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What does that have to do with how many pitches Louis Tiant threw for the Red Sox?
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Whoops, my bad. I was just thinking Reds/Red Sox, 168 pitches, and Dusty Baker- easy mistake I would think as it was before my time SI
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PECOTA has been updated:
Baseball Prospectus | Depth Charts Red Sox 93, Yankees 93, Rays 92 Minnesota the only team in the central with a winning record at 83 Oakland 85, Texas 84, Seattle 81 Atlanta and Philly with 85 Cards with 86 No one else in those divisions over .500 but Reds and Nats(!?) at 81 All of the West over .500 with Dodgers (86), DBacks (85), Rockies (83), and Giants (82) SI
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Now that's more like it. The Angels have been revised upward ... to 77 wins vs the original 76
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And if the Braves end up with the second most wins (tied) in the NL with their lineup then it's probably time to just retract the whole league.
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Ugh. Apparently Orlando Cabrera is going to be the starting SS for the Reds. At 3 mil they didn't overpay, but his declining fielding and 86 OPS+ for 2009 make it doubtful he'll be much better overall than Janish would have been.
At least Jocketty has been sharp in other decisions this winter.
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86+ is a hell of a lot better than 59+. Great signing in my opinion. I'll take a .270 hitter who plays good defense. Yeah...he's older but it's a one year deal with an option for a 2nd. Love the move. Janish wasn't going to to cut it. |
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But that's the problem, he no longer plays good defense. Based on fielding and hitting Cabrera is barely better than Janish (who is a very good fielder). It's 3 mil spent without providing a significant overall upgrade. Now if Cabrera can boost his OBP from last year or play better defense it's a good pick up, but otherwise it doesn't do much more than provide a good defensive replacement on the bench.
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He's still an above average fielder...even in his current state. Worst case you play him for 7, get average defense and a much better bat and then put Janish in late games for defense if it's a big enough concern. |
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It's going to take a little patience and luck to do that. But to go from the Bavasi years to hopeful playoff contender seems like a nice first step for a guy barely on the job for a year.
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Great news for the Twins and their fans
Twins have framework on Mauer deal? - MLB- nbcsports.msnbc.com Sounds like the Mauer extension is all but complete. |
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Any complaints I had about Cabrera are officially null and void. Walt got rid of Taveras and saved about 1.8 mil in a trade with Oakland. Sure Miles sucks, but he sucks for less money than T-Virus.
Maybe this will be the year that the leadoff hitter OBPs higher than .300.
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A Mauer deal would be good news for baseball in general.
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Agreed SI
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good for baseball in general, sad for my red sox
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Evidently it is a 10 year deal for Mauer, essentially locking him up for Minnesota.
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I can't tell you how thrilled I am that Baker won't have the option of batting Taveras or Patterson first. I'm a little worried about Miguel Cairo and Miles, but they look like part time players at best and everybody knows the CF has to bat leadoff.
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Um, wow. A 10-year deal? I guess I'll reserve judgment until I see actual numbers on it, but even for a hitter entering his prime, 10 years just seems crazy risky.
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Good for them, nice to see a guy stick with his roots also. Hopefully this shows other potential free agents they are committed to winning long term and they can get some guys in there. This team is always competitive with less resources then the big boys, imagine if they started getting some top tier talent to come there instead of having to dump guys who are up for a big payday like they did with Johan. |
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I'm just assuming this means Stubbs leads off. I figure its... Stubbs -- cf Cabrera -- ss Votto -- 1b Phillips -- 2b Bruce -- rf Rolen -- 3b Dickerson/Gomes? -- lf Hannigan -- c It's a good lineup...not great but good. Their defense though is all but rock solid. |
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Buster Olney tweeting that 'multiple sources' are saying that the ten-year report is inaccurate.
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That makes more sense. I'd think it would be more in the 5 or 6 year range - less risk for Minnesota, and it would give Mauer an opportunity at another big payday if he remains healthy and productive.
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Despite what some sources are saying, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the deal really is 10 years.
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Yeah, because the other thing that everybody knows is that the SS bats second. If it were me I'd switch Rolen and Cabrera, move Bruce to cleanup and bat Gomes fifth if he's resigned. Phillips is okay for a 2b, but he's not a good middle of he lineup hitter. Of course if Bruce plays like he did before his injury he's not an anywhere in the lineup hitter.
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Pretty sure we're underestimating Mauer's value to the Twins franchise. There are sime players whom their utility goes beyond baseball value because of the intrinsic importance they are to fans in that community.
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Agreed on most counts. I want Rolen behind Bruce...part of the reason Bruce has problems is because teams don't have to pitch to him. With Rolen behind him, they'll have to pitch to Bruce. Phillips will bat cleanup so a team can't burn one lefty on Votto and Bruce back-to-back. I agree with your premise on him at cleanup though...just isn't going to happen. |
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What if he suffers a major injury in the next couple of years that reduces him from superstar to average or worse? Fans love hometown heroes, but they love winning more. For a franchise that has usually been near the bottom of the league in terms of payroll, there's a big risk in tying up a significant portion of your payroll in one guy. Again, I'll wait to see what the actual numbers are before I pass too much judgment - perhaps the total dollar amount is low enough that it limits the Twins' risk while also providing Mauer enough guaranteed money for him to be willing to forgo free agency. But in general, I'm surprised a low-revenue team is willing to take the risk of a 10-year deal. |
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Great news fellow Reds fans.
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My guess is the 'inaccurate' is quibbling over guaranteed length/money. Wouldn't surprise me if it's a hedge - five or six guaranteed years, with , say, four mutual options thereafter. Minnesota gets Mauer for that guaranteed length of time, gets some insurance against devastating injury in the later years when he's in his mid-30s, and Mauer isn't totally locked in for the remainder of his career if Minnesota falls off the toilet and poos all over themselves. He'd still be young enough in five or six years to go get a contract with Boston or New York if that's what he wants then. |
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I would speculate the 10 years is accurate.
It was likely the best way for them to work out an agreement. Mauer takes the hometown discount and is given years of security in return for it. Initially I heard 8 years 200 million so Im now thinking 10 years 240-250 mllion. This was the Twins only option before moving in to the new ballpark. They begged for years for a new stadium claiming it was the only way to compete financially. If they had let Johan and Mauer leave the team after the state agreed to help fund this new stadium it wouldnt have been a good situation for the Twins ownership. Last edited by jbergey22 : 02-01-2010 at 07:06 PM. |
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Yea, hopefully that is a good thing... But he is the one that brought Willy T in..
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Verlander and the Tigs agree on a 5 yr/80 mil deal.
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Twins signed Orlando Hudson for 1 year. Lineup is looking a lot stronger this year.
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The M's are signing Bedard to a 1-year deal for $1.5M plus incentives. He's coming off of a torn labrum and probably won't be available before June, but at that price why not take a flier?
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Adam Kennedy. Meh.
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Kindof a neat story out of Chicago.
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Is there any possibility that Jeter leaves the Yankees? Not so much because he wants to, but say the Yanks don't want to pay a 36-year old shortstop prime dollars? Does some other team try to steal him away for the marketing buzz it might create? I don't think it'll actually happen, but I'm intrigued by whether it'd make sense in some way or not.
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