WW LXIX - Battlestar WereWolf - GAME OVER CYLONS WIN!

[RendeR]

The night goes by semi-quietly. There was a report of a disturbance on board Colonial One but it appears that security handled it. Then the news comes up:

"We now have breaking news to report! The body of Chief petty Officer Galon Tyrol was found dead today on Kobol. his head twisted so far around as to be facing the wrong direction. No perpetrator has yet been found and Colonial forces are launching an investigation but no leads have yet come up."

barkeep49, Chief Tyrol, the Assassin, is dead. (HUMAN)

[st.cronin]

I was on Peg too, didn't see anything or anybody.

[The Jackal]

Ditto, I didn't see you either.

And that sucks about BK.

[PurdueBrad]

Alright, big news.

Path12 is a cylon.
I am the seer.

To verify, I can clear these people:
Day 1: Jackal is Thomas Zarek, former terrorist (see post 618 for my groundwork) and human. Verify Jackal?

Day 2: Pass is Colonial Warrior see posts 459 (warrior reference) and 486 (colonial reference).

Day 3: Path12- Cylon

My role is Elosha, the Preistess of Kobol.

Vote Path12

[RendeR]

I'm out till tomorrow afternoon folks, PM me any questions or problems and I'll get to them as soon as I can.

[PurdueBrad]

Oh yeah, and freakin' finally, I found me a wolf/cylon!

[The Jackal]

That's right, PB, I am Thomas.

This raises some interesting questions about heinz, too.

VOTE PATH12

[st.cronin]

Wish you had sat on that for a while, PB. I was leaning towards voting for path anyway today, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wish you had sat on that for a while, PB. I was leaning towards voting for path anyway today, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Cronin, I thought about it but losing Pass to verify me hurt because I wasn't sure Jackal would pick up the reference and verify PLUS I was laying it on a bit thick. I figure we'll take the one for one trade and see what we can do.

[The Jackal]

And I thought you were saying Thomas was a terrorist, I get it now.

I honestly don't know enough about the historic jackal, but my name is as much based on the wily nature of the creature as it is on bruce willis' performance in the movie that I imagine was based on the terrorist jackal.

[PurdueBrad]

Plus there has been a bit of an effort to vote for Jackal which I didn't want to see him go wrongly, although I guess I could've sprung it then. My fear was that he would be the only verifier I have and if I revealed to save him, that would look odd/bad.

[The Jackal]

Or wait, I'll admit I havent done any research on my character, was he a terrorist on the show or something? (I didnt do any research so as not to sway my voting because Ive never seen the show and didnt want to base theories off wiki).

[The Jackal]

Plus I plan on watching the show and want to go in fresh.

I think I might just be confusing myself, PB. By pick up on the hint did you just mean the fact that you said you trusted me?

[The Jackal]

I sort of agree with you cronin, but with only ten people left and only one cylon down I don't mind PB revealing at this point. I guess I'm biased though since he cleared me in the process.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm looking at Sonic Youth or Jeheinz for the next night. Based on voting trends only, rather than anything else.

[nfg22]

I can confirm I know Heinz is a wolf now. My night actions have pointed it so.

[nfg22]

VOTE PATH12

[st.cronin]

PB, why did you vote me yesterday? I still don't get that. Generally the seer votes for the person he plans to scan, if he hasn't revealed yet.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm looking at Sonic Youth or Jeheinz for the next night. Based on voting trends only, rather than anything else.

Heinz pops into question because path "cleared" him, though if they are both cylons that was risky.

SY is still not high on my list because of our shared commendation that night, but I guess a cylon could've done that.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by nfg22

I can confirm I know Heinz is a wolf now. My night actions have pointed it so.

Well then, we might have two candidates in a row.

[PurdueBrad]

nfg goes wolf on Heinz, I got wolf on Path12 which would knock out three. That may leave one plus, and I hate to say it, I'm still concerned about the attack on Narcizio by Claph as a potential conversion but I wouldn't think that the suicide bomber (brutal wolf) would've had conversion abilities either but if we have another wolf after this, we have to consider that as a possibility.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by nfg22

I can confirm I know Heinz is a wolf now. My night actions have pointed it so.

??? Expand on this?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

PB, why did you vote me yesterday? I still don't get that. Generally the seer votes for the person he plans to scan, if he hasn't revealed yet.

Cronin, I thought honestly that the vote would carry on you so I went with Path12 as my main and you as my conditional if it went the other way. Plus, frankly and honestly, I still have not quite figured out the best way to play seer. It never really occured to me to scan the person I vote, I went with the two birds theory. I cast my vote one way to watch what happens and maybe lynch and then still research another character.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Cronin, I thought honestly that the vote would carry on you so I went with Path12 as my main and you as my conditional if it went the other way. Plus, frankly and honestly, I still have not quite figured out the best way to play seer. It never really occured to me to scan the person I vote, I went with the two birds theory. I cast my vote one way to watch what happens and maybe lynch and then still research another character.

Ok, I guess I get that.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

??? Expand on this?

Good question, sorry, got caught up in the wave of good luck!

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, I guess I get that.

In all honesty and I hope this doesn't sound sarcastic, but I would actually like to discuss, after this game with a few people, exactly the best way to play the seer role.

[The Jackal]

Yeah nfg you might want to expand before Heinz gets a chance to react, he's pretty good at making stuff up as a wolf.

[st.cronin]

There are two cryptic claims that I would like to see expanded upon:

Narcizo claims nfg22 is human.
Nfg22 claims heinz is cylon.

Neither claim was backed by anything, as far as I can tell.

[PurdueBrad]

Cronin, I just saw the bump and greatly appreciated. It never dawned on me that there was a thread out there. Thanks a lot.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Cronin, I just saw the bump and greatly appreciated. It never dawned on me that there was a thread out there. Thanks a lot.

Would love to see that thread grow, I think it would be a great resource.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Would love to see that thread grow, I think it would be a great resource.

Agree and as I play more and become better, I would like to be able to add to it myself. I do kind of agree with Hoops' thoughts in there, about going gut early, especially paired with Alan's idea of trying to scan those that are likely to make it through the first couple days. I didn't really take potential longevity into account.

[PurdueBrad]

Alright, I'm out for the night I think (maybe one more late night stop by but that's all). Good luck into tomorrow!

[path12]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

To verify, I can clear these people:
Day 1: Jackal is Thomas Zarek, former terrorist (see post 618 for my groundwork) and human. Verify Jackal?

Day 2: Pass is Colonial Warrior see posts 459 (warrior reference) and 486 (colonial reference).

Day 3: Path12- Cylon

What, I don't even get a name? Just Cylon? That is disrespect.

[Sonic Youth]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm looking at Sonic Youth or Jeheinz for the next night. Based on voting trends only, rather than anything else.

And you'd be wasting your time with me, I'm human. Granted I messed up with my vote last night, but I think it revealed something that I wish you hadn't have, Path is what Narcizo was saying as his vote clinched it. And who I'm voting for tonight.

Vote path12.

[nfg22]

Basically I watched Heinz doing some suspicious activity in my night action. I dont want to elaborate further because it might affect what I want to do with a certain item I found.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alright, big news.

Path12 is a cylon.
I am the seer.

To verify, I can clear these people:
Day 1: Jackal is Thomas Zarek, former terrorist (see post 618 for my groundwork) and human. Verify Jackal?

Day 2: Pass is Colonial Warrior see posts 459 (warrior reference) and 486 (colonial reference).

Day 3: Path12- Cylon

My role is Elosha, the Preistess of Kobol.

Vote Path12

This is unbe-*expletitive deleted*-lieveable.

Well done team. How much evidence did you need to vote for path last night? Now we have had to have a seer reveal to show us what was probably the clearest case against anyone without a reveal coming out.

VOTE PATH

I think we have quite a lot to work with now. And hopefully the numbers should be really in our favour now.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

There are two cryptic claims that I would like to see expanded upon:

Narcizo claims nfg22 is human.
Nfg22 claims heinz is cylon.

Neither claim was backed by anything, as far as I can tell.

Well. My claim is backed up by the fact that I'm clearly a villager (led the run against clap on day one, tried very hard to get a lynch on path yesterday, cleared by a known villager, that sort of thing) and the fact that I'm telling everyone that I saw a recent medical scan that showed that NFG was 100% human. Without quoting the PM I can't really be more detailed than that.

NFG's scan sounds a bit less equivocable unless he goes into a bit more detail. But I'm, obviously, inclined to believe him.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Heinz pops into question because path "cleared" him, though if they are both cylons that was risky.

SY is still not high on my list because of our shared commendation that night, but I guess a cylon could've done that.

I'd completely ignore the commendation - it would be a lovely way for a cylon to gain trust. I'm much more swayed by the fact that he switched from a no lynch to clap on day one. I just can't see a cylon doing that - it would be crazy to risk one of their own for such little gain when he could easily have left his vote on No Lynch.

[Sonic Youth]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

UNVOTE PURDUEBRAD
VOTE GREYROOFOO

Why did you chose Greyroofoo?

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Basically I watched Heinz doing some suspicious activity in my night action. I dont want to elaborate further because it might affect what I want to do with a certain item I found.

I believe you're a human (barring a conversion since my scan). But this does seem fairly vague and doesn't really tally with your expressed certainty that heinz is a cylon. I think it's important that you're positive that heinz is cylon. If you are certain then PB can look elsewhere with his scan tonight.

I'd be interested in hearing if heinz can shed any light on this as well. His comments along the lines that "path is a baddy I tolds ya! But I'm going to vote for someone else anyway" seemed very suspicious to me. Mitigating this is the fact that path vouched for heinz. I've a hard time seeing a cylon vouching for another cylon at that stage. Much more sensible to vouch for a human to a) buy some trust and b) implicate them should you show up as cylon. Of course there's the double-bluff argument etc etc.

[Narcizo]

Render - the first page player list and the game title could probably stand a bit of updating.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alright, big news.

Path12 is a cylon.
I am the seer.

Woot! Nice one PB!

[jeheinz72]

Vote path12

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

This raises some interesting questions about heinz, too.

Questions?

Dude I was all over Path as a wolf, even posted and voted for him Day 2. Voted for him Day 3 as well until he was able to nail my actual gender. I figured at that point he was the Seer and scanned me due to voting for him Day 2.

The only reason I laid off on him was that he said my gender, which I hadn't mentioned. I figured while the wolves of course know I"m a villager, they wouldn't know my actual role and character (which apparently is/was incorrect). Hence why if you read back, I basically do a quick U-ey on him and completely lay off.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm looking at Sonic Youth or Jeheinz for the next night. Based on voting trends only, rather than anything else.

I'd implore you to scan me, I'm not in any way a Cylon. Hopefully there is some method for you to still live to get said scan.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by nfg22

I can confirm I know Heinz is a wolf now. My night actions have pointed it so.

Huh? I'd be interested in hearing more on this. I'm not a wolf. I'll divulge my role shortly, possibly that is what is making things strange.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Heinz pops into question because path "cleared" him, though if they are both cylons that was risky.

Yeah, c'mon dude. I mean this isn't amateur hour. If Path and I were both wolves, why would I be on him THAT much (2 days worth), vote for him TWICE and then he lamely "clears" me. If we were both wolves that would be one of the least convincing "plays" imaginable.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Basically I watched Heinz doing some suspicious activity in my night action. I dont want to elaborate further because it might affect what I want to do with a certain item I found.

I'll tell you exactly what you saw. I am basically, a Spy.

Last night my guess is you saw me tailing Sonic Youth as he repaired his Viper fighter and launched it to go onto patrol. I can also clear Sonic's character (though not his allegience).

Sonic -- your character name begins with an "A", does it not?

Here are my previous night actions:

Night 1: I chose Pass, his play just struck me as off and I knew he'd be active, so I tailed him. I followed as he went onto Cloud 9 (which he confirmed). I also saw he was wearing a Warrior uniform (hence no additional prodding by me)

Night 2: I chose Narcizo, since he was active and I wanted to know more. I saw Claphamsa attack him and Pass save Narcizo, with clap barely escaping. I know this isn't any "new" information, but it was already posted by the time I got in yesterday, not much I can do about that.

If it helps any, and I don't think it really does, I also have a Clue about Earth.

I'm open to any and all questions about my night activities, I'm not a Cylon and welcome/implore a scan. I'm a bit taken aback, since I was believing (still do, really) Narcizo's claim about nfg being a Human. I just don't know if nfg is mistaking my spying as a wolf-ish action or what the deal is.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Point 1: I'd be interested in hearing if heinz can shed any light on this as well. His comments along the lines that "path is a baddy I tolds ya! But I'm going to vote for someone else anyway" seemed very suspicious to me.

Point 2: Mitigating this is the fact that path vouched for heinz. I've a hard time seeing a cylon vouching for another cylon at that stage. Much more sensible to vouch for a human to a) buy some trust and b) implicate them should you show up as cylon. Of course there's the double-bluff argument etc etc.

Septola.

I've separated this out into 2 "points"

On point one, let's clear this up right now. I didn't accuse and run like your quote makes it out. On Day 2 (post 272) I voted path. I stayed on him throughout Day Two going back and forth with he and Pass regarding how he saw both of us when we only saw each other on Cloud Nine. My vote stayed on him all day. On Day 3, I posted the list of the 3 people I suspected at the time #552), and even still went after path (556, 561 and a vote in 563). He then voted for me and said I'm not pure, but he also said I'm a "her", which correct. My assumption then was that only the Seer would know this, hence my "huh?" in reply to when he initially called me a "His". If he had stuck with that, I was going to reveal I'm a "her" and nail him to the wall. Then you see me unvote him once I see the "her" post. I then unvote and move on, not wanting to cast any more light onto who I thought was a probable Seer at the time. Is this not a pretty reasonable action/reaction?

On point two, yes there is the double-bluff, but c'mon would we really, in a game where there are likely AT MOST 4 wolves, with one already gone, really risk basically giving one more of up for the sake of semi-clearing the other? That's terrible risk/reward if I was a wolf, it'd be an idiotic ploy. It's obvious (to me at the least) that all this "pure heart" business was that I was the villager he thought he could get lynched easiest yesterday, so he made a move to do so.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I saw a recent medical scan that showed that NFG was 100% human.

This is all I was looking for, thanks.