability to recover from that?

There are more compeitive football programs than there used to be. There's going to be off-years. They're not worth sabatoging the future of your program over.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by molson

I'm not sure whether it's the schools, the boosters, or the fanbase in general that villifies coaches but it definitely isn't helpful. Rich Rodriguez well a well-respected guy with a lot of success. Somehow in three years, with solid recruiting classes and a (slightly) improved record each year - he's somehow a super villian that they have to run out of town.
.

Because he isn't a "Michigan Man"

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by molson

I imagine the fanbase will crap all over the Hoke hire, so he'll already have negative support when he starts. 5-7 next year, he'll be the new super villain, and will he have the time and ability to recover from that?

The only thing Michigan will be crapping over is their opponents!

Hoke has been hired.

I, for one, embrace the hire. I am a Hokemaniac.

I have been keeping a list. I know who all you little bitches are.

There will be a reckoning!

[tarcone]

Can Hoke recruit? He has to start over on the defensive side of the ball. He needs a QB, although I think Forcier can run a pro-style offense. He has to smooth over the loss of D Robinson.

What a mess.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The only thing Michigan will be crapping over is their opponents!

Hoke has been hired.

I, for one, embrace the hire. I am a Hokemaniac.

I have been keeping a list. I know who all you little bitches are.

There will be a reckoning!

You're a well balanced individual and a good fan. It's the boosters I worry about.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The only thing Michigan will be crapping over is their opponents!

Hoke has been hired.

I, for one, embrace the hire. I am a Hokemaniac.

I have been keeping a list. I know who all you little bitches are.

There will be a reckoning!

I hope you entered this contest!

University of Michigan Official Athletic Site

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Can Hoke recruit? He has to start over on the defensive side of the ball. He needs a QB, although I think Forcier can run a pro-style offense. He has to smooth over the loss of D Robinson.

What a mess.

Hell yeah, he can recruit. He could recruit the panties off your mama and your sister at the same time if he wanted to.

Michigan still has Devin Gardner, who I believe might get a medical red shirt.

Enjoy this while you can, wee little hawkeye. Your time as an upstart was cute and all, but your doomsday clock has begun. You will find yourself in obscurity's warm, familiar embrace soon enough!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by molson

You're a well balanced individual and a good fan. It's the boosters I worry about.

The boosters are bitches. I've been annoyed with them since their little coniption fit over the whole Rich Rod thing and the divisive nature of his tenure. It was crap.

Unfortunately, I am not in that income bracket yet* or I would crack some skulls.





*And by "yet", I mean "never will be".

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Solid, yet unspectacular pick. I like it. (We had "spectacular" for the last few years, if anybody remembers.)

If it wasn't My choices, in order, would have been Harbaugh, Hoke & then Paul Chryst (who I don't think would cry about wanting to be a "Michigan Man," he would have simply ran the ball down people's throats.)

Hail, Hail to Michigan!

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by bronconick

At which point Michigan is some sort of cross between post-Davie Notre Dame and the post-Bear Bryant Alabama interregnum where everyone available to coach until Saban had to be "one of Bear's boys."

Unless I missed something, Dennis Franchione was the first non-Bear guy.

Originally Posted by Lathum

Because he isn't a "Michigan Man"

(edits out long dead horse ramble)

To lay blame on RR's firing due to him not being a Michigan man is to ignore a blood bath of errors that he is directly responsible for.

[bronconick]

That's right. I got Franchione and Price all mixed together.

[cmp]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Can Hoke recruit? He has to start over on the defensive side of the ball. He needs a QB, although I think Forcier can run a pro-style offense. He has to smooth over the loss of D Robinson.

What a mess.

Denard isn't going anywhere.

I am happy with the hire, just wish it would have happened a month and a half ago. I think most Michigan fans will actually be okay with the hire.

[MacroGuru]

I think he brings Rocky Long up to be the DC, if not Long will be the HC at San Diego State.

I like this hire and I think it will do the school and it's fan base. It definitely needed to be done a month ago though.

[Butter]

As an OSU fan, I am excited about the hire as well.

I expect Hoke to show up to Crisler Arena any day now and talk about how proud Michigan fans will be in X number of days when the Wolverines beat Ohio State. The closer Michigan gets to Notre Dame, the further away they get from being relevant.

[Passacaglia]

I'm just glad they have someone. I'm not one of those that sits there and pontificates about who should be the coach or how decisions should be made -- I just watch the games and hope they win. Like HB, I'll never be in the tax bracket where my opinion matters, so I don't bother getting bent out of shape about it. Hopefully it works out!

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by MacroGuru

I think he brings Rocky Long up to be the DC, if not Long will be the HC at San Diego State.

I like this hire and I think it will do the school and it's fan base. It definitely needed to be done a month ago though.

Rocky Long just lost out on the head coaching position at Texas State U. Not sure he will be getting the SDSU job either. I do think he'd take the SDSU job over the Michigan DC position.

I also think there is a small shot that he comes back to UCLA

[MrBug708]

I stand corrected. Looks like he is about to be named HC

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I stand corrected. Looks like he is about to be named HC

Yeah, he did a lot at New Mexico and developed some solid coaches and talent. I think you give him an area he can recruit to, SDSU will still keep growing and doing well.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I got to say it. Can we call coach "Ho?"

[Logan]

Sounding like former Miami OC Mark Whipple could be the guy for UConn.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by molson

I'm not sure whether it's the schools, the boosters, or the fanbase in general that villifies coaches but it definitely isn't helpful. Rich Rodriguez well a well-respected guy with a lot of success. Somehow in three years, with solid recruiting classes and a (slightly) improved record each year - he's somehow a super villian that they have to run out of town.

Sometimes I wonder if its the school that tries to scapegoat the coach, to keep convincing the fanbase, "we're still elite, it's just that guy's fault we're not winning national championships every year." But I don't think the fanbase needs any help turning on someone.

I imagine the fanbase will crap all over the Hoke hire, so he'll already have negative support when he starts. 5-7 next year, he'll be the new super villain, and will he have the time and ability to recover from that?

There are more compeitive football programs than there used to be. There's going to be off-years. They're not worth sabatoging the future of your program over.

Gene Chizik has just made it a lot harder on new coaches. He has just gone from taking over a team that went 5-7(2-6 in the SEC) and getting their doors blown off by their hated rival to a BCS title in what 25 months? And he was not well-liked when he got there. I pretty sure that fans look at that and say "Why not us?"

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Gene Chizik has just made it a lot harder on new coaches. He has just gone from taking over a team that went 5-7(2-6 in the SEC) and getting their doors blown off by their hated rival to a BCS title in what 25 months? And he was not well-liked when he got there. I pretty sure that fans look at that and say "Why not us?"

There are a number of factors for why Chizik did so well this year. Let's see him continue to do it next year after the team gets gutted.

[Butter]

2 words: Cam Newton.

2 more: Gus Malzahn.

Chizik can be expected to fade back into Bolivian once Newton is gone and Malzahn moves on.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Matthean

There are a number of factors for why Chizik did so well this year. Let's see him continue to do it next year after the team gets gutted.

Like buying players?

[Swaggs]

Chizik is in an interesting position now. I'm not sure that he is in much of a position to demand a raise with Malzahn standing directly behind him (who is more replaceable between the two?), but he probably has one more season (at best), with Malzahn, to cash in because I doubt he is going to be very marketable after Newton/Malzahn leave.

Plus, he is probably going to be unemployable, as a head coach at least, after the Newton stuff all gets resolved.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

There are a number of factors for why Chizik did so well this year. Let's see him continue to do it next year after the team gets gutted.

Fans are not interested in the specifics. At least not until the NCAA sanctions come. Chizik came in as a defensive guy, hired a offensive genius and recruited (paid?) Cam Newton. That combo got Auburn a title after two years. If you don't think other programs are looking at that and saying that could/should be us, you are fooling yourself.

[Ksyrup]

I think it's more realistic for fans to have that expectation based on what Nick Saban did at Alabama, not what Auburn did based almost entirely on a guy who either (being generous) fell into their laps as a special situation, or (more likely) was bought for that specific purpose.

[cmp]

I'm sold on Hoke.

[RedKingGold]

Darren Rovell tweeted that Hoke accepted the offer without discussing salary.

Yeah, I like to see that kind of business savvy from my head coach.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Darren Rovell tweeted that Hoke accepted the offer without discussing salary.

Yeah, I like to see that kind of business savvy from my head coach.

You know who else accepted their jobs without discussing salary? Our Founding Fathers and General Patton.

You can have your slick, Wallstreet "business savvy" types, I'll gladly stick with my Great Leaders types, thank you very much.

Oh, RedKingGold, I hope you have a big appetite because there is going to be so much ass for you taste... (I mean, have you looked at Brady Hoke? Not a small man.)

[cmp]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Darren Rovell tweeted that Hoke accepted the offer without discussing salary.

Yeah, I like to see that kind of business savvy from my head coach.

The guy would do anything to coach at Michigan. He's not terribly concerned with a dollar amount.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You know who else accepted their jobs without discussing salary? Our Foudning Fathers and General Patton.

You can have your slick, Wallstreet "business savvy" types, I'll gladly stick with my Great Leaders types, thank you very much.

Oh, RedKingGold, I hope you have a big appetite because there is going to be so much ass for you taste... (I mean, have you looked at Brady Hoke? Not a small man.)

He looks like Mike Golic...that's all I needed to see.