WW CLV - Royal Rumble! (GAME OVER!! RESULTS START IN POST #1401)

[JAG]

Day 2:

Lathum votes DT: 1 (DT)
Simbo votes Chubby: 1 (DT, Chubby)
ntndeacon votes path12: 1 (DT, Chubby, path12)
path12 votes Lathum: 1 (DT, Chubby, path12, Lathum)
murrayyyyy votes saldana: 1 (DT, Chubby, path12, Lathum, saldana)
Julio votes saldana: 2 (saldana), 1 (DT, Chubby, path12, Lathum)
bulletsponge votes Simbo: 2 (saldana), 1 (DT, Chubby, path12, Lathum, Simbo)
bulletsponge unvotes Simbo, votes Zinto: 2 (saldana), 1 (DT, Chubby, path12, Lathum, Zinto)
britrock88 votes Chubby: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto)
JAG votes britrock88: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, britrock88)
Suicane75 votes Simbo: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, britrock88, Simbo)
Chubby votes britrock88: 2 (saldana, Chubby, britrock88), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, Simbo)
ntndeacon unvotes path12, votes britrock88: 3 (britrock88), 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, Lathum, Zinto, Simbo)
Simbo unvotes Chubby, votes saldana: 3 (britrock88, saldana), 1 (DT, Lathum, Zinto, Simbo)
saldana votes Simbo: 3 (britrock88, saldana), 2 (Simbo), 1 (DT, Lathum, Zinto)
bulletsponge unvotes Zinto, votes Simbo: 3 (britrock88, saldana, Simbo), 1 (DT, Lathum)
Autumn votes saldana: 4 (saldana), 3 (britrock88, Simbo), 1 (DT, Lathum)
Lathum unvotes DT, votes Simbo: 4 (saldana, Simbo), 3 (britrock88), 1 (Lathum)
saldana unvotes Simbo, votes britrock88: 4 (saldana, britrock88), 3 (Simbo), 1 (Lathum)
Lathum unvotes Simbo, votes britrock88: 5 (britrock88), 4 (saldana), 2 (Simbo), 1 (Lathum)
Chubby unvotes britroc88, votes Simbo: 4 (britrock88, saldana), 3 (Simbo), 1 (Lathum)
JAG unvotes britrock88, votes Zinto: 4 (saldana), 3 (Simbo, britrock88), 1 (Lathum, Zinto)
DT votes Simbo: 4 (saldana, Simbo), 3 (britrock88), 1 (Lathum, Zinto)
saldana reveals that he is the seer
Autumn unvotes saldana, votes Zinto: 4 (Simbo), 3 (britrock88, saldana), 2 (Zinto), 1 (Lathum)
Lathum unvotes britrock88, votes Simbo: 5 (Simbo), 3 (saldana), 2 (Zinto, britrock88), 1 (Lathum)
saldana unvotes britrock88, votes Simbo: 6 (Simbo), 3 (saldana), 2 (Zinto, britrock88), 1 (Lathum)
Simbo unvotes saldana, votes britrock88: 6 (Simbo), 3 (britrock88), 2 (Zinto, saldana), 1 (Lathum)
Simbo unvotes britrock88, votes Zinto: 6 (Simbo), 3 (Zinto), 2 (britrock88, saldana), 1 (Lathum)
Danny votes Simbo: 7 (Simbo), 3 (Zinto), 2 (britrock88, saldana), 1 (Lathum)
Autumn unvotes Zinto, votes Simbo: 8 (Simbo), 2 (britrock88, saldana, Zinto), 1 (Lathum)


Final Day 2 vote:

1 Britrock88 – ntndeacon (395)
1 Chubby - Britrock88 (441)
1 Lathum - path12 (407)
2 saldana - murrayyyyy (410), Julio Riddols (425)
8 Simbo – Suicane75 (453), bulletsponge (483), Chubby (525), DaddyTorgo (537), Lathum (552), saldana (514), Danny, Autumn (583)
2 Zinto - JAG (533), Simbo (576)
No vote: Zinto


Day 2 thoughts:

1. In general, we don't have as much info as D1 since we don't know as many people's loyalties.

2. At one point we got to 4-4-3 Simbo-saldana-britrock, so unless britrock is a wolf, we again ended up with all candidates being villagers. If britrock is a wolf, then DT made a very damning vote on Simbo to make it 4-4-3 Simbo-saldana-britrock considering the circumstances.

3. However, some of my other slight minus folks from D1 received votes at some point throughout the day (DT / Chubby / Zinto). Notable moments:

a. With 1 vote for DT-Chubby-path12-Lathum-saldana, Julio votes saldana to 2
b. ntndeacon, who voted early D1 for a villager and never changed his vote, unvotes path12 (leaning villager) and votes britrock to 3 with Chubby having 2 votes, Zinto and DT having 1 vote (among others with votes) and talks about trying to consolidate the vote when he does. Protecting someone?
c. With the vote at 6-3 Simbo-Zinto, Danny votes for Simbo saying a runaway is bad but he doesn't think Zinto should have been in the mix.

I'm leaning towards ntndeacon with my vote by a little bit over Zinto because his vote sure looked like he was trying to protect someone with a single vote at the time (moreso than Chubby I would guess). He also had an early vote establishing a villager D1 and never moved from it in a vote where the wolves were not threatened.

Vote ntndeacon

[JAG]

Barring a counter-reveal at some point, consider Autumn green in those other posts.

[Chubby]

not against ntn with the above analysis, will put my vote on another pressure point

vote zinto

[bulletsponge]

my gut is telling me Zinto and Britrock are wolves. they are both way to quiet for my liking. i havnt played very many ww games, but theres always at least 1 wolf whos real queit and hangs in the shadows. i suspected Zinto yesterday, and brit was in trouble yesterday also late, then for some reason several people took votes off him and onto others

Vote Britrock88

its really a toss up between these 2, and some are making a solid case for Zinto so i might change again. im going to go back and see why i suspected zinto in the 1st place, i have bad memory

[bulletsponge]

my gut is telling me Zinto and Britrock are wolves.

i meant Zinto OR Brit

[murrayyyyy]

I would like to vote for Marquette for costing me $1217.95 last night by losing by 4 when I had them +2?

Everyone is voting today? I thought it was tomorrow? I was hoping to look at all of JAG's info later tonight.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

All results are in and PMs sent out. Day Three has begun. Votes count now.

The Fight Action deadline is 1 p.m. PDT/4 p.m. EST on MONDAY.

The Day Three Lynch deadline is 7 p.m. PDT/10 p.m. EST on MONDAY.

Here murrayyyyy, Chief said Day 3 has begun and votes now count.


Day 3 voting:

1 Suicane75 - Julio (640)
1 ntndeacon - JAG (651)
1 Zinto - Chubby (653)
1 britrock88 - bulletsponge (654)


Also, a caveat from a previous post:

Originally Posted by JAG

Barring a counter-reveal at some point, consider Autumn green in those other posts.

If saldana = seer, then Autumn is cleared of being any wolf except the cunning, so not exactly green.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by saldana

Autumn scanned as a generic wrestler

I resent this comment. The Warlord is no generic. Look at my reverse mohawk!

Thanks for clearing me. I wish you had found a wolf instead, maybe scan at least a big vote getter, but it's always a relief to be able to stop worrying about that side of the game. Now let's kick some ass!

[murrayyyyy]

Zinto's non-vote D2 and actions the day before have lead me to this... (plus I have to do a lot of work at the office after my 7 AM Conf call)

Vote Zinto

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I would like to vote for Marquette for costing me $1217.95 last night by losing by 4 when I had them +2?

Everyone is voting today? I thought it was tomorrow? I was hoping to look at all of JAG's info later tonight.

Murray, on weekends we oftne have a looooonng day. So while voting is open, deadline will be Monday night. Gives those of us around something to do, while not punishing people with busy weekends.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by JAG

I'm leaning towards ntndeacon with my vote by a little bit over Zinto because his vote sure looked like he was trying to protect someone with a single vote at the time (moreso than Chubby I would guess). He also had an early vote establishing a villager D1 and never moved from it in a vote where the wolves were not threatened.

Vote ntndeacon

I'm working through this stuff, JAG. Could you explain why you think it's more likely NTN was protecting a single vote-getter, rather than Chubby?

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Murray, on weekends we oftne have a looooonng day. So while voting is open, deadline will be Monday night. Gives those of us around something to do, while not punishing people with busy weekends.

I just wanted to put into print how much I hated Marquette right now. I feel better. Can I still go agressive attack on Buzz Williams?

[Autumn]

Is it because he was following Chubby voting britrock?

Yeah, I don't like that vote, in that it follows right after you and Chubby putting Britrock up there. Follow-the-leader votes always ping me, as they're just a way to be noncommital, and maybe suggest he finally found the wagon he could hop on.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I just wanted to put into print how much I hated Marquette right now. I feel better. Can I still go agressive attack on Buzz Williams?

Next time just send your thousand bucks to me. I'll put it to good use.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Next time just send your thousand bucks to me. I'll put it to good use.

It was only 50. I never do parlays but was bored at work and got talked into "can you hit a 5 teamer?" Only game I lost.

[Autumn]

bulletsponge unvotes Simbo, votes Zinto: 2 (saldana), 1 (DT, Chubby, path12, Lathum, Zinto)
britrock88 votes Chubby: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto)
JAG votes britrock88: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, britrock88)
Suicane75 votes Simbo: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, britrock88, Simbo)
Chubby votes britrock88: 2 (saldana, Chubby, britrock88), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, Simbo)
ntndeacon unvotes path12, votes britrock88: 3 (britrock88), 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, Lathum, Zinto, Simbo)

This sequence suggest to me htat it's Chubby that NTN is protecting. If he's protecting a single vote getter, there's no real difference between the time he acts and earlier in the day except that there are now 3 two-votes. If I was a wolfa nd one of the one vote-getters was my pal, I'd be resting easier now. Well, I guess I can see making that move either way, but evidence points more strongly to Chubby than the others, since there were so many of them.

[murrayyyyy]

and to make up for it, I have to order all of NBA and NHL for 2013-14 tomorrow(after a lengthy conference call). I hate this time of the year. Anyone have a crystal ball as to who wins the title?

[Autumn]

I think Danny's end of day vote doesn't look good for Zinto. I think a cultist Danny, seeing a 6-3 villager faceoff, votes the lower one and makes sure those two stay in play. The village has a tendency to jump off of runaways and pick some new random person, and Danny knows this. Putting Simbo up even higher puts other players in danger. Cultist Danny voting villager Zinto has no drawback that I can see, and plenty of benefit.

[Autumn]

Day 1 Thoughts based on JAG's vote tally.

Looking back at D1, Julio's vote on Mauchow, with 8 other players already with votes, actually makes me feel a bit better about him. I think a wolf there helps narrow the field, not adding more possibilities (since we know that the majority of those were villagers already.

Lathum, Path, bulletsponge and Suicane were all involved in this "vote Danny" thing in D1. In retrospect, looks like a great idea. And out of context Path's vote looks good, since bringing a 5th villager (presuming Suicane is good) into the fray isn't a big wolf move. However, knowing that it was working on this idea of possibly voting out Danny because of his wrestler, makes me a bit suspicious of those involved. A out-of-WW excuse to get Danny out of the game day one would sound great to a wolf. I think Suicane looks fairly good because of Danny's vote on him, but I wonder about the others.

There is something funny about Danny's dancing around and going back to Suicane late D1. He goes off then goes back on, but after it seems clear Suicane's out of the race. I wonder if this might have been a signal. As could have been his attempt to support Suicane's seeming reveal. He had to back off when Suicane backed off, but maybe he was trying to help out. Interestingly he only mentioned it in thread once Suicane was getting some heat.

I don't agree with JAG that Lathum's late tie-vote is not a wolf move. I think a wolf Lathum would still make that move. He's provocative as a wolf, and no harm to the wolves in forcing a V-V tie.

I had forgotten that I didn't like Zinto's vote late D1. Felt like he was looking for a safe vote, which is what a wolf would be worrying about right then. He then switches again to put the nail deep deep in the coffin, which is one of those moves which looks good but doesn't mean anything.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm working through this stuff, JAG. Could you explain why you think it's more likely NTN was protecting a single vote-getter, rather than Chubby?

In my opinion, if it was Chubby he wanted to protect, instead of consolidating there he would have tried to bring another voter to 2 rather than narrowing down the field to include a fellow wolf. I could be wrong of course, just my two cents on what I felt was more likely.

[Autumn]

Oh I see. Yeah, I would probably do the same, but I'm not sure everyone would. It's harder for me to see him worrying about one of those 1-vote getters though. Unless it was one of the last couple that he was worried about maybe.

[Suicane75]

Vote: Zinto

And I encourage an aggressive attack on Deacon by as many of you as possible. I will be defending myself to the utmost.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't agree with JAG that Lathum's late tie-vote is not a wolf move. I think a wolf Lathum would still make that move. He's provocative as a wolf, and no harm to the wolves in forcing a V-V tie.

Not true, we have no idea what the tiebreaker mechanism is.

[bulletsponge]

well im going to be off at work for most of the day, so im sending my fight orders now. already have my vote

[britrock88]

1 Suicane75 - Julio (640)
1 ntndeacon - JAG (651)
3 Zinto - Chubby (653), murrayyyyy (659), Suicane (672)
1 britrock88 - bulletsponge (654)

[britrock88]

Ugh, it's harder to think back through votes without the Narc charts, but I just don't have the time to make those, sadly.

[Lathum]

I'm going to stick with my gut and

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm going to stick with my gut and

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Your gut is steering you wrong here. I'm nothing special.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not true, we have no idea what the tiebreaker mechanism is.

True, but last game aside, it's very rare for the village to allow a tie. But a tie encourages people to make last second moves that often then derail the village. I'm not saying you're a wolf, I'm just saying that vote doesn't make me think you're not a wolf.

[Autumn]

That's something the Warlord can agree with - Randy Savage is nothing special at all. Nothin'.

[JAG]

Sorry for my analysis getting in the way of the wrestling theme. Pretend I sang that while strumming my guitar. Who's ready for an el-kabong?

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Vote: Zinto

And I encourage an aggressive attack on Deacon by as many of you as possible. I will be defending myself to the utmost.

And you think Mr. Perfect hasn't thought of such a despicable move! We will have the Perfect defense for such a Snake as you Roberts!

[Suicane75]

We will, will we? Weeeeee.

[britrock88]

To finish that thought of mine from long ago...

Vote ntndeacon

Count:

1 Suicane75 - Julio (640)
2 ntndeacon - JAG (651), britrock (684)
3 Zinto - Chubby (653), murrayyyyy (659), Suicane (672)
1 britrock88 - bulletsponge (654)
1 DaddyTorgo - Lathum (677)

[DaddyTorgo]

I had better get a vote in - I'm on the train down to NYC and have a meeting and then dinner and am not sure when I'll actually be back in my room and all...

[DaddyTorgo]

I ought to be back in my room by 10PM i presume, but just in case I'm going to put in a placeholder vote. I remember someone's analysis of britrock striking a cord with me earlier, and I think in britrock/ntn/zinto we have an interesting triad where there may be a wolf, so let's see what elevating britrock into the conversation brings over the next few hours

VOTE BRITROCK

[Autumn]

I was hoping to hear from NTN and Zinto about the stuff in JAG's analysis and my analysis. Nothing yet. I think from what I wrote above Zinto is ringing more alarm bells than anybody else. I won't bother reposting it, it's all right there.

VOTE ZINTO

[Autumn]

I'm ready for some brawlin'.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by JAG

In my opinion, if it was Chubby he wanted to protect, instead of consolidating there he would have tried to bring another voter to 2 rather than narrowing down the field to include a fellow wolf. I could be wrong of course, just my two cents on what I felt was more likely.

except that is was 6 minutes to 7. and we only had a limited time left. perhaps that would be true if was earlier in the afternoon, but that late... it is getting time to make a choice...

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Autumn

bulletsponge unvotes Simbo, votes Zinto: 2 (saldana), 1 (DT, Chubby, path12, Lathum, Zinto)
britrock88 votes Chubby: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto)
JAG votes britrock88: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, britrock88)
Suicane75 votes Simbo: 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, britrock88, Simbo)
Chubby votes britrock88: 2 (saldana, Chubby, britrock88), 1 (DT, path12, Lathum, Zinto, Simbo)
ntndeacon unvotes path12, votes britrock88: 3 (britrock88), 2 (saldana, Chubby), 1 (DT, Lathum, Zinto, Simbo)

This sequence suggest to me htat it's Chubby that NTN is protecting. If he's protecting a single vote getter, there's no real difference between the time he acts and earlier in the day except that there are now 3 two-votes. If I was a wolfa nd one of the one vote-getters was my pal, I'd be resting easier now. Well, I guess I can see making that move either way, but evidence points more strongly to Chubby than the others, since there were so many of them.

it looks like these votes are one right after another... however the first couple on this list were roughly 3 the next two were after 5 and mine was a little before 7. granted that I voted for the same person as Chubby, but Chubby is certainly not cleared to me either.

[Chief Rum]

Just a little over a half hour left to the fight action deadline, but I only have actions from half of you. So I hope I get some late PMs here.

[Autumn]

I'll take those extra actions, Chief, thanks.

[ntndeacon]

Mr. Perfect has a Perfect use for such actions!

[Autumn]

Depressingly quiet day.

[Chubby]

just got home from work, expected more to catch up on

[Zinto]

Well, I just got back from class. I can't disagree with you guys if you think my vote is odd on day one and I have no vote on day two so it doesn't help me out.

[Zinto]

I can say that a tie hurt the village last game and that is why I did not want a tie. It ended up going on a wild goose chase looking for DT everyday of the game which should have cost the village the game. I was not looking for that to happen because all that does is confuse the game.

[Zinto]

I need to go back and reread the first two days so I am going to do that. Also, don't let the vote on me become a run away because it is going to be absolutely useless for you in the long run if I am indeed the one who is lynched.

[Chief Rum]

Now we have reached the third round of fighting, will we start to see some fight strategy start to play out? Do the injured wrestlers get more attention? Will there be more risk taking, or less? Here are today's fight actions.

All actions listed in alphabetical order again, by category.

AGGRESSIVE ATTACK

ntndeacon (Mr. Perfect) ATT Chubby (Rowdy Roddy Piper)
saldana (Ravishing Rick Rude) ATT Chubby (Rowdy Roddy Piper)

CAUTIOUS ATTACK

Autumn (The Warlord) ATT Suicane75 (Jake The Snake Roberts)
britrock88 (Rick The Model Martel) ATT bulletsponge (The Barbarian)
bulletsponge (The Barbarian) ATT Chubby (Rowdy Roddy Piper)
Lathum (Jimmy Superfly Snuka) ATT Suicane75 (Jake The Snake Roberts)
murrayyyyy (The American Dream Dusty Rhodes) ATT path12 (Ted the Million Dollar Man DiBiase)

CAUTIOUS DEFENSE

Chubby (Rowdy Roddy Piper)
Julio Riddols (The Ultimate Warrior)
path12 (Ted The Million Dollar Man DiBiase)
Suicane75 (Jake The Snake Roberts)
Zinto (Birdman Koko B. Ware)

AGGRESSIVE DEFENSE

DaddyTorgo (Macho Man)
JAG (The Honky Tonk Man)

[Chubby]

hmmm three attacks on me? me thinks there's 2 wolves involved