Official 2021 College Football thread

[tarcone]

I would be okay with the 2 seed, I think that is an easier path, because the 4 seed could easily be Alabama or Georgia.

I so wanted a #1 vote, but I agree with you having Georgia as a unanimous 1

[albionmoonlight]

I don’t see Ogeron surviving past this year at LSU. Which is a shame, because it was fun having LSU’s head coach be a guy who seemed more like an illiterate shrimp boat captain than the head of a major college football program.

[bob]

Am I the only one that doesn't think that Cincy's win versus ND is all that impressive. ND isn't really that good, and they could have easily lost every game they have played. And even then I think ND would have won if they just played Drew Pyne (coming to a transfer portal soon) instead of Brian Kelly's spin the wheel of 3 QBs.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by bob

Am I the only one that doesn't think that Cincy's win versus ND is all that impressive. ND isn't really that good, and they could have easily lost every game they have played. And even then I think ND would have won if they just played Drew Pyne (coming to a transfer portal soon) instead of Brian Kelly's spin the wheel of 3 QBs.

I hate them as much as anyone, but I think Notre Dame is ranked pretty appropriately at this point in the season. I think the top 8 or 9 teams are more talented and/or having better seasons than them this year, but they are pretty fairly grouped into the next clump of teams.

Florida State, Virginia Tech, and Wisconsin are not up to their traditional standards, but they each still have a lot of power five talent and you have to give Notre Dame some credit for getting road wins against those three when they could have been playing MAC and CUSA teams at home instead.

As for Cincy, I think a road win against Notre Dame is almost always going to have some value.

[bob]

That's fair enough, but let me rephrase.

Is a road win against #14 enough to get into the playoff? I know #23 SMU is out there, but even then.

[Swaggs]

I'm going to hedge, but I always come back to not having a good definition of what we are ranking between most talented team and most accomplished team.

It doesn't feel like Cincy has the resume, but it doesn't really feel like Georgia or Oklahoma have accomplished a whole lot more to this point. Oklahoma has the win over Texas and Georgia has the win over Arkansas (and has been beating the crap out of its opponents, at least). Those teams have the talent and history and are unbeaten, so it seems fair that they are in the top 4.

I think Cincy needs to win out (and hope Notre Dame, SMU, and UCF look respectable at the end of the year)and get some help to stay in the top 4 (I think a number of 1-loss SEC and Big Ten teams would have better resumes at the end of the year), but I'm okay with them being in the top 4 at this point. I think anyone from 12 out (and possibly Wake Forest - as I can't imagine an undefeated ACC team getting skipped, no matter how terrible the ACC is this year) would have better resumes than Cincy at the end of the year.

[JPhillips]

If PSU falls apart without a QB, the Iowa schedule is going to look really bad until the championship game. I don't think they can survive a loss given their schedule.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

If PSU falls apart without a QB, the Iowa schedule is going to look really bad until the championship game. I don't think they can survive a loss given their schedule.

OR Iowa has such a dominating defense that it ruined 3 ranked teams seasons.

Perspective.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I can't imagine an undefeated ACC team getting skipped, no matter how terrible the ACC is this year) would have better resumes than Cincy at the end of the year.

This might be that year.

Wake's SOS is bad, REAL bad.

There's a legit chance they could win the ACC without ever facing a Top 25 team.

My disdain for Group of Five programs is well established by now I believe, but I'd take an unbeaten Cincy into the playoff over an unbeaten Wake right now. And quite possibly at the end of the season as well.

[jbergey22]

Most likely scenario
1. Georgia
2. Oklahoma
3. Alabama
4. Ohio St

Best case scenario for Iowa is not having to play Ohio St and that Michigan or Penn St can keep them out of the B1G Championship game.

I dont think Oklahoma is 1 of the 4 best teams but in that shitshow of a conference they probably come through undefeated.

[Ksyrup]

Kentucky's slim chances against UGA took a hit today with the announcement that 2 of their DL are out and their second best WR option is doubtful. Of course, a couple of them were out versus LSU too, but... Losing Oxendine for the year is huge.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by bob

Is a road win against #14 enough to get into the playoff? I know #23 SMU is out there, but even then.

I think it depends. Always relative to what happens elsewhere. I also think it matters how you play against teams that aren't good - i.e. are you squeaking by or are you impressive every week, etc.

Always have to balance it against what other teams are doing though. Obviously Alabama's loss means it's possible only one SEC team gets into the playoff, and that means another spot possibly for someone else like Cincinnati. If Oklahoma had lost that would be another opening.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by tarcone

OR Iowa has such a dominating defense that it ruined 3 ranked teams seasons.

But that's not what happened. They were behind 17-3 when the injury happened. If it's 3-3, then yes that's a legit argument. Iowa still absolutely deserves credit for winning the game, but the manner in which they won also matters. If Iowa loses a close road game somewhere, I think it's up to how they perform in the conference championship game, but I can definitely see that keeping them out depending on what happens elsewhere.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by tarcone

OR Iowa has such a dominating defense that it ruined 3 ranked teams seasons.

Perspective.

Blame the messenger all you want, but depending on the PSU QB, Iowa may not have a single ranked team on the schedule by the time they get to the championship game. If that's the case, they can't afford a loss. If they win out, they'll get in, but their schedule won't look good by the end of the season.

Compare that to the B1G East where MSU, PSU, OSU, and UM are all going to play each other and then face a likely undefeated Iowa team. OSU needs to win out, but the other three can afford one loss before the championship game because their schedule is still going to look good at the end of November.

[tarcone]

And those 4 teams are going to be beat to shit when they face Iowa, who hits like a freight train.

Iowa has the advantage in this, they beat the last real competition who has the best D Iowa will face this season. And Iowa scored 23 against that defense and won.

by the way, 28 straight games holding opponents under 25, makes scoring 23 almost a win every game doesnt it?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by tarcone

And those 4 teams are going to be beat to shit when they face Iowa, who hits like a freight train.

Iowa has the advantage in this, they beat the last real competition who has the best D Iowa will face this season. And Iowa scored 23 against that defense and won.

by the way, 28 straight games holding opponents under 25, makes scoring 23 almost a win every game doesnt it?

As Steve Perry says "Don't stop believin"

I'm not believing they can beat AL or GA but I respect your enthusiasm, and you are due. If AR was #2, I'd be smack talking just like you

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by tarcone

And those 4 teams are going to be beat to shit when they face Iowa, who hits like a freight train.

I know nothing reminds me more of 'beat to shit' than a 3-point loss on the road. What really demonstrates what that actually means is what Georgia has been doing

[Edward64]

Lots of love for the Hogs in the article. I don't think it'll break the season if we lose but beating Auburn will definitely help the rest of the season. Tough for (fans) morale if we are 1-3 vs 2-2 against SEC opponents.

Hogs are 3.5 favorites right now.

Rivals.com - Hit or Miss: Midseason review of the SEC

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I know nothing reminds me more of 'beat to shit' than a 3-point loss on the road. What really demonstrates what that actually means is what Georgia has been doing

What I meant was that MSU, scUM, tOSU, and PsU still have to play each other and they could beat the shit out of each other which means they will be sore and tired when they play Iowa in the B1G championship game.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

On that Michigan pass interference at the end of the half, did they explain whey the spot was placed at the 3? The LOS was like the 15 yard line. They called the interference at the 3 and spot it there instead of half the distance. I didn't have the sound on that game at the time.

DPI is only half the distance when it occurs in the EZ and the ball is snapped at the 2 or on a Try. It is either 15 yards or a spot foul if within 15. If the ball is on the 15 and the foul is in the EZ the ball is placed at the 2 yard line.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

DPI is only half the distance when it occurs in the EZ and the ball is snapped at the 2 or on a Try. It is either 15 yards or a spot foul if within 15. If the ball is on the 15 and the foul is in the EZ the ball is placed at the 2 yard line.

like you would know

[cuervo72]

Does LSU's secondary have any clue as to what their job is?

[cuervo72]

What was 31 doing???

[Edward64]

Hogs are struggling. They aren't in sync but still in the game with 1 score behind. They better get their act together in 4Q.

BTW, we went for 2 and that really looked like pass interference to me.

[Ksyrup]

Hashtag Grantham'd

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Hashtag Grantham'd

Every time Grantham gets criticized, he makes another million dollars on his next contract.

[JonInMiddleGA]

WTF Iowa?

[cuervo72]

Crap. Called that going into the commercial.

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

DPI is only half the distance when it occurs in the EZ and the ball is snapped at the 2 or on a Try. It is either 15 yards or a spot foul if within 15. If the ball is on the 15 and the foul is in the EZ the ball is placed at the 2 yard line.

Thanks for the response. I think I have this right but it has been a week so I may be a little off.

- Ball snapped at the 15.
-DPI took place around the 4 or 5 yard line
- Ball landed oob but perhaps past the goal line. I'd have to see the play again to be sure.
-ball spotted at the 3 yard line

Should the spot have been the 3 yard line given this info?

Sidenote: I've started the process to get back into basketball reffing. It has been 20+ years but I'm looking forward to it. I paid my way through college by reffing/umping.

Found the play. Ball does land past the coal line.

https://youtu.be/fKAuAupWADw

[Lathum]

Someone needs to do a welfare check on Tarcone...

[bob]

I’m sure he’s OK and working on his post about how the Iowa coaching staff all needs to be fired

[tarcone]

We have been exposed. I imagine we lose one or 2 more. Miss the B1G champ game and go to the outback. Same shit different year.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by tarcone

We have been exposed. I imagine we lose one or 2 more. Miss the B1G champ game and go to the outback. Same shit different year.

I can feel that frustration. It is the worse.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Honestly, Kentucky ain't bad.

They're just overmatched.

First team to get pressure on Georgia consistently will beat them ... question is, who (if anybody) will do it.

[bob]

As much as I hate them, you know what's most impressive with Georgia? They almost always make the tackle at first impact, none of this first guy misses and 7 more yards crap

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by tarcone

We have been exposed. I imagine we lose one or 2 more. Miss the B1G champ game and go to the outback. Same shit different year.

As a Lions fan I feed on despair.

Yummy

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bob

As much as I hate them, you know what's most impressive with Georgia? They almost always make the tackle at first impact, none of this first guy misses and 7 more yards crap

And then there's their opposite: the Miami "We tackle with our wrists" Hurricanes

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Honestly, Kentucky ain't bad.

They're just overmatched.

First team to get pressure on Georgia consistently will beat them ... question is, who (if anybody) will do it.

Florida maybe? That defense looked super bad today. though.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Florida maybe? That defense looked super bad today. though.

You'd have to be kinda nuts to try to throw on UF right now, there doesn't appear to be much need to.

[GrantDawg]

I like that Mark Stoops is still trying to grind out this last score. It will be good for his team going into the rest of the season.

[GrantDawg]

Jalen Carter is just ridiculous.

[bob]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I like that Mark Stoops is still trying to grind out this last score. It will be good for his team going into the rest of the season.

I assumed he has money on Kentucky and the spread

[cuervo72]

*exhales*

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And then there's their opposite: the Miami "We tackle with our wrists" Hurricanes

Kansas: What's a "tackle"?

SI

[sovereignstar v2]

giggity giggity

[cuervo72]

That was a pretty nice throw.

[sovereignstar v2]

Minnesota is now 35-25-2 against Nebraska.

[Brian Swartz]

My condolences to Edward and tarcone. Letdown losses are painful.

Michigan State gets their close call but survives. Oklahoma could make it a really special day by losing to TCU, but I think the Texas game was their best shot to do that.

[Brian Swartz]

I've said it before, but I detest college football overtime. I can't think of a rule in sports that grinds my gears more.

[NobodyHere]

Has anyone heard from tarcone in the last few hours?