Big 10 Expansion Thread -Big Ten ready for a playoff .. finally?

[Atocep]

The PPG is reporting $11 million.

WVU close to settling suit and joining Big 12 this year

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Memphis to the Big East starting in 2013-14 in all sports.

Memphis Tigers joining Big East for 2013-14 season - ESPN

Jeez, how many times am I going to have to change my pstats file?

[Atocep]

Finally done according to multiple sources.

http://dailymail.com/News/breakingnews/201202090205

Deal! - West Virginia Headline News and Talk Radio

WVU is paying $11 million. The Big 12 is chipping in $9 million.

EDIT: made a correction on how the buyout was split up.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Klinglerware

Jeez, how many times am I going to have to change my pstats file?

haha I know right.

[Young Drachma]

Mountain West, Conference USA form new league, sources say - ESPN

MWC/C-USA merger happening.

[JeeberD]

Yay, I guess. Should be a solid basketball league, though football is going to be pretty sad...

[cartman]

Will they use the name "Big Others Conference"

[Easy Mac]

They should call it the Marshall Extending to Hawaii conference, or MEH for short.

[Izulde]

Another source of a MW/CUSA merger:

BREAKING NEWS: UNLV Plans to Depart Mountain West, Join Newly Fo

[Buccaneer]

Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Colorado State, East Carolina, Fresno State, Hawaii, Marshall, Nevada-Reno, New Mexico, UNLV, Rice, Southern Mississippi, Texas-El Paso, Tulane, Tulsa and Wyoming will be the 16 members.

the new league will likely try to get automatic qualifier status into football’s Bowl Championship Series.

These two statements totally contradict each other. If neither the current MWC and CUSA conferences are close to BCS, how can something much less than that but closer??

[Ksyrup]

I'm sure the powers that be will review their application for AQ status for the next 2 years, and then it will be moot when AQ/non-AQ is abolished.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by cartman

Will they use the name "Big Others Conference"

They should call it the "Big 16" to get a jump on all the other "Big XX" conferences.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

These two statements totally contradict each other. If neither the current MWC and CUSA conferences are close to BCS, how can something much less than that but closer??

Yeah, no where have I seen such delusional ideas. Must've come from a local market source. This deal is about withstanding an attack if more raiding happens and enables them to both get better tv deals. Not much more than that.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

They should call it the "Big 16" to get a jump on all the other "Big XX" conferences.

From what I remember last summer, the Big XII actually owns the rights for Big 13-16.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm sure the powers that be will review their application for AQ status for the next 2 years, and then it will be moot when AQ/non-AQ is abolished.

Exactly. This is just one more step towards consolidating conferences and moving toward a larger playoff structure. These schools are wise to be the first group to go to 16 teams. By doing it proactively, they'll be involved in the discussion when the bigger conferences do the same. If they were to wait and react after the big conferences make the move, they'd be in a much weaker position.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Exactly. This is just one more step towards consolidating conferences and moving toward a larger playoff structure. These schools are wise to be the first group to go to 16 teams. By doing it proactively, they'll be involved in the discussion when the bigger conferences do the same. If they were to wait and react after the big conferences make the move, they'd be in a much weaker position.

Why?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

Why?

They're in a much better position with 16 teams lobbying at the table. If you leave that group out, you're going to have some pretty big ramifications, likely on a political level from a funding/anti-trust perspective. They can leave out smaller groups, but a conference that big has to be put in play when they move to a playoff format.

[bronconick]

All the BCS conferences are going to do is have the NCAA deny Mount America's request for a 4 team conference championship playoff making the whole thing pointless.

[MacroGuru]

I think they tried this already..wasn't it called the WAC?

In 1996, the WAC expanded again, adding six schools to its ranks for a total of sixteen. Rice, TCU, and SMU joined the league from the Southwest Conference, which had disbanded. Big West Conference members San Jose State and UNLV were also admitted, as well as Tulsa from the Missouri Valley Conference.^[9] With the expansion, the WAC was divided into two divisions.
To help in organizing schedules and travel for the farflung league, the members were divided into four quadrants of four teams each, as follows:^[9]

Quadrant 1	Quadrant 2	Quadrant 3	Quadrant 4
Hawaiʻi	UNLV	BYU	Tulsa
Fresno State	Air Force	Utah	TCU
San Diego State	Colorado State	New Mexico	SMU
San Jose State	Wyoming	UTEP	Rice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western...C_in_the_2000s

[Ksyrup]

Big 12 finally released their schedule. This is interesting.

@davidubben: Texas on Nov. 17: Open date. Texas A&M on Nov. 17: Open date. Juuuuuuuust sayin', guys.

[cartman]

Texas has a fun slate to open conference play:

at OSU
vs. WVU
Red River Shootout

[Ksyrup]

Chip Brown @ChipBrownOB
I was just told the Texas-TCU game is definitely moving from Nov. 24 to Thanksgiving this year.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

These two statements totally contradict each other. If neither the current MWC and CUSA conferences are close to BCS, how can something much less than that but closer??

I guess in theory, the champion of a MWC/CUSA (which also includes a lot of former WAC members) would be more qualified than the champion of any of those three conference individually, maybe even if you account for defections. If the best teams in the non-BCS schools all got together, the champion of that group is going to be more qualified than the Big East champion most years, and the ACC champion some years. And the Big East is weaker than it was.

I think it's smart to be as big as possible after the conference movement we've seen the last few years. It makes no sense to be only at your ideal conference size if you can be poached at any moment.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Big 12 finally released their schedule. This is interesting.

@davidubben: Texas on Nov. 17: Open date. Texas A&M on Nov. 17: Open date. Juuuuuuuust sayin', guys.

KU and MU are currently the same way which has sparked similar conversations.

[dfisher]

Temple to Big East?

The merry-go-round continues.

[Solecismic]

The merger seems more about packaging television rights than it does to serve as a conduit into a BCS game.

The more games, the more risk. Especially when you're playing better teams.

Look at Houston this past season. After 12 games, the Cougars would have been an auto-invite to a BCS bowl. But because Conference USA has 12 teams and a championship game, they had to play another game. Which they lost, and that meant no BCS berths for Conference USA.

This mega-conference will only improve the quality of that last opponent, meaning more risk of a top-ten team that hasn't been vetted (like Houston) losing at the end.

The mid-majors have to take advantage of the system - that advantage is a good team has a much easier path to the BCS. The disadvantage is that one loss and you're out.

I'm sure they're realists out there, so this is solely about offering a more complete package to ESPN.

[cartman]

SEC already getting buyer's remorse?

SEC Football: Did the Conference Make a Mistake with Missouri? | Bleacher Report

[Ksyrup]

Buyer's remorse? That article is one writer's opinion and nothing more. There's not a stitch of actual reporting, just an "in my opinion" essay. He might be right but there's nothing in that article that suggests anyone in the SEC believes that.

[cartman]

I'm just asking questions here, not making any statements. You'll see questions like this, and many more, in a book I'm writing with world famous author Erich von Daniken titled "Chariots of the Conference Realignment Gods?".

In the book, we'll also tackle such things as:

"Is the BCS Crystal trophy some kind of anti-matter fuel? There is much evidence that Huntsville, AL is a center of rocketry, and there is evidence that the BCS trophies on display at Alabama are replicas. The leads to the question, where are the real trophies?"

"If you draw a map connecting all of the new members of the Big East, it strangely mirrors the constellation Triangulum Australe. What did the ancients know about this coast-to-coast realignment?"

Look for the book to come out this summer!

[cartman]

Big 12 exit fees for Mizzou and A&M are announced. $12.41 million per school.

Big 12 imposes Missouri Tigers, Texas A&M Aggies exit buyout of $12.41 million - ESPN

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Big 12 exit fees for Mizzou and A&M are announced. $12.41 million per school.

Big 12 imposes Missouri Tigers, Texas A&M Aggies exit buyout of $12.41 million - ESPN

Per the usual, the rumored huge buyout fees end up being pretty overinflated. I'm sure the leaders of both schools are very pleased with that result.

[cartman]

This:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Per the usual, the rumored huge buyout fees end up being pretty overinflated. I'm sure the leaders of both schools are very pleased with that result.

Does not jive with this:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Couple more things I heard from a friend of the Kroenke family today.

1. Buyout for Mizzou will end up being around $5M. Kroenke family has already told Mizzou that they will cut a check for the full amount of any buyout.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

This:

Does not jive with this:

Regardless of what I heard, the buyout amount is very reasonable. Rumored amounts amongst the media were as much as $25M (which is what I was referencing in my post that things were overinflated).

It also represents an amount that is $12.41M more than the Longhorn Network will be making in ten years.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It also represents an amount that is $12.41M more than the Longhorn Network will be making in ten years.

It is also $12.41M more than Mizzou will see from ticket sales in the Border War. Kinda silly to be so scared of something that you think won't be around in 10 years that you bail out of the conference.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

It is also $12.41M more than Mizzou will see from ticket sales in the Border War. Kinda silly to be so scared of something that you think won't be around in 10 years that you bail out of the conference.

Or to single-handedly dismantle two conferences in 15 years for something that won't be around in ten years.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Or to single-handedly dismantle two conferences in 15 years for something that won't be around in ten years.

You sure do have an interesting definition for 'single-handedly'. Not to mention that the Big 12 is far from done. It is doing quite well in fact.

[cartman]

Dola, there was an interesting note in the news about the buyouts. Evidently A&M is going to receive something from the 13 year/$90 mil per year Big 12 TV deal with Fox Sports that starts on July 1st while Mizzou waived any rights to receive anything from the deal. I'll be interested in hearing more about that.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Dola, there was an interesting note in the news about the buyouts. Evidently A&M is going to receive something from the 13 year/$90 mil per year Big 12 TV deal with Fox Sports that starts on July 1st while Mizzou waived any rights to receive anything from the deal. I'll be interested in hearing more about that.

Big 12 exit fees set for A&M, Mizzou and they're not that bad | MrSEC

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Mizzou sent out a survey to all Tiger Scholarship Fund donors today. Survey is for getting feedback for the upcoming renovation/expansion of the football stadium. Exciting times at Mizzou. Can't wait to see the full list of proposed changes. The survey questions indicate that they're looking to make some very big changes.

[Logan]

This isn't the Stadium Expansion thread.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

This isn't the Stadium Expansion thread.

But it is the 'schools suddenly have sh%#-tons of money thanks to their conference move so now they can build a better stadium' thread, albeit a slight variant of that title.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

But it is the 'schools suddenly have sh%#-tons of money thanks to their conference move so now they can build a better stadium' thread, albeit a slight variant of that title.

If they have a shit ton of money, why ask donors for cash?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Chubby

If they have a shit ton of money, why ask donors for cash?

They didn't have to. The donors tossed it over as soon as the move was complete. To the tune of $200M thus far.

[cartman]

Sounds like the changes are going to be modest.

Mizzou mulls stadium expansion

But there's no way you'd wildly overstate things, right?

[cartman]

With those aforementioned stadium plans being in the $40 million range, and you reporting $200 million in donations already given, something doesn't add up. Why then is Mizzou raising ticket and parking prices across the board?

A Letter to Tiger Nation - MUTIGERS.COM - The University of Missouri Official Athletic Site

Here's what you said before:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Couple more things I heard from a friend of the Kroenke family today.

1. Buyout for Mizzou will end up being around $5M. Kroenke family has already told Mizzou that they will cut a check for the full amount of any buyout.

2. Checks for $50M were cut today by Mizzou alumni for beginning stages of football stadium expansion. Another $110M on top of that amount is pledged and forthcoming to complete latter stages of a football stadium expansion. All $160M was contingent on MU moving to the SEC.

The buyout amount has already been proven wrong. Now you are saying it isn't $160 million, but now $200 million?

[Logan]

In finance, M stands for thousand...so maybe there's been $200 thousand raised.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

With those aforementioned stadium plans being in the $40 million range, and you reporting $200 million in donations already given, something doesn't add up. Why then is Mizzou raising ticket and parking prices across the board?

A Letter to Tiger Nation - MUTIGERS.COM - The University of Missouri Official Athletic Site

Here's what you said before:

The buyout amount has already been proven wrong. Now you are saying it isn't $160 million, but now $200 million?

Feel free to disagree. The 'Big Six' donors have pledged 200M.

As for parking and ticket prices, a raise was a given. We're in the premier football conference in the nation now. The prices are rising because we're on a different playing field now. The donors are taking care of the facility expansions (of which the football stadium is only a portion) and the buyout fees.

Originally Posted by cartman

Sounds like the changes are going to be modest.

Mizzou mulls stadium expansion

But there's no way you'd wildly overstate things, right?

That article is a few months old. They are planning to add stadium seats in addition thanks to the extra donor money.

[Chubby]

I think he meant 200 BILLION DOLLARS!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I think he meant 200 BILLION DOLLARS!

If anything, I think cartman's obsession with all things Mizzou has made it perfectly clear what effect the Longhorn Network is having in Texas. People in the state of Texas are watching more Mizzou games on national TV because they can't even watch the UT games in their own states. And with the SEC/ESPN deal, they'll see even more of Mizzou next year. It's a win-win for Texas residents IMO.

[cartman]

Seriously, how deep is your BS well? You seem to have a never-ending stream of it to share.