Back to the Future (Night 12 Deadline: Tuesday 10 PM EST)

[JAG]

Brit, not great but here you go

Originally Posted by JAG

Putting all voting info in one post so it's easy to reference and add to with today's info later on.

Day 1
mauchow 6 (9) - The Jackal (75), saldana (106), Zinto (147), GoldenEagle (161), fontisian (178), Autumn (181)
Schmidty 3 (6) - Autumn (69 unvote 181), Narcizo (111), britrock88 (116), DaddyTorgo (176)
Danny (3)
britrock88 2 - Chief Rum (132), murrayyyyy (136), fontisian (144 unvote 178)
DaddyTorgo 1 - JAG (90)
murrayyyyy 1 - KWhit (84), Zinto (127 unvote 147)
GoldenEagle 0 - britrock88 (56 unvote 116)
The Jackal 0 - fontisian (48 unvote 144), Narcizo (62 unvote 111)
saldana 0 - JAG (46 unvote 57)
Narcizo 0 - JAG (57 unvote 90)

Yet to vote: mauchow, Schmidty, Danny[/color]

Day 2
#211 07:29 JAG votes GoldenEagle (1)
#229 09:46 Autumn votes KWhit (1)
#234 10:11 Jackal votes GoldenEagle (2)
#251 12:15 murra5y votes Brit (1)
#259 12:47 Narcizo votes Chief (1)
#267 13:29 Britrock votes Schmidty (1)
#273 14:39 Mau votes GoldenEagle (3)
#288 15:54 Narcizo unvotes Chief (0) votes Brit (2)
#296 16:08 Autumn unvotes KWhit (0) votes Jackal (1)
#304 16:58 Chief votes Schmidty (2)

#313 19:16 Zinto votes Jackal (2)
#314 19:17 GoldenEagle votes Britrock (3)
#326 20:45 saldana votes GoldenEagle (4)
#331 20:54 KWhit votes Britrock (4)
#332 21:06 Font votes GoldenEagle (5)
#334 21:07 mau unvotes GoldenEagle (4) votes Britrock (5)
#338 21:13 Autumn unvotes Jackal (1) votes GoldenEagle (5)
#353 21:46 DaddyTorgo votes GoldenEagle (6)
#360 21:52 mau unvotes Brit (4) votes GoldenEagle (7)

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Final Totals

murrayyyyy 9 - The Jackal (418), Autumn (426), britrock88 (439), Danny (515), JAG (529), KWhit (565), DaddyTorgo (572), fontisian (575)
britrock88 4 - Narcizo (429), Zinto (472), Chief Rum (499)
fontisian 2 - mauchow (448), murrayyyyy (576)

[JAG]

Font, I don't think you're right about Jackal being a wolf. That's just based on experience playing with him.

[britrock88]

Thanks, JAG. Will look over this when I get a chance.

[fontisian]

Can you be get a bit more detailed into why you think that?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I understand looking for more from my posts, but I'm just not feeling anything specific when it comes to gut feelings or reading posts. I am much more about vote analysis than looking for clues in posts, anyway.

Because of the hidden nature of of the mechanics in this game, there being two non-village factions, the unknown element of the past-present-future, and also simply because we have had some slim participation from some, there is very little for me to analyze right now.

You might say to analyze the voting, but with no non-villagers killed yet, there is very little we can yet tell about those votes. I'm not yet willing to throw anyone under the bus with guesswork.

Frankly, though, even if I appear to be less forthcoming, I would argue my theories on the game mechanics have been more helpful and productive than the contributions of most of the game's players to this point.

That post sounds like you're ok just blindly voting then and leaving it up to chance without trying to find something that could point you to a wolf. You don't see anything at all to separate any players from each other? I mean, I admit I don't have an airtight case against you or anyone else or I would've sold it long ago, but I at least have tried to sort players out best I can based on the little info we have.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Can you be get a bit more detailed into why you think that?

I feel like he's usually not so bold as a wolf (opening vote on Murray yesterday, early 2nd vote on GE two days ago), more worried about trying to please all players and not screw up his team. I feel more like he's playing for himself the way he's been going.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by JAG

I feel like he's usually not so bold as a wolf (opening vote on Murray yesterday, early 2nd vote on GE two days ago), more worried about trying to please all players and not screw up his team. I feel more like he's playing for himself the way he's been going.

Ok. I'll do a re-read tonight with that in mind.

Truth be told, I'm still adjusting college and not paying near as much attention to this as I should be.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JAG

That post sounds like you're ok just blindly voting then and leaving it up to chance without trying to find something that could point you to a wolf. You don't see anything at all to separate any players from each other? I mean, I admit I don't have an airtight case against you or anyone else or I would've sold it long ago, but I at least have tried to sort players out best I can based on the little info we have.

In a situation like this, I believe trying to look for clues and hidden meanings is counter-productive. We have a void of information and we're looking to fill it with whatever we can find, regardless of how much it really applies to the allegiances of the players in question.

In situations like this, I will instead either look for suspicious vote patterns or I will allow the village to come to a consensus on the top candidates and then review those candidates specifically. Or I will vote for non-active players, such as Schmidty on Day -3.

So it's not a blind vote at all. But I don't feel strongly enough about what I have read so far to put a target on any individual player.

[britrock88]

418 10:56 Jackal votes Murray (1)
426 11:47 Autumn votes Murray (2)
429 12:46 Narcizo votes Brit (1)
435 13:42 Mau votes Murray (3)
436 14:15 Murray votes Brit (2)
439 14:27 Brit votes Murray (4)
448 16:27 Mau unvotes Murray (3), votes Font (1)
450 18:07 Murray unvotes Brit (1), votes Danny (1)
461 18:49 DT votes Mau (1)
472 19:11 Zinto votes Brit (2)
484 19:25 Danny votes Brit (3)
489 19:47 Font votes Jackal (1)
493 19:53 Danny unvotes Brit (2), votes Jackal (2)
499 19:56 Chief votes Brit (3)
501 19:58 Danny unvotes Jackal (1), votes Brit (4)
515 20:12 Danny unvotes Brit (3), votes Murray (4)
518 20:17 KWhit votes Brit (4)
529 20:33 JAG votes Murray (5)
538 20:46 Font unvotes Jackal (0), votes Brit (5)
542 20:47 Murray unvotes Danny (0), votes Brit (6)
559 20:52 DT unvotes Mau (0)
561 20:53 DT votes Brit (7)
565 20:53 KWhit unvotes Brit (6), votes Murray (6)
570 20:54 DT unvotes Brit (5)
572 20:54 DT votes Murray (7)
575 20:54 Font unvotes Brit (4), votes Murray (8)
576 20:55 Murray unvotes Brit (3), votes Font (2)

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Don't really have a lot of privileged information at this point, though I can say that I will be less powerful when we leap forward in time.

Do we need roads to where we are going?

If you're less powerful in future why would you send us there?

Or is that really your only choice is to go forward?

[mauchow]

I think I've got a good read on font this time around...

[britrock88]

D1

46 21:59 JAG votes Saldana (1)
48 22:06 Font votes Jackal (1)
56 00:45 Brit votes GE (1)
57 04:42 JAG unvotes Saldana (0), votes Narc (1)
62 06:26 Narc votes Jackal (2)
69 08:37 Autumn votes Schmidty (1)
75 09:56 Jackal votes Mau (1)
84 11:08 KWhit votes Murray (1)
90 11:30 JAG unvotes Narc (0), votes DT (1)
106 13:55 Saldana votes Mau (2)
111 14:28 Narc unvotes Jackal (1), votes Schmidty (2)
116 15:15 Brit unvotes GE (0), votes Schmidty (3)
127 17:12 Zinto votes Murray (2)
132 17:41 Chief votes Brit (1)
136 18:29 Murray votes Brit (2)
144 19:52 Font unvotes Jackal (0), votes Brit (3)
147 19:59 Zinto unvotes Murray (1), votes Mau (3)
161 20:36 GE votes Mau (4)
176 20:52 DT votes Schmidty (4)
178 20:54 Font unvotes Brit (2), votes Mau (5)
181 20:58 Autumn unvotes Schmidty (3), votes Mau (6)

Non-voters: Mau, Schmidty, Danny

[britrock88]

D1

46 21:59 JAG votes Saldana (1)
48 22:06 Font votes Jackal (1)
56 00:45 Brit votes GE (1)
57 04:42 JAG unvotes Saldana (0), votes Narc (1)
62 06:26 Narc votes Jackal (2)
69 08:37 Autumn votes Schmidty (1)
75 09:56 Jackal votes Mau (1)
84 11:08 KWhit votes Murray (1)
90 11:30 JAG unvotes Narc (0), votes DT (1)
106 13:55 Saldana votes Mau (2)
111 14:28 Narc unvotes Jackal (1), votes Schmidty (2)
116 15:15 Brit unvotes GE (0), votes Schmidty (3)
127 17:12 Zinto votes Murray (2)
132 17:41 Chief votes Brit (1)
136 18:29 Murray votes Brit (2)
144 19:52 Font unvotes Jackal (0), votes Brit (3)
147 19:59 Zinto unvotes Murray (1), votes Mau (3)
161 20:36 GE votes Mau (4)
176 20:52 DT votes Schmidty (4)
178 20:54 Font unvotes Brit (2), votes Mau (5)
181 20:58 Autumn unvotes Schmidty (3), votes Mau (6)

Non-voters: Mau, Schmidty, Danny[/quote]

Day 2 (-3)

#211 07:29 JAG votes GoldenEagle (1)
#229 09:46 Autumn votes KWhit (1)
#234 10:11 Jackal votes GoldenEagle (2)
#251 12:15 murra5y votes Brit (1)
#259 12:47 Narcizo votes Chief (1)
#267 13:29 Britrock votes Schmidty (1)
#273 14:39 Mau votes GoldenEagle (3)
#288 15:54 Narcizo unvotes Chief (0) votes Brit (2)
#296 16:08 Autumn unvotes KWhit (0) votes Jackal (1)
#304 16:58 Chief votes Schmidty (2)

#313 19:16 Zinto votes Jackal (2)
#314 19:17 GoldenEagle votes Britrock (3)
#326 20:45 saldana votes GoldenEagle (4)
#331 20:54 KWhit votes Britrock (4)
#332 21:06 Font votes GoldenEagle (5)
#334 21:07 mau unvotes GoldenEagle (4) votes Britrock (5)
#338 21:13 Autumn unvotes Jackal (1) votes GoldenEagle (5)
#353 21:46 DaddyTorgo votes GoldenEagle (6)
#360 21:52 mau unvotes Brit (4) votes GoldenEagle (7)

D3 (-2)

418 10:56 Jackal votes Murray (1)
426 11:47 Autumn votes Murray (2)
429 12:46 Narcizo votes Brit (1)
435 13:42 Mau votes Murray (3)
436 14:15 Murray votes Brit (2)
439 14:27 Brit votes Murray (4)
448 16:27 Mau unvotes Murray (3), votes Font (1)
450 18:07 Murray unvotes Brit (1), votes Danny (1)
461 18:49 DT votes Mau (1)
472 19:11 Zinto votes Brit (2)
484 19:25 Danny votes Brit (3)
489 19:47 Font votes Jackal (1)
493 19:53 Danny unvotes Brit (2), votes Jackal (2)
499 19:56 Chief votes Brit (3)
501 19:58 Danny unvotes Jackal (1), votes Brit (4)
515 20:12 Danny unvotes Brit (3), votes Murray (4)
518 20:17 KWhit votes Brit (4)
529 20:33 JAG votes Murray (5)
538 20:46 Font unvotes Jackal (0), votes Brit (5)
542 20:47 Murray unvotes Danny (0), votes Brit (6)
559 20:52 DT unvotes Mau (0)
561 20:53 DT votes Brit (7)
565 20:53 KWhit unvotes Brit (6), votes Murray (6)
570 20:54 DT unvotes Brit (5)
572 20:54 DT votes Murray (7)
575 20:54 Font unvotes Brit (4), votes Murray (8)
576 20:55 Murray unvotes Brit (3), votes Font (2)

[britrock88]

^ All in one place. Thanks to the other contributors.

[JAG]

Nice, thanks brit.

I read back on Zinto to see if I could find anything (he had a vote to keep brit as a candidate yesterday, so just curious). I think he's likely to be good based on his voting pattern D1 plus his comment D-3 about me, Chief, and someone else I can't recall when he chided us for not voting Schmidty / Mau.

[JAG]

I won't be around much more today. Will try to pop in when I can.

[Zinto]

Don't worry everyone I am alive and well. Date night went a little longer then I expected last night. I am going to go back the last two days and reread what happened.

[The Jackal]

Looking at Font and CR

Font -

D1: three different votes, ties me with saldana early, then puts brit out in front of 3 other people 3-2-2-2, then switches late to mau
D2: puts GE up 5-4 over brit, only vote
D3: introduces me into voting when it is brit 3 murrayyyy 3 danny 1 mau 1, then switches to brit to tie him with murrayyyy at 5, then switches to murrayyyy post-reveal

CR -

D1: introduces brit when there are three people with 2+ votes plus one with 1 and stays there
D2: votes schmidty for non-participation and stays there
D3: puts brit at 3 when murrayyyy has 3, i have 2, and three others are at 1

So we have font who has not shied away from switching around, and CR who has left his vote where it is each day. Neither of these two screams wolf but neither of them has left me feeling warm and fuzzy. I think my gut is telling me CR and my heart is telling me font because she's been voting me. For now:

[The Jackal]

VOTE CR

[Chief Rum]

I would find it ironic if I end up lynched on the gut feelings of others while I myself am trying to not rely on those alone for my votes.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I would find it ironic if I end up lynched on the gut feelings of others while I myself am trying to not rely on those alone for my votes.

It's not just gut, I'm looking at voting too. But I do admit that you've seemed to play a bit different this game. I'm by no means dead set on you - ignoring gut/vote count who are you looking at? Yes we have multiple bad teams but there's still three days of history.

Knowing mau's allegiance at some point is definitely going to help things.

[Chief Rum]

Honestly, because I am in the middle of a stretch of doubles with my two jobs, I haven't been able to dig really deep with the vote counts, especially when we have been inconsistent in posting them as a village as a whole. So I can't really offer alternative candidates tonight. I know, that's some pretty crappy timing for me.

[The Jackal]

I believe you. Brit posted a pretty helpful look right up there though

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I believe you. Brit posted a pretty helpful look right up there though

Yes, I know. It was something I wnated to review if I had time, so I noted that he did that. But I'm now leaving one job and running to the other. I doubt I will be able to look at the vote counts long enough to properly ID other good candidates. I'll be able to check in once at the other job to put in a vote, but that's about it.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yes, I know. It was something I wnated to review if I had time, so I noted that he did that. But I'm now leaving one job and running to the other. I doubt I will be able to look at the vote counts long enough to properly ID other good candidates. I'll be able to check in once at the other job to put in a vote, but that's about it.

That sounds rough. Make that green.

[Chief Rum]

Mind you, I am not saying I am not deserving of a lynch. I am. Too busy with work to really sit down and look at a game (right now) with little actual information to go on. But I figured things would ease up in a day and I could look a little more closely.

But if you all choose to lynch me tonight, it is not a serious loss for the village, as I don't have any powers or role.

[Chief Rum]

Haha trying.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by JAG

Nice, thanks brit.

I read back on Zinto to see if I could find anything (he had a vote to keep brit as a candidate yesterday, so just curious). I think he's likely to be good based on his voting pattern D1 plus his comment D-3 about me, Chief, and someone else I can't recall when he chided us for not voting Schmidty / Mau.

I'm feeling very good about JAG this game because we seem to be on the same wavelength. I was going to post to his earlier post about Jackal sayign I had come to the same conclusion after having voted him earlier (about his leaning villager). And now JAG posted this about Zinto who is the other guy on my leaning villager list. JAG, Narc, Zinto and Jackal are guys I feel best about (and Brit before the reveal--I'm still trying to assess that).

Chief is the main guy I'm wondering about today. I had DT on my question mark list but looking back this morning I felt better about him (though I no longer remember why -- it's been a long day). I still haven't gotten to looking at all the middle folk.

[Danny]

I am really not sure if CR is the place to go with a lynch.

[Danny]

Do we have a current vote count?

[Danny]

So unless I missed something I see nothing from Brit except vagueness and mystery. Dont buy it

vote britrock

[EagleFan]

As of post 681:

Chief Rum 3 (6) - Autumn (624), JAG (638), The Jackal (669)
britrock88 2 (5) - Narcizo (600), Danny (681)
fontisian 2 (5) - mauchow (637), DaddyTorgo (644)
Zinto (3)
KWhit (3)

Yet to vote: Zinto, Chief Rum, KWhit, fontisian, britrock88

[EagleFan]

vote NFL Network


What kind of crappy song is that to get people pumped for a football game?

[Zinto]

I am wondering if we just let Brit be and let the other faction take care of him if he ended up lying. This really will work itself out because he will eventually need to be removed from the game to help out at least one if not both of the factions with night kills.

[Zinto]

Honestly I see no point in even having Brit up for the vote. Let the two baddie factions figure it out and as long as he posts some kind of something before ten tonight I will be happy.

[Zinto]

Vote Font

[Danny]

If he is bulky then it's only us as village that will want him dead

[KWhit]

I agree. Voting Brit is a bad idea.

Let him be. If he isn't night killed in a couple of days, then we lynch him.

[Zinto]

Based on things that have been said I do not believe that Font is a vanilla villager. Thus, there is a decent chance that she is a baddie. I am also leaning towards Narc being good and I have no idea about the rest of you.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Danny

So unless I missed something I see nothing from Brit except vagueness and mystery. Dont buy it

vote britrock

Pretty much everything except my name is laid out there.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Danny

If he is bulky then it's only us as village that will want him dead

Huh? Do you mean Bully?

[fontisian]

Thirding the brit thing. We shouldn't do scum's job for them.

The only issue is if brit is scum, he might bring powers to the table for his team. I'm not fond of unknowns. Still, it's not worth killing him today.

[britrock88]

I feel like we can resolve the tiff between mau and font when mau dies tonight.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Pretty much everything except my name is laid out there.

Hmm? I didn't see anything except you saying something about being more powerful in past?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Huh? Do you mean Bully?

Yes

[britrock88]

Trying to be discreet about it.

[Danny]

You guys keep talking as if this first day we may not have very many more chances to find a bulky before losing

[britrock88]

But notice my tone in talking about the progress of time after today.

[EagleFan]

As of post 694:

Chief Rum 3 (6) - Autumn (624), JAG (638), The Jackal (669)
fontisian 3 (6) - mauchow (637), DaddyTorgo (644), Zinto (686)
britrock88 2 (5) - Narcizo (600), Danny (681)
Zinto (3)
KWhit (3)

Yet to vote: Chief Rum, KWhit, fontisian, britrock88

[Danny]

But why? You either telling truth and bad guys have yiu fgired out or you Lyons and being vague on purpose