Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[claphamsa]

im nto really excited about voting for anyone....

[hoopsguy]

Also, Day 1 options included:
- pawn shop
- fortune teller
- pottery shop

I wish I had submitted a Day 2 action because without doing so I don't have information. Particularly in a game where the format is unknown, I really value information and I'm annoyed with myself for not getting the order in. Busy day ... blah blah blah ... I still should have paid more attention, read the thread, understood the requirements like just about everyone else did.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I've been pleased with the work mccollins has done in collecting information and asking questions so far this game.

[hoopsguy]

Is there an updated vote count? I haven't seen one in awhile and would prefer to vote for someone with a meaningful chance of getting lynched.

I still remain somewhat suspicious of Jackal, but if it looks like a long-shot to get movement on him then I probably don't go that direction.

I think there is some value in looking at Sonic Youth, as it gives us an idea of the value of yesterday's vote. However, if the wolves have not yet "matured" then there is clearly no value in yesterday's vote. So I'm not pushing this quite as hard as I usually would.

[path12]

Does anyone have a vote count? I'm too busy to put one together.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I still remain somewhat suspicious of Jackal, but if it looks like a long-shot to get movement on him then I probably don't go that direction.

For what, the second vote on clap?

[The Jackal]

Also, I'm considering switching to PB. My reasoning is similar to Pass, just a hunch. He hasn't had much pressure on him and has seemed overwhelmingly neutral, if that makes sense. I held off being the first because I didn't want it to look like I was bitter after last game, even though I am.

[The Jackal]

dola, and there's the whole voting trends surrounding him, a bit fishy.

[The Jackal]

Ill put together a vote count.

[The Jackal]

Sonic Youth (3) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
jeheinz72 (1) - path12 (559)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
PurdueBrad (1) - Passacaglia (646)

[st.cronin]

3 - Sonic Youth - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632)
2 - path12 - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
1 - Anxiety - nfg22 (545)
1 - TazFTW - Chief Rum (556)
1 - jeheinz72 - path12 (559)
1 - oliegirl - KWhit (605)
1 - hoopsguy - Anxiety (627)
1 - PurdueBrad - Passacaglia (646)

[The Jackal]

Ah good, now we don't have to check our work.

BTW, that Cinciwhatski reference from yesterday was to a terrible movie called 'babes in toyland' with keanu reeves and drew barrymore in it. Oh, childhood.

[Swaggs]

I have about 20 minutes to review and get my vote in.

I am almost certainly going to vote for jeheinz72 based on his odd voting behavior yesterday. Did anything come up today, that I may have missed, that helped his cause? Otherwise, I think his behavior would easily justify an early vote.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I have about 20 minutes to review and get my vote in.

I am almost certainly going to vote for jeheinz72 based on his odd voting behavior yesterday. Did anything come up today, that I may have missed, that helped his cause? Otherwise, I think his behavior would easily justify an early vote.

Nothing has really come up. The people that were with him on the safari originally have vouched for him, going off the idea that if they didn't turn into wolves, then he probably didn't either. But that doesn't mean he's trustworthy. Donno, the vote switching seemed a little odd but I think he tried to explain it at some point.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I have about 20 minutes to review and get my vote in.

I am almost certainly going to vote for jeheinz72 based on his odd voting behavior yesterday. Did anything come up today, that I may have missed, that helped his cause? Otherwise, I think his behavior would easily justify an early vote.

What was the odd vote behavior, can you elaborate?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I feel compelled to explain

I voted for Anxiety to get a vote out there. I didn't have any candidates really, and he's always crafty and screws me over in the end (in the past)

I changed to Cronin then since no one else voted Anxiety, and I wasn't a gigantic fan of the clap or SY options, so as to present a 3rd option. When I voted I thought he had 1 vote on him (post 354, unofficially shows 2 on him, then PB unvotes him in the post before mine)

I then changed from Cronin to SY albeit late because A) I abhor ties and B) I thought SY's explaination of where he was (in-game, the Ruins) seemed convenient, as it was the one spot that no one reallly "saw" anyone else at. A low-risk move.

Basically I was willing to stick my neck out a bit to avoid the tie, though I was still too late.

I'd think though, if one is inclined to believe Anxiety, that I'd be good in their eyes, given that my vote was an ineffective attempt to "save" claphamsa, who the fortune teller told him was good.

theres his explanation

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

What was the odd vote behavior, can you elaborate?

voting for one person without any votes, switching to another without any votes (while there were two candidates with increasing votes), and then switching after the deadline onto one of the two (SY)

[oliegirl]

OK, I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for SY. I know it sucks that he's in Austrailia and has the problem with times, but my reason for voting for him remains the same as yesterday. I'm willing to give Path and Hoops the benefit of the doubt right now...

VOTE SONIC YOUTH

[Swaggs]

He tried to switch his vote 2-minutes after the deadline and, if I am not mistaken, he switched his vote two other times before that. He also indicated that he was trying to switch his vote to avoid a tie, even though SY (who he changed his vote to) was already two votes ahead.

Not much to go on, but pretty odd behavior for day 1.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

What was the odd vote behavior, can you elaborate?

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

theres his explanation

It is an attempt, but all it really does is help with explaining the early changes.

He was actively posting as the deadline was approaching and then made the change, after the deadline, even though the person he voted for was already comfortably out ahead in the voting.

[st.cronin]

I feel like this is like day 1 of a standard game, since there have been no kills.

[path12]

I agree with the odd voting behavior which is why I voted for him. I plan to keep it there unless I have to move for self-preservation reasons.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

It is an attempt, but all it really does is help with explaining the early changes.

He was actively posting as the deadline was approaching and then made the change, after the deadline, even though the person he voted for was already comfortably out ahead in the voting.

well, the vote did end up being tied

[Barkeep49]

Cronin, I HATE lying as a villager. Especially in this case with so many unknowns.

Vote st.cronin

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Cronin, I HATE lying as a villager. Especially in this case with so many unknowns.

I understand this, but I didn't actually lie: What I did was hint at taking one possible action, then take another. Fake left, go right.

[claphamsa]

as it stands im probalby gonna vote cronin, BK where didhe lie?

[claphamsa]

oh.

[The Jackal]

Sonic Youth (4) - Raiders Army (597), jeheinz72 (612), The Jackal (632), oliegirl (668)
path12 (2) - Qwikshot (573), Lathum (635)
Anxiety (1) - nfg22 (545)
TazFTW (1) - Chief Rum (556)
jeheinz72 (1) - path12 (559)
oliegirl (1) - KWhit (605)
hoopsguy (1) - Anxiety (627)
PurdueBrad (1) - Passacaglia (646)
st.cronin (1) - Barkeep49 (674)

not voting (9) - claphamsa, st.cronin, hoopsguy, PurdueBrad, Sonic Youth, ntndeacon, mccollins, TazFTW, Swaggs

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

It is an attempt, but all it really does is help with explaining the early changes.

He was actively posting as the deadline was approaching and then made the change, after the deadline, even though the person he voted for was already comfortably out ahead in the voting.

No he wasn't (ahead). Alan confirmed it was a tie, and since mine missed the deadline it was a tie when I attempted to do it.

I was voting to break the ties.

Anx's vote was to get a vote in.

The cronin vote was admiteddly stupid. I was trying to get a 3rd candidate up there, and went off of a mistaken post count posted shortly before when I did it. At the time, I thought he had a vote on him. I can reference the posts if anyone would like.

[Swaggs]

I'm out of time.

I'm not sure either way, but something just didn't seem right about the actions yesterday. I know that for me, on day 1, if I am a villager and am not in danger, I'm trying not advance and survive by keeping a low profile. I think the behavior of jeheinz72, since he was not in danger, was pretty out of the ordinary.

Vote jeheinz72

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I understand this, but I didn't actually lie: What I did was hint at taking one possible action, then take another. Fake left, go right.

Ok you're right it's not a lie. I fail to see, however, what you were trying to accomplish with the juke.

[Barkeep49]

Are we clear from Alan that yesterday was indeed a tie?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

It is an attempt, but all it really does is help with explaining the early changes.

He was actively posting as the deadline was approaching and then made the change, after the deadline, even though the person he voted for was already comfortably out ahead in the voting.

Well, the vote became a tie @ #381 right at 3:00pm and jeheinz has another post of discussion after that. Heinz's vote at #387 really would have been breaking the tie.

All the vote hopping at the deadline is very interesting! I'm curious to see what the next hour will entail!

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The final vote yesterday was as others stated:

(7) Claphamsa - Chief RUm (246), The Jackal (247), Anxiety (297), qwikshot (334), barkeep (340), sonicyouth (368), ntndeacon (372)
(7) Sonic Youth - Raiders Army (322), Oliegirl (333), Passacaglia (338), mccollins (341), clapamsa (356), purduebrad (359), Hoopsguy (381)
(1) oliegirl - Swaggs (343)
(1) st.cronin - jeheinz72 (360)
(1) Nfg22 - Lathum (262)

This is just an official statement as such so there isn't any confusion.

yes

[Barkeep49]

Thanks. You've been all over stuff this game.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Are we clear from Alan that yesterday was indeed a tie?

Yes.

And I don't even know myself, specifically what I was hoping to accomplish - generally I was hoping that putting that hint out there might cause a wolf to make an incorrect assumption, and make a mistake.

[The Jackal]

it'll be odd if Taz doesn't vote two days in a row

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The final vote yesterday was as others stated:

(7) Claphamsa - Chief RUm (246), The Jackal (247), Anxiety (297), qwikshot (334), barkeep (340), sonicyouth (368), ntndeacon (372)
(7) Sonic Youth - Raiders Army (322), Oliegirl (333), Passacaglia (338), mccollins (341), clapamsa (356), purduebrad (359), Hoopsguy (381)
(1) oliegirl - Swaggs (343)
(1) st.cronin - jeheinz72 (360)
(1) Nfg22 - Lathum (262)

This is just an official statement as such so there isn't any confusion.

Yes, Alan confirmed it was a tie.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Thanks. You've been all over stuff this game.

thats why we let him in~!

[claphamsa]

vote cronin

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm out of time.

I'm not sure either way, but something just didn't seem right about the actions yesterday. I know that for me, on day 1, if I am a villager and am not in danger, I'm trying not advance and survive by keeping a low profile. I think the behavior of jeheinz72, since he was not in danger, was pretty out of the ordinary.

Vote jeheinz72

That's fine, I take a different approach to it (right now I'm a vanilla villager, should I die, the team on the whole looses very little).

I get your point, c'est la vie. I just think we missed a good opportunity yesterday do get some data points via votes, hence my desire to break a tie. Hence my vote on SY today (to re-get those points of reference).

It's a bit tricky given that not all wolves may be wolves yet, but I think missing opportunities hurt us. There are some people playing for the cruise to just end though, IIRC.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yes.

And I don't even know myself, specifically what I was hoping to accomplish - generally I was hoping that putting that hint out there might cause a wolf to make an incorrect assumption, and make a mistake.

If you had made a lot more posts carrying it on that you did the drugs, I'd be more suspicious. However, it was just the one throwaway comment and then you were busy in RL.

[st.cronin]

By the way, Barkeep, as far as I can tell there's no way for anybody to verify whether I did drugs or not.

[The Jackal]

ill be around until the deadline so ill keep posting updated vote counts everytime there's 2 or 3 changes

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

By the way, Barkeep, as far as I can tell there's no way for anybody to verify whether I did drugs or not.

That's hardly reassuring

[PurdueBrad]

To those voting me, I get it, I've switched a ton this game. Basically I'm over-thinking the day one thing. Although two of my switches are easily defensible, I misunderstood, as did a couple others, what mccollins said on day one (being in character) and my vote on hoops was under the incorrect assumption that we had a no lynch due to not having a majority rather than a tie. Once mccollins explained his comment and we got verification that last night was a tie, I abandoned both votes.

Now, Pass did point out one interesting thing, and that is the trends that have followed two of my votes. I was wondering about a manufactured run but frankly, I'm not sure we have all the wolves out there yet. But I have wondered about the same thing Pass.

That being said, since our server seems to go haywire everyday between noon and two, I'll throw a vote in, same as last night:

vote Sonic Youth

[st.cronin]

dola, what I mean is: Given that we were all villagers on the day I posted "I've been known to experiment", and you think its wolfish to lie, you have to assume I'm lying NOW, and that I did in fact take the drugs. Just trying to make everything clear for everybody.

[The Jackal]

Turning into a Sonic run. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that, but then again.. not sure I want to risk another tie. Since we don't know what victory conditions are for the wolves and it looks to be a limited time frame, everyone staying alive isn't necessarily a good thing.

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to be out heading towards the deadline (2PM CST meeting) so I'm going to get my vote in now. Pretty unlikely to change between now and deadline.

It has been awhile since I played with PurdueBrad, but in his earlier games he was pretty consistent with his thought process, right or wrong. This game he has been more than willing to adapt his thought process (as reflected by votes) multiple times on each day. Maybe he has adapted his playing style, but this raised an eyebrow from me yesterday even before he was 2nd man voting for me today.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[mccollins]

Unofficially, I think that's 5-2-2-2 for Sonic Youth, Path12, jeheinz72, and St. Cronin