My Oakland Raiders looking great in preseason.

[bulletsponge]

wow i knew the Steelers were the luckiest Superbowl winner last year, and the most overrated this year. but damn losing to the Raiders is proof that they lost thier edge

[jbmagic]

Raiders coming along nicely now.

They play great defense all Season so far. Just look at their defensive stats. They near the top in a lot of defensive categories. And they are young and getting better.

Its their offense that needs to get better and they will be ok.

[jbmagic]

dola

Net yards passing= 17 yards only ouch
Lucky their defense score 2 TD today to give them the win.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

You're a dick sometimes, you know that? Anyhow, I had a few responses for you but I couldn't settle on one:

1. Yeah, I'll brag about them. The Cards are World Champions (in baseball)!
2. Considering the Raiders were "underdogs" sure.
3. Since they're supposedly the worst team in the NFL, were they supposed to win?

Pick one.

Fixed.

[RedKingGold]

Bump in honor of Tyler Brayton

[Ragone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVc3C0D4Ihw

This pretty well sums up the thread i think

[Ksyrup]

After watching last night's game, I think I finally found my JV team's offense. Back in 1983, I was in 7th grade and played DE on the junior high JV team. We went 0-6 and our offense failed to gain a first down the entire year. It was basically 3 plays, -20 yards, and punt for 15 yards. Over and over.

There were two highlights of the year (for me): first, I dislocated our QBs shoulder in practice, knocking him out for the season (which he should have thanked me for), and second, in wind sprints before our last game of the season, I outran our starting RB in a 60-yard dash. Yes, our offense sucked that bad.

Thank you, Raiders, for letting me relive my glory years.

[rkmsuf]

Someone with a sense of humor over at NBC should utilize the flex scheduling to get the Raiders another Sunday night game.

[Ksyrup]

Someone with a sense of humor...and a new job already lined up.

[SunDevil]

Shell takes offense to Walters' critique of, well, offense


Nov. 13, 2006
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports


ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Art Shell took issue with quarterback Andrew Walter's criticisms of the Oakland Raiders' struggling offense and appears ready to make a switch back to Aaron Brooks.

Walter took shots at coordinator Tom Walsh's offense after Sunday's 17-13 loss to Denver, saying there is not enough "depth" in the playbook, the offense was too predictable and that the team needed to utilize more quick-developing plays than five- and seven-step drops.

That didn't sit well with Shell, who has fiercely defended Walsh all season long from criticisms that he is out of touch after being away from the NFL for more than a decade.

"You have to be accountable for what you do," Shell said Monday. "To start making statements about what's in and what's not in, then you need to take a hard look at what's there. Obviously, I don't want to get into a contest with a young man, but for him to come out and say those things, (that's) totally off-base as far as I'm concerned."

Walter was unavailable for comment Monday, but had plenty to say after Oakland's latest loss.

"We need to make it more complex," Walter said, referring to the Raiders' playbook. "I'd like more swing routes, flat routes, short stuff. There are certain things I'd like to see."

Shell did not respond to criticisms of the offense and coaching staff earlier in the season from receiver Randy Moss, saying everyone can "speak their mind." But the coach wasn't as accepting of the comments from Walter, who is in his second year in the NFL.

"When you speak out, you need to know what you're talking about when you make those statements," Shell said. "You can speak out. I've said that before. Guys are capable of speaking out, but when you start going out and you start airing your laundry in public, then you've got to have some accountability for that, too."

Shell said Walter's comments wouldn't play into the decision about who would start at quarterback Sunday at Kansas City, but he appears ready to give the job back to Brooks.

Brooks began the season as the starter before straining a pectoral muscle in the first quarter of the second game. The injury took longer to heal than the Raiders originally thought, giving Walter an extensive opportunity to prove he was ready to be an NFL starter.

Brooks returned to practice two weeks ago and said Monday he's ready to play in games as soon as the coaches give him the go-ahead.

"I'm going to take a hard look at it and see where we are with him," Shell said. "He's been throwing the last couple of weeks. I thought last week he threw the ball a whole lot better. ... I think he's very close. We'll see how he goes."

Brooks, who was just 6-for-14 for 68 yards before getting hurt, said the problems on the NFL's worst offense are more about execution than play calling. Brooks has made 84 starts in his career and said he believed he gives the team a better chance to win than the inexperienced Walter does.

"I think we have a greater chance," Brooks said. "I possess some skills that with my experience gives us a greater chance."

Walter has shown sporadic signs of success, but needs to do much more to overcome a poor offensive line. Walter has completed just 48.1 percent of his passes and thrown only three touchdowns and nine interceptions. He has also lost seven fumbles and been sacked 40 times.

Walter said he has asked for changes in the offense and the coaches have sometimes listened to his suggestions.

Shell said Walsh's offense runs many of the same plays as other teams in the NFL and does not call more deep drops than many other teams. He also said that the players have more say on what plays get called than he has seen in the past.

Shell also was upset about comments made by Moss, who blamed his frequent dropped passes this season on a loss of focus because he's not happy with what's going on around the team.

"My concentration and focus level tends to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood," Moss said. "So all I can say is if you put me in a good situation and make me happy, man, you get good results."

Shell said he "hates" to hear comments like that.

"You're paid to play a game that you've played for many years and that you love and once you hit the field, you compete," Shell said. "That's the way I see it."

[Crim]

Art Shell is running a trainwreck over there in Oaktown. I love it!

[Rizon]

Well, Walter's is right. Sure, the guy is just not NFL starter or backup quality, but he's right (he'll be out of the NFL in less than 4 years).

Shell and Walsh just simply terrible and do not belong in the NFL anymore.

[Vince]

I don't know that Walter won't be successful as at least a backup somewhere -- the fact that he has had ANY success (3 TDs, nearly 50% completion percentage) with that O-Line seems amazing.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Just watched the NFL Replay of the Raiders/KC game. That Brooks INT at the end of the game in the endzone as the Raiders were poised to win was "Classic Brooks." Just hilarious.

[Brillig]

Houston Texans.

[Oilers9911]

Originally Posted by Brillig

Houston Texans.

And a staggering -5 net passing yards.

[bulletsponge]

that was good enough to beat the Raiders

[Oilers9911]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

that was good enough to beat the Raiders

Which tells you everything you need to know about the Raiders.

[Raiders Army]

That was an ugly, ugly game. John Shoop gives me more hope than Tom Walsh. It was definitely in the execution (Randal Williams, two consecutive plays, two consecutive fumbles lost).

[Ksyrup]

It's too bad they accidentally gave Shell a defense, because if they were even mediocre on D, this could well be one of the worst NFL teams of all time.

[Rizon]

I made this last year, but it's time to bring it back again.

[Passacaglia]

While cleaning out my mailbox, I found this snippet from back before Week 1, that a friend sent to me:

Chargers (-3) over RAIDERS
I'll leave you with this: Apparently the European version of "Madden" has a glitch where, if you're playing in superstar mode and not controlling the QB, he'll throw the football backward on every play. I mention this not because it's a funny YouTube clip, but because the person who posted that YouTube clip called it, "the Aaron Brooks glitch." In other words, they decided to name the glitch after the real-life QB who's most likely to throw the ball 35 yards backward during a game. And you wonder why I'm laying the three.

Quote doesn't catch the link, but here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxanEBhUmec

[Butter]

Just read the NFL play-by-play recap, and I have to say that I can't wait for the rolling behemoth that is the Oakland Raiders to come to Cincy this week. I just hope they don't rise up like the Lions did this week. As it stands, I don't look to have much reason to worry.

How do you lose a game where you hold the other QB to 32 yards passing? I guess the same question could be asked of Minnesota.

[Neuqua]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

That was an ugly, ugly game. John Shoop gives me more hope than Tom Walsh.

And therein lies your problem. Trust me.

- Bears fan.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Rizon

I made this last year, but it's time to bring it back again.

You have a bug. Radio buttons can't have multiple options selected. You need checkboxes instead.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

You have a bug. Radio buttons can't have multiple options selected. You need checkboxes instead.

The other problem is that under "When to commit penalties?", the "never" option should be grayed out.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

That was an ugly, ugly game. John Shoop gives me more hope than Tom Walsh. It was definitely in the execution (Randal Williams, two consecutive plays, two consecutive fumbles lost).

If you're a fan of wide receiver screens on 3rd and long and not a single play in the playbook that has a receiver running a route further than 5 yards downfield John Shoop is your guy.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Atocep

If you're a fan of wide receiver screens on 3rd and long and not a single play in the playbook that has a receiver running a route further than 5 yards downfield John Shoop is your guy.

You can't expect Randy Moss to run hard for more than 5 yards so he's a perfect fit.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Rizon

I made this last year, but it's time to bring it back again.

this is a thread that just keeps getting better and better

[Esquared1]

You can always play "Art Shell Bingo".

hxxp://www.beachwoodreporter.com/sports/overunder_13.php#more

[Pumpy Tudors]

lol raiders lol

[Raiders Army]

I'm not sure what will happen first: The Raiders get a winning season or the US will pull out of Iraq.

[JediKooter]

One things for sure (I think), they won't pick a place kicker or a punter in the first round of the draft.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

One things for sure (I think), they won't pick a place kicker or a punter in the first round of the draft.

dont underestimate Al Davis!

[k0ruptr]

they should draft Greg Oden and turn the raiders into an nba team. They definetly have enough thugs for it.

[SirFozzie]

"And with the first pick in the 2007 NFL draft.. The Oakland Raiders select.."

(yes this is piling on, and I do kinda feel bad.. but hell, Piling On is what FOFC does best!)

[Logan]

Like a fine wine, this thread is...

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Logan

Like a fine wine, this thread is...

Full of sour grapes?

SI

[Ksyrup]

Freaking Lions don't even know how to lose right!

[Oilers9911]

That's ok, The Raiders will draft Brady Quinn and he'll end up being Joey Harrington so the Lions will be happy with #2.

[Oilers9911]

Dola. Where the hell is jb to tell us all that the Raiders were a play or two away from 6-10?

[PackerFanatic]

And the Lions will just end up at drafting a wideout and eventually the city of Detroit will stand up and lynch Matt Millen.

[Ksyrup]

Calvin Johnson will go to Detroit at #2.

[st.cronin]

Remember when jb could start threads?

[Rizon]

The Raiders were the best 2-14 team this year, at least.

[Raiders Army]

If you can't be #1 in January, be #1 in April!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Oilers9911

Dola. Where the hell is jb to tell us all that the Raiders were a play or two away from 6-10?

Of course, he'd fail to notice that, given their record, the Raiders are necessarily at least four plays from being 6-10.

[Desnudo]

If you want to crown them, crown their ass

[Oilers9911]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

If you want to crown them, crown their ass

The Raiders are what we thought they'd be......
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Horseshit

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Oilers9911

Dola. Where the hell is jb to tell us all that the Raiders were a play or two away from 6-10?

I guess he's been invisibanned.