Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry - my reasoning was sound though...and somebody had to get lynched.

i feel bad...never like to lynch a villager. wishes everyone could stay alive all game

[Thomkal]

OOF we're not off to a great start. That ability really could have come in handy.

[Tyrith]

My gut is to vote for CR at this point. I think we should take the standard kill out of the D1 KWhit voters.

[BrianD]

I'm really curious why DT pushed us all toward KWhit? As soon as practical, I'd like to know what you thought you knew.

For the voting record, I did not have an active vote for PerdueBrad at lynch time. The official count showed my vote for him as well as for KWhit.

[Autumn]

Given that it was DT (no offense intended) who started the run on KWhit, I'm not sure that the KWhit voters will tell us much. Perhaps if Purdue or NTN is a wolf, that would, but otherwise the clear force behind KWhit's lynch was DT, and nobody could have foreseen that.

I think it's good to throw a candidate out there though and see what Chief has to say. I'm more curious about EagleFan who still hasn't reappeared. I assumed he was thrown in jail or some such, knocked out, interrogated.

[nfg22]

hmmm...DT...hard loss but I follow on faithfully. That ability is really only good if we find a wolf...then it doenst even matter much because it lasts for fifteen minutes....thats a short window.

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, I am curious about Eaglefan too. Maybe when he reappears he can give us a clue. Didn't the lynch writeup say something about agents going to a hospital? Could it be Eaglefan?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think day 2 starts immediately. I don't know what that means about night kills though.

The thread title still says day 1. The lynch time is reset but I would be surprised if there was no night kill before we had another chance to lynch.

[nfg22]

I think the day will reset at 9 cst

[henry296]

Originally Posted by JAG

I don't feel great about this, but Jack seems to want it and I gotta go with him.

Unvote ntndeacon
Vote KWhit

So I'm assuming that b/c BK said the lynch was at 7:58 CST, this vote didn't count. Is that correct or is a system clock issue and this was vote #10?

[JAG]

Well hell, now it says day 2, nevermind.

[henry296]

I think the thread title will change after the night kill, but the next 23 hour mark is based on the time so it will be at 8:06 EST after Barkeep finished the write-up.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by henry296

So I'm assuming that b/c BK said the lynch was at 7:58 CST, this vote didn't count. Is that correct or is a system clock issue and this was vote #10?

I imagine it's correct, that any votes after the lynch time of 7:58pm CST did not count. Looking at the final vote tally in Barkeep's post, my vote was given on ntndeacon so that seems confirmed actually.

[henry296]

Thoughts on the Day

1. EagleFan - I will be interested to see when he comes back what happened. My theory is that some has a day action that impacted him, but I would be sure that it was a conspirator, perhaps a special ability with Jack Bauer.

2. Availability - Ended up working later than normal and didn't get on until around 9 PM EST. Hopefully as the lynch times move, it will allow me to get a vote in the middle of a "day". As for today, I would've lynched Kwhit too.

[henry296]

The lynch happend 22 hours and 58 minutes after the start of the day with only 9 of 22 total votes and 9 of 24 possible votes.

I wonder if someone gets too votes and I think Alan T referenced, let me find it.

[Autumn]

Man, this thing is giving me a headache. Okay, so it's day 2, we survived a day without a wolf kill, unless this EagleFan thing was their kill or action. Or maybe we got a block, i don't know. Good deal if we get a day in without them killing anyone though, even if we did off a villager.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by henry296

The lynch happend 22 hours and 58 minutes after the start of the day with only 9 of 22 total votes and 9 of 24 possible votes.

I wonder if someone gets too votes and I think Alan T referenced, let me find it.

But it seemed important that it was at the 58 minute mark. I wonder if the mods had the day starting two minutes earlier than that.

I suppose it could be possible that there's a voting thing going on too, Alan was seemingly referencing something cryptic.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by BrianD

I'm really curious why DT pushed us all toward KWhit? As soon as practical, I'd like to know what you thought you knew.

For the voting record, I did not have an active vote for PerdueBrad at lynch time. The official count showed my vote for him as well as for KWhit.

I referenced earlier that based on PM's that people had sent to me I had 3 suspects. KWhit was one of them. There was another choice besides KWhit (as you can see from my talking it thru earlier) and i am happy to go that way tomorrow, but I don't want to dominate discussion completely, I'd like to see what thoughts others have on the subject of who to go after.

[henry296]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm not going to go into specifics, but we're at 40% on Kwhit at this point and it was not enough yet. I know there are only 9 votes, but you'll just have to trust me on this one.

I'm only saying this so we don't have issues trying to do the math later on this. My guess is at 9pm ET we hit the 40% mark. I'll be interested to see if he gets lynched at 9 without any votes moving to him.

This is Alan T's post I referenced. He mentioned 9 votes but more than 40% which isn't true unless perhaps someone's votes could count twice?

I'm still very confused why the lunch was before the 23 hour mark unless it is based on votes cast and not total available.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Man, this thing is giving me a headache. Okay, so it's day 2, we survived a day without a wolf kill, unless this EagleFan thing was their kill or action. Or maybe we got a block, i don't know. Good deal if we get a day in without them killing anyone though, even if we did off a villager.

EF is okay.

[henry296]

Originally Posted by JAG

I imagine it's correct, that any votes after the lynch time of 7:58pm CST did not count. Looking at the final vote tally in Barkeep's post, my vote was given on ntndeacon so that seems confirmed actually.

I should've known to look at the official vote tally... sorry for asking.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by nfg22

hmmm...DT...hard loss but I follow on faithfully. That ability is really only good if we find a wolf...then it doenst even matter much because it lasts for fifteen minutes....thats a short window.

yeah

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

EF is okay.

Do you know what happened to him then? Or rather was it the result of bad guys or good guys?

[Autumn]

I'm out for a while, possibly the night.

[Barkeep49]

Just to clarify as I created some confusion, the lynch was recorded as officially happening exactly 23 hours after the start of the game.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Do you know what happened to him then? Or rather was it the result of bad guys or good guys?

The fact that DT mentioned he was unconcerned about him disappearing earlier today and that he continues to say he's ok leads me to believe that it's related to EF's or someone else's power that PMed DT and said they would target EF. I don't think speculation about this will be useful at this point, DT presumably knows and if it's advantageous for us to know he'll tell us. Let's see what happens when EF returns.

[henry296]

Thanks for clarifying... some one Kwhit then had 2 votes to hit the 40% mark.

[henry296]

Just double checked and Day 0 ended at 9:59 last night so that explains the confusion.

[The Jackal]

Just checked in, sorry to see you go KWhit. I'll see what happens tonight before making any choices, but I don't have much to add at this point.

[hoopsguy]

Moderator switch - I'm around for the next couple of hours, BK should be back to hang with all the real night owls later tonight.

[kingfc22]

DAY 1 FINAL



Eaglefan 1 – BrianD (292)
Path 1 – nfg22 (305)
Jackal 1 – PB (328)
BrianD 1 – Pass (330)
Ntn 1 – Jag (332)
PB 1 – Eaglefan (334)
Jackal 2 – Saldana (343)
Path 2 – Tyrith (347)
UNVOTE Eaglefan 0 – BrianD (358)
Ntn 2 – Path (360)
PB 2 – Jackal (366)
Jackal 3 – Brian D (370)
Ntn 3 – Daddy Torgo (371)
UNVOTE PB 1 – Jackal (374)
Ntn 4 – Jackal (374)
UNVOTE Path 1 – Tyrith (388)
Jackal 4 – Tyrith (388)
Ntn 5 – Alan (389)
Ntn 6 – Kwhit (390)
Jackal 5 – Telle (391)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – Telle (411)
PB 2 – Telle (411)
Ntn 7 – Kingfc (425)
Jackal 5 – Ntn (431)
UNVOTE path 0 – nfg22 (439)
Ntn 8 – nfg22 (439)
Ntn 9 – Thomkal (441)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – BrianD (443)
PB 3 – BrianD (443)
Jackal 5 – claphamsa (453)
PB 4 – Autumn (459)
UNVOTE ntn 8 – Daddy Torgo (463)
PB 5 – Isiddiqui (471)
UNVOTE ntn 7 – Alan (474)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – ntn (475)
Kwhit 1 – ntn (475)
UNVOTE ntn 6 – nfg22 (482)
Kwhit 2 – nfg22 (482)
UNVOTE ntn 5 – path (496)
UNVOTE Jackal 3 – saldana (501)
PB 6 – saldana (501)
UNVOTE Jackal 2 – PB (511)
UNVOTE Jackal 1 – Tyrith (514)
Ntn 6 – Tyrith (514)
Ntn 7 – PB (517)
Ntn 8 – Schmidty (537)
PB 7 – path (546)
UNVOTE KWhit 1 – ntn (560)
PB 8 – ntn (560)
KWhit 2 – Chief (565)
UNVOTE PB 7 – BrianD (579)
KWhit 3 – BrianD (579)
UNVOTE PB 6 – autumn (581)
KWhit 4 – autumn (581)
KWhit 5 – Daddy Torgo (596)
UNVOTE PB 5 – Telle (598)
KWhit 6 – Telle (598)
UNVOTE PB 4 - ISiddiqui (599)
KWhit 7 – Isiddiqui (599)
KWhit 8 – Alan (600)
UNVOTE ntn 7 – PB (602)
KWhit 9 – PB (602)




I have some suspicions on a few that jumped on board the KWhit train, but I'll keep it in for now.

[Danny]

I'm not really sure it's 100% necessary to wait for night kills. What I am curious about is if the removal of EF perhaps was a wolf action which counted as a night action. Perhaps EF has an ability to turn the kill into that or something else.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by path12

Is it me or is it a really odd thing for Chief to throwaway a day 1 vote? Between that and something else he said earlier (I'll have to go find it but it was about not speculating or something like that...un-Chieflike) he's gotten himself on my radar.

It IS really odd for me to do a throwaway vote--because usually I have time to do a legit vote. I admitted in making the vote and re-iterate it here that my schedule has been hellish the past couple days, and I pretty much had to make a throwaway vote to get a vote in at all.

Thus far, I posted a time or two Sunday night, when I had some time, about some things we might need to address from the mechanics (this was fresh at game start), and then real life kicked my ass, and I was only to get in a passing post last night after getting home late from work. And then the post you have above, my last prior to this one here.

I would like to see any thoughts you have on what I might have said earlier, to put things to rest, if for no other reason.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

this is not a bad vote

Hmm, while I appreciate the vote of confidence, obviously this did not turn out well. It just goes to show how much a crapshoot Day One is, in any game. I said before I had no reason for the vote on KWhit except to put up a third candidate. I was certain the village would follow through with an ntndeacon or PurdueBrad, neither of whom I felt too bad about in my quick skim of the thread to that point. Color me surprised to return here and find that this proclamation above essentially sealed KWhit's doom and made me look a bit like an ass.

[ntndeacon]

I am sorry Kwhit for making you the subject of speculation. I still thought it was a good strategy to really look at those that got on board getting me out, as I could be viewed as an easy target. Even though I changed my vote from you, I was still thinking ill of you. I just assumed that couldn't happen that fast.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Vote Chief Rum

I know no kill has happened, but I want to get a vote in soon this time since I feel bad for missing it.

Danny, could you clarify what it is you find suspicious about me? Is it just regurgitating what path said? Given how nutty my schedule has been, I figure if people want to come at me with suspicions, now is the time to do so, since I am around. No promises I will be around tomorrow (in fact, I can promise much the same mid-day participation as today, i.e. little to none).

Or we can wait until midnight and chat while everyone's sleeping.

[Autumn]

It seems like DT has the best candidates for the next lynch, his next two suspects. I think he probably has more to go on than any of us. I'd like to hear who the "36 hour" candidate is and then go from there. Or the programmer person.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I am sorry Kwhit for making you the subject of speculation. I still thought it was a good strategy to really look at those that got on board getting me out, as I could be viewed as an easy target. Even though I changed my vote from you, I was still thinking ill of you. I just assumed that couldn't happen that fast.

It is because it always seems to be the same o, same o sorta reasoning on you that I stayed away from you myself and went with KWhit. I rejected the reasons to vote for you as the usual BS, and as unlikely to produce a wolf as anyone, so I went for a much less likely target (at the time; I think my KWhit vote was only #2 on him or something like that).

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

My gut is to vote for CR at this point. I think we should take the standard kill out of the D1 KWhit voters.

But of all the KWhit voters why me? Even DT got this one wrong, and you know he's good. I can see the logic in going after KWhit voters, but I would look at the ones with votes after DT. After all, what's safer than to throw a vote out against a villager (as they would have known) after the most trusted guy in the game basically said, "Yeah, he's one!"

When I made my vote, KWhit was in no danger at all.

[Autumn]

Poor Chief, always debating with his self.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Poor Chief, always debating with his self.

Heh...this usually happens late at night, but I expect the silence then!

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

But of all the KWhit voters why me? Even DT got this one wrong, and you know he's good. I can see the logic in going after KWhit voters, but I would look at the ones with votes after DT. After all, what's safer than to throw a vote out against a villager (as they would have known) after the most trusted guy in the game basically said, "Yeah, he's one!"

When I made my vote, KWhit was in no danger at all.

Gut, more or less - seemed like you made the biggest point. But that makes no sense as a wolf move, though, so I will actually probably go along with you and vote for someone after DT.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Heh...this usually happens late at night, but I expect the silence then!

Hey, this is pretty late. For some of us.

[henry296]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

But of all the KWhit voters why me? Even DT got this one wrong, and you know he's good. I can see the logic in going after KWhit voters, but I would look at the ones with votes after DT. After all, what's safer than to throw a vote out against a villager (as they would have known) after the most trusted guy in the game basically said, "Yeah, he's one!"

When I made my vote, KWhit was in no danger at all.

Chief - I agree with you that your votes does not appear suspicious. The suspicious votes appear to be those that came later. Perhaps Telle or Isiddiqui who votes immediately after DT.

[Autumn]

Well, in their defense I did the same. given the option of voting for ntn or purdue, neither of whom were being lynched for any reason other than that they were the first vote getters on Day One, or voting for someone that DaddyT was encouraging us to vote for, that was an easy choice. DT didn't end up having any goods on him, but he still had a better reason to target someone than any of us had and I can't really see faulting anyone for following his lead.

If we find that NTN or purdue is bad, then we might have some voting record to go on.

[Tyrith]

Ugh, both halves of the argument are correct. The people after DT both knew they had an ironclad excuse and HAVE an ironclad excuse.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Ugh, both halves of the argument are correct. The people after DT both knew they had an ironclad excuse and HAVE an ironclad excuse.

lol...well put.

[Tyrith]

The only way what CR did makes sense from a wolf perspective is if both ntn and PB are wolves. Frankly, I think we should probably actually kill one of them and see if we can discern what's going on - not much better to do until we get some information developing.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

The only way what CR did makes sense from a wolf perspective is if both ntn and PB are wolves. Frankly, I think we should probably actually kill one of them and see if we can discern what's going on - not much better to do until we get some information developing.

I agree Tyrith, I'll probably vote one of them barring whatever DT reveals about his other suspects. It at least will tell us something.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hmm, while I appreciate the vote of confidence, obviously this did not turn out well. It just goes to show how much a crapshoot Day One is, in any game. I said before I had no reason for the vote on KWhit except to put up a third candidate. I was certain the village would follow through with an ntndeacon or PurdueBrad, neither of whom I felt too bad about in my quick skim of the thread to that point. Color me surprised to return here and find that this proclamation above essentially sealed KWhit's doom and made me look a bit like an ass.

I had my own reasons for the KWhit vote. It wasn't based on yours at all CR.