Obama versus McCain (versus the rest)

[Mac Howard]

When he gulped back the emotion the women's graph hit the stop.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I'd love to see Samoa Joe slap a rear naked choke on Ahmadinejad.. now that's foreign policy I can get behind.

I was thinking that Joe's closing line to Sting, to the effect that "at Bound For Glory you may walk the aisle but I promise that you'll be carried out of the ring afterwards" wouldn't have been an unwelcome addition to one of the political debates.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Honestly, have you ever seen very many political debates. You just described 95% of the participants.

Never to this level.. there's talking AROUND the point, and then there's completely ignoring the question and striking out on a new tangent.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't think she's painfull. She's mostly funny. She's like character in a Hollywood movie about someone that woke up one morning and became a VP canididate.

i think she plays up that angle too much though, which leads me to belive most of it is manufactured. they're going for a very "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" image with her.

[Maple Leafs]

Most common words in this debate:

1. "Maverick"
2. "the"
3. "change"
4. "Bush"
...
2,087. "Sakowski"

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Stop saying "maverick". I'm begging you.

My wife wanted to do a drinking game with her saying "maverick" and "govenor." We'd be on the floor by now.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Now, this is where I'm supposed to say that she started it, right? Seriously, man. I'm mocking it because it deserves to be mocked. We might not as well have a debate if you show up, decide you're not going to answer the questions put to you by the moderator, and talk about something completely different midstream. This is apparently the only way they could get through Palin through the debate.

I am mocking you because you deserve to be mocked for acting like you have been. If I, or any other conservative would've posted the picture you did or made some of the comments you did...we would've gotten your famous

[DaddyTorgo]

NICE

I LOVE when Biden points out that McCain isn't a maverick.

IMO that has great impact

[Tigercat]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't think she's painfull. She's mostly funny. She's like character in a Hollywood movie about someone that woke up one morning and became a VP canididate.

Some people see that as painful because they would hope if that leap happened to one of us we would also become magically eloquent and presidential(or vice-presidential) to match it.

[Maple Leafs]

Funny... Biden mentions "can we send mom for her MRI" and the woman graph line shoots up, the man one doesn't even budge.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Most common words in this debate:

1. "Maverick"
2. "the"
3. "change"
4. "Bush"
...
2,087. "Sakowski"

Mats Sundin sighting!

[JonInMiddleGA]

And in my oh-so-interested-in-pretending-any-of-this-stuff-actually-matters to a significant number of votes way, I give you ...

Who is the tall, dark stranger there?
Maverick is the name.
Ridin' the trail to who knows where,
Luck is his companion,
Gamblin' is his game.
Smooth as the handle on a gun.
Maverick is the name.
Wild as the wind in Oregon,
Blowin' up a canyon,
Easier to tame.

Riverboat, ring your bell,
Fare thee well, Annabel.
Luck is the lady that he loves the best.
Natchez to New Orleans
Livin on jacks and queens
Maverick is a legend of the west.

Riverboat, ring your bell,
Fare thee well, Annabel.
Luck is the lady that he loves the best.
Natchez to New Orleans
Livin' on jacks and queens
Maverick is a legend of the West.
Maverick is a legend of the West.

[sterlingice]

Was that a debate question or a job interview question? (then again, I guess this is a job interview...)

SI

[kcchief19]

I love Biden but McCain's campaign is probably already finished editing an ad where he says Article I of the Constitution covers the executive branch. It's Article II.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I am mocking you because you deserve to be mocked for acting like you have been. If I, or any other conservative would've posted the picture you did or made some of the comments you did...we would've gotten your famous

I found it interesting.. and I'm surprised they didn't try camera tricks to put them on the same level, that's all. To read into that somehow i was trying to make a "OMG she's a midget LOLWTFBBQ" joke, is.. rather a stretch there.

But, since you insist..

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I love Biden but McCain's campaign is probably already finished editing an ad where he says Article I of the Constitution covers the executive branch. It's Article II.

According to Biden, that's not what Lincoln said on his blog.

[Noop]

She doesn't look good in HD.

[Recoil]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

My wife wanted to do a drinking game with her saying "maverick" and "govenor." We'd be on the floor by now.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I love Biden but McCain's campaign is probably already finished editing an ad where he says Article I of the Constitution covers the executive branch. It's Article II.

And Article IV? Party time!

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

According to Biden, that's not what Lincoln said on his blog.

(not to take away from the debate, but) I'm pretty sure I've said this to each individually, but you two might be my favorite witty posters

SI

[sabotai]

Article VIII: Legalize It!

[Flasch186]

Welp, I thought McCain won the first one.

I think Biden won this one.

[Young Drachma]

I hate the term Average American.

Absolutely hate it.

[GrantDawg]

She likes this a whole lot better than that tricky, hard interviewer Katie Couric AKA The Bulldog.

[Mac Howard]

"I like the opportunities to answer these tough questions" - Palin. Was that ever a rehearsed statement

[Maple Leafs]

Palin says she likes the opportunity to speak directly to the people without "media filter".

I assume that means she's finally going to have a live press conference, right?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oooh ... just got another idea courtesy of TNA Impact.

Jim Cornette = best Presidential debate moderator ever

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Palin says she likes the opportunity to speak directly to the people without "media filter".

I assume that means she's finally going to have a live press conference, right?

are you mad man? absolutely MAD??

[SirFozzie]

Good thing Maverick wasn't on the drinking game list, because you'd have to chug there. (Both sides say the word Maverick like it's the secret word in a Groucho Marx game show)

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Palin says she likes the opportunity to speak directly to the people without "media filter".

I assume that means she's finally going to have a live press conference, right?

No, no. That would be a media filter, too. Media filter means anyone that might ask a question she didn't completely expect.

[kcchief19]

Speaking of drinking games, this is the longest I have ever seen Joe Biden speak without using the word "literally," and even moreso not using the word "literally" incorrectly.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

Welp, I thought McCain won the first one. I think Biden won this one.

On a straight scorecard, Biden won it easily. Not really close.

But based on expectations, she did just fine. She had her faults -- didn't answer the question, distorted a few facts about voting records, went way too folsky -- but I can't see how any of those will resonate with anyone who wasn't already firmly pro-Obama.

Overall, McCain campaign has to be thrilled.

[Young Drachma]

I think that Gwen Ifill did a good job moderating.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

On a straight scorecard, Biden won it easily. Not really close.

But based on expectations, she did just fine. She had her faults -- didn't answer the question, distorted a few facts about voting records, went way too folsky -- but I can't see how any of those will resonate with anyone who wasn't already firmly pro-Obama.

Overall, McCain campaign has to be thrilled.

Yup.

[kcchief19]

I love the CNN scorecards ... Ed Rollins scoring it 45-15 in favor of Palin is a riot.

[Mac Howard]

She did well enough. No "Please explain" moments. No foot in mouth statements from him. How disappointing

First assessment: he took it on competence. In fact I thought he showed more competence than any of the four candidates.

[Maple Leafs]

Random tangent re: drinking games.

On Canadian election night, the TV networks cycle through every riding (there are 300) and show pictures of the top three candidates in each. Mrs Leafs and I take a drink every time all three people shown are old white men.

We usually call in sick the next day.

[Dr. Sak]

So when's the VP swimsuit debate start?

[astrosfan64]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

didn't he crash his plane...and then get shot down?

STFU, that simply isn't funny.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I found it interesting.. and I'm surprised they didn't try camera tricks to put them on the same level, that's all. To read into that somehow i was trying to make a "OMG she's a midget LOLWTFBBQ" joke, is.. rather a stretch there.

But, since you insist..

lol Foz, apparently you aren't the only one to uncover the camera angel conspiracy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

So when's the VP swimsuit debate start?

STFU, that simply isn't funny.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

So when's the VP swimsuit debate start?

please, no one post a pic of Biden in a speedo.


ok bye.

[Young Drachma]

Pat Buchanan says she was "sensational." And that she "wiped the floor with Joe Biden." If he thought she was that, then boy I can't wait to hear what the others think...

I almost considered voting for the Constitution Party candidate, but besides their lackluster web design skills, I don't really like their not-so-veiled "we're basically going to implement Christendom in America" politics.

I dunno. Trying to figure out politically what candidate least offends my sensibilities. But this year, it's hard as hell.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Anthony

please, no one post a pic of Biden in a speedo.

Nor any patriotic themed undies.

[sterlingice]

On CNN they're having the idiotic post mortem with the voters on the panel. I like having a fun little rating and we had fun with it, but I hate listening to individual voters on sound byte tv.

SI

[ISiddiqui]

NBC was saying how they both ended up winning and no one lost (basically, they said it was a draw). The low expectations bar was easily met by Gov. Palin and Sen. Biden didn't say anything super dumb so it seemed they did what they were supposed to do.

Nothing really for the late night talk show hosts to talk about it seems.

[ISiddiqui]

One thing I will say is that it was very nice to see the candidates and their families chatting for ~10 minutes or so after the debate. Biden and Palin themselves seemed to be chatting for a while after their families had met each other. Refreshing stuff.

[sterlingice]

Early results posted on fivethirtyeight.com

Originally Posted by 538.com

10:06 CDT: [Nate] The CBS poll of undecideds had Biden winning the debate 46-21, with 33 percent calling it a tie. But few votes were moved as as result. Among the undecideds, 18 percent committed to Obama, and 10 percent committed to McCain, but 71 percent remained uncommitted.

Biden won the CNN and CBS focus groups. Palin won the Luntz focus group. The candidates tied in the Halperin focus group.

So, yeah, Biden won. Not really a surprise there. And, in the end, nothing really happened in the overall scheme of the election as it was just the VP debate.

SI

[lordscarlet]

"Maverick" doesn't annoy me near as much as "Main Street."

I also think that measuring success by exceeding a bar that was set low is absurd. Both candidates should be judged on the same expectations: future Vice President of the United States.

[ISiddiqui]

Which is a pretty low bar in itself.