Werewolf XXXIX: The Lady of La Rochelle–GAME OVER.

[Alan T]

I'm pretty sure its an unwritten WW rule that quoting Vince Vaughn will get you next day lynched. On that note, I'm out for the night. see folks in the morning at work.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I agree, it would have been nice if I could have talked my way out of it. Unfortunately, Alan was hung up on what I said this morning about not caring about the lynch.

When I got back, I tried to find a better candidate than myself to go to the duel, but people weren't moving their vote. Not my fault, keep your vote on me take a chance at getting duked. I dropped a bunch of hints during the last 3 hours.

I told you i was willing to help you get lynched..i asked you two questions...the first you said didnt matter, and the second you totally ignored. Thats not really trying...

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I agree, it would have been nice if I could have talked my way out of it. Unfortunately, Alan was hung up on what I said this morning about not caring about the lynch.

When I got back, I tried to find a better candidate than myself to go to the duel, but people weren't moving their vote. Not my fault, keep your vote on me take a chance at getting duked. I dropped a bunch of hints during the last 3 hours.

You had dropped a bunch of hints, but I never caught them. I might just be dense, but I couldn't figure out what you were hinting. Oh well, hopefully we'll learn something from this.

[Blade6119]

*not get lynched

lol

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but the Guillotine didn't come about until 1789.

Good catch, I actually thought it did not come about until later too, but could not resist using it in a French based game. . At the historic time of this tale, they really used a two handed sword or an axe. Either way, a sword/axe is not as cool as the mack daddy Guillotine.

Don't fret, you may never get to see it in a WW game again.

[Tyrith]

I picked up on the hints but since there hasn't been an actual duke in a big game for a couple of games now it entirely passed me by. OOPS. I can't believe we collectively missed that one.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Good catch, I actually thought it did not come about until later too, but could not resist using it in a French based game. . At the historic time of this tale, they really used a two handed sword or an axe. Either way, a sword/axe is not as cool as the mack daddy Guillotine.

Don't fret, you may never get to see it in a WW game again.

We'll conjure one just to kill you with it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Good catch, I actually thought it did not come about until later too, but could not resist using it in a French based game. . At the historic time of this tale, they really used a two handed sword or an axe. Either way, a sword/axe is not as cool as the mack daddy Guillotine.

Don't fret, you may never get to see it in a WW game again.

i should prolly GM some WW games. With all my history knowledge I have a feeling I could make some fun games.

"WW: The Russian Revolution"
"WW: A Song of Ice and Fire" (can someone please do this dammit?)
"WW: Chicago Mafia Wars"

[Tyrith]

I want someone to do a Star Trek WW, damnit. Deep Space Nine gave us the perfect way to do it!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I want someone to do a Star Trek WW, damnit. Deep Space Nine gave us the perfect way to do it!

YES

grrrr. is there any kind of primer on like...hosting the games? or do you just learn how via playing?

cuz a DS9 WW would be INSANE!

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I guess this is where me not knowing the full story too well comes in. I guess I assume if someone is the second in command of the Cardinal Guard they are probably more likely to be good than the remainder of people who have not been cleared in any way so far.

Sorry, but I completely agree with Jonathan E on this one. In no way does this clear Fouts to my mind. He duked to someone not suspicious, not high in the vote count for what reason? At least duke to the other high vote getter since enough people saw something there to vote for. Maybe number three or number four. But nope, he dukes CR.

All that was established was that he has a rank. If the musketeers infiltrated us, then they could certainly have any rank they desire. Nope, in no way does he have my trust.

-Anxiety

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

YES

grrrr. is there any kind of primer on like...hosting the games? or do you just learn how via playing?

cuz a DS9 WW would be INSANE!

Just FYI, I have a DS9 game that I almost ran. I ran the premise through hoops(you know, hoopsguy), the only hangup, it is not like any WW game that has ever been ran and I'm not real sure of how balanced it is. I may yet pull the trigger on it someday.

[Grammaticus]

As you all rise in the morning, you wash up, get dressed and assemble for breakfast. You notice that not all are present. Hmm, Izulde and AlanT are not at the mess hall. M Grenir looks very shaken. He tells you that AlanT’s manservant lost his wits in the middle of the night and came to M. Grenier wailing that M. AlanT was murdered by poisoned wine!

You rush to AlanT’s room and look about. Sure enough a fine bottle of Anjou wine is uncorked and open upon the table. A glass lays broken upon the floor where it was dropped. M. AlanT’s body is lying stretched out towards the door. He has a look of shock and disbelief upon his face. A face that is twisted and bloated blue. You think it best to check his belongings. You find a well worn red sash signifying that he is Cardinals Guard. You search his belongings and find a sealed envelope. The wax seal bears the symbol of Cardinal Richelieu himself. With a particular uncertainty you open the letter and read:

This man is an investigator under my protection. He has the right to search any premise within reason. Give him the courtesy of those serving the Cardinal.
-Richelieu

My god, this man was an Investigator in the service of the Cardinal. You look about and notice a small piece of paper almost hidden under the bed. It is a receipt for purchase of two bottles of Anjou wine, total price 50 Livre and addressed to M. Fouts. It must have been dropped upon delivery.

You suddenly realize that Izulde was not present as well. You run to his room and find the poor man laying in his bead, the sheets awash in a red stamp of death. His throat has been slit from ear to ear. You search his Armoire and find a weathered red sash signifying Cardinals Guard. You also find a certificate of Outstanding Marksmanship.

M Grenier calls you to attention and says that st.cronin will not be among us today. He took his bible to the chapel and will be back at the end of the day. M. Grenier says that any votes for st.cronin will not be counted and since he will not be among us, M. st.cronin will not vote either.

You walk away sad and dejected, as you have lost two more of your ilk…..

AlanT was Cardinals Guard, Investigator.

Izulde was Cardinals Guard, Marksman

[Abe Sargent]

Ummmm....Ouch

[dubb93]

Did we just lose our seer?

[Blade6119]

One of them...we might have more by the looks of cronins actions

[Blade6119]

dola, 2 kills? Do the musketeers not know each other?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

dola, 2 kills? Do the musketeers not know each other?

Wouldn't there have been 3 kills in that case?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Wouldn't there have been 3 kills in that case?

Like last game, maybe some can only kill certain times. Just trying to explain 2 kills, though alans might likely have been a tk assasin role.

[Fouts]

Interesting that my name was on the receipt. Nice attempt at a frame job there.

[Alan T]

Ahh well. So much for trying to make the bad guys think I'm nothing important.

Good luck good guys.

[Alan T]

Just a quick shout out to Narcizo too.

Come join us in a game some time!

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Did we just lose our seer?

Yes. That is the name of the seer role in this game. As I alluded to earlier in the game, I had this name in my PM at one point and strongly believed it to be the title of the seer.

[hoopsguy]

I'm wondering where Alan tipped his hand, as I did not see it.

However, quoting Vince Vaughn - from The Breakup???? - is a confirmed recipe for disaster. Try Swingers next time you get the urge ...

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

However, quoting Vince Vaughn - from The Breakup???? - is a confirmed recipe for disaster. Try Swingers next time you get the urge ...

[Lathum]

Not really sure what to make of this except it sucks we lost our seer.

[Lathum]

dola- I'll be gone most of the morning/afternoon without internet access.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, I learned that there was an element from the "Ripper" game that translated into this one last night. While this may seem pretty cryptic at the moment, I'm sure someone will know exactly what I'm talking about if/when they get a similar night PM.

I did not leave my room last night and I do not believe I could have left my room. So I'm not sure if I should take the night actions as a friendly one or an act by the muskateers. I'm inclined towards the first, if only because I don't think that the muskateers would have a 3rd action on top of two kills.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Just a quick shout out to Narcizo too.

Come join us in a game some time!

Thanks, but time zones preclude me.

[BrianD]

I thought Alan had hinted that he had an important role. It doesn't surprise me that he and Izulde got knocked off. Talking about your roles and characteristics seems like it would draw way too much attention.

I wonder what the deal with St. Cronin is? Is this part of his priest training? Will he be changed when he comes back? He could have left a note on his writing desk or something to let us know what was up.

So where do we start looking today?

[Barkeep49]

Well where do we go today? I think we had a great Day 1, in terms of activity, so I feel like there have to be clues out there to take advantage of.

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow.

[SnDvls]

this is like three games in a row we've lost our seer on night 1 or 2. puts us behind the eight ball now.

Alan's murder seems set up to me too. I'm still in the trust Fouts camp.

[BrianD]

I guess I can give my thoughts on last night's events. The Izulde throat-slitting sounds to me like a normal Musketeer kill. It was mentioned that people still had their daggers, and this looks like a death by dagger. I expect we'll see this kind of thing nightly.

The Alan kill by poison seemed a bit odd. I'm guessing that this will be an every-few-nights kind of kill. Poison just doesn't seem like an every-night thing. I also find it interesting that there was a receipt that went along with the wine. The question becomes, did the delivery person give the wine to the wrong person (supposed to go to Fouts)? Did Fouts poison his own wine and deliver it to Alan (and then drop the receipt)? Was this a pretty clumsy frame job?

I'm going to guess that Fouts did not kill Alan. That receipt was too big of a "clue" to be found without the use of any particular role.

[Barkeep49]

I think that an argument can be made to trust fouts from his posts, but I think trusting him simply because he is the duke is faulty logic and am surprised to see so many veteran players suggest that. Most noticeably I was surprised to see hoops be the first to suggest it.

[Coffee Warlord]

Going to vote early, as I may be busy at work today.

Frankly, *I'm* amazed at the fact that so many people think Fouts shouldn't be very much trusted (unless he gets converted later, if they can do that).

As such, I'm looking at the people who've been spearheading against Fouts. Namely, Jonathan. If we spend all day campaigning against Fouts, we waste a full day discussing someone I believe is 100% on our side. Which, to a wolf, would be a grand thing. Fouts is a good guy. Wasting our time arguing this point (especially today) is not beneficial to the cause.

So, barring some new evidence coming out today...

Vote Jonathan Ezarik

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The "duke" power is almost always bestowed on a "villager". So Fouts, even though he missed on his guess, should enter a relatively trusted state. Which means the bodyguard game gets to start early, with deciding whether to guard Fouts or someone who he thinks may have a seer role.

I would much rather Fouts take a shot with using his power than dying with it unused as a good guy. Just unfortunate that his switch didn't work out.

Originally Posted by Alan T

According to the right up, the guard read Fouts' paper and verified he was who he said he was. Lieutenant of the Cardinal Guard. So in my mind, thats fully trusted at least for now.

As for him using his ability, yep thats what he had to do there, and he was in the same situation I was. Having to decide who should die without having any facts on anyone.

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

That's an awfully powerful role to have in the hands of a wolf. Too powerful, in my mind.

Originally Posted by SnDvls

same feeling here fouts should be #1 on everyone's trust list in my book now

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think that an argument can be made to trust fouts from his posts, but I think trusting him simply because he is the duke is faulty logic and am surprised to see so many veteran players suggest that. Most noticeably I was surprised to see hoops be the first to suggest it.

Barkeep, of the four quotes listed here I think mine is indicating the lowest amount of trust for Fouts. So I find it weird that you would cite my support as the one that draws your attention. All four players are guys who have a number of WW games under their belts.

That said, I'm still inclined to trust Fouts more than the norm. If he is still around in a couple of days and another poisoning shows up with a delivery note from the cellar of "M. Fouts" then I might re-evaluate this position. But I think the easiest position to take right now is to expect that a traditional good guy role was delegated to a good guy in this game.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Going to vote early, as I may be busy at work today.

Frankly, *I'm* amazed at the fact that so many people think Fouts shouldn't be very much trusted (unless he gets converted later, if they can do that).

As such, I'm looking at the people who've been spearheading against Fouts. Namely, Jonathan. If we spend all day campaigning against Fouts, we waste a full day discussing someone I believe is 100% on our side. Which, to a wolf, would be a grand thing. Fouts is a good guy. Wasting our time arguing this point (especially today) is not beneficial to the cause.

So, barring some new evidence coming out today...

Vote Jonathan Ezarik

Interesting. You're working under the assumption that I'm going to go after Fouts today, which is not my intention at all. I don't hold Fouts in my CoT, but I don't necessarily consider him evil, either. There are other players I'm looking at today.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Interesting. You're working under the assumption that I'm going to go after Fouts today, which is not my intention at all. I don't hold Fouts in my CoT, but I don't necessarily consider him evil, either. There are other players I'm looking at today.

He doesn't have my trust. I don't care if he is our lieutenant, that doesn't automatically make him good. Remember that there is a captain of the Musketeers as well. I would assume that's a high ranking official.

This is the main reason I don't trust Fouts. He pointed out st.cronin earlier and had voted for him before switching to Chief, but when the time comes to select someone to die, he goes for the revenge vote. If he had taken out st.cronin, he'd have my trust (assuming st.cronin didn't come up as a valuable role for us).

Sorry, but I don't like how you handled this one. It's nothing personal, but I'm not going to trust you just because you are the lieutenant. In my book, a man of honor would have challenged his accusers rather than sending them to die.

Forgive me for saying I think you've already gone after him quite a bit.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Forgive me for saying I think you've already gone after him quite a bit.

True, but all those posts show is that I don't trust Fouts, not that I'm out to lynch him. Everyone was jumping on the "We now have one person we can trust" just because he's a lieutenant or has a duke role, and my stance is that neither one of those automatically makes one good. Now, if several people come out today and vouch for him because of night actions, my opinion of him will change.

A question for those in the Fouts camp: if he had chosen Alan yesterday, would you still be so quick to believe he's good?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

True, but all those posts show is that I don't trust Fouts, not that I'm out to lynch him. Everyone was jumping on the "We now have one person we can trust" just because he's a lieutenant or has a duke role, and my stance is that neither one of those automatically makes one good. Now, if several people come out today and vouch for him because of night actions, my opinion of him will change.

A question for those in the Fouts camp: if he had chosen Alan yesterday, would you still be so quick to believe he's good?

Fair enough, but I think you're very, very wrong, and I find what you've said thus far suspicious enough for me to throw a vote down. I've been wrong before, I could be wrong again, but it's what I have to go on right now.

And to answer your question, yes, I would. He made a guess, he was wrong either way. It's what happens on day 1.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Fair enough, but I think you're very, very wrong, and I find what you've said thus far suspicious enough for me to throw a vote down. I've been wrong before, I could be wrong again, but it's what I have to go on right now.

I understand your reasons for voting for me, but think about this: would a wolf be so vocal against a player that most believe is good? And after the first day at that?

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

By the way, I learned that there was an element from the "Ripper" game that translated into this one last night. While this may seem pretty cryptic at the moment, I'm sure someone will know exactly what I'm talking about if/when they get a similar night PM.

I did not leave my room last night and I do not believe I could have left my room. So I'm not sure if I should take the night actions as a friendly one or an act by the muskateers. I'm inclined towards the first, if only because I don't think that the muskateers would have a 3rd action on top of two kills.

I believe I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm getting clarification on what can be shared.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I understand your reasons for voting for me, but think about this: would a wolf be so vocal against a player that most believe is good? And after the first day at that?

Ahh, but what if it's all a ruse, and he knew I knew he knew I knew? "Would a wolf do this" arguments never freakin' work.

But on the serious note, I hear you, and my vote is certainly not set in stone (and never was - as I said, acting on what I've got right now). We need some more people talking and offering other analysis.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Okay, shifting gears. Have we learned anything from night actions?

I can understand Alan's death, but Izulde's is a bit of a stretch. I know he hinted that he was a marksman, but why did the wolves take him out? Were they afraid of a repeat of yesterday's vote where it was going to result in a duel between Izulde and someone? If so, whom are they trying to protect?

Could it be that both deaths are an attempt to frame Fouts? The Alan one seems obvious, but he was scheduled to duel Izulde before he made the switch. Things to ponder.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

We need some more people talking and offering other analysis.

Yeah, so wake up people! We've got the King's business to attend to!

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I did not leave my room last night and I do not believe I could have left my room.

Are you saying that your door was locked from the outside last night?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Fair enough, but I think you're very, very wrong, and I find what you've said thus far suspicious enough for me to throw a vote down. I've been wrong before, I could be wrong again, but it's what I have to go on right now.

And to answer your question, yes, I would. He made a guess, he was wrong either way. It's what happens on day 1.

I'm in the camp that is leaning towards Fouts being good, so I agree with you there. I don't follow the jump to Jonathan though. I think he's just disagreeing with Fouts' decision, but that doesn't make him bad. My feelings on that have been clear, I think we have at least one Musketeer in the Fouts voters yesterday and barring further info that's where I'm looking first for my vote today.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Are you saying that your door was locked from the outside last night?

Mine would have been locked from the inside most likely.

[hoopsguy]

Posing an open question - was there someone with an assassin role who thought it was a good idea to go after Izulde last night? I would like to have an understanding of what kind of night kill schedule we can expect for the remainder of the game. If no one comes out and says "yeah, I goofed on my assassin kill" then I think we have to assume there is a good chance another poisoning will take place before this one is over.