WW LII -- Clue (SOCIALITES WIN)

[LoneStarGirl]

You guys are all confusing the hell out of me. This is a lot of pages for only two days worth of Werewolf.... But I think going between saldana and alant is a good idea for toinght, I just dont know which one to pick yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by path12

One.

ditto...one

[DaddyTorgo]

i've thought about it at lunch

VOTE SALDANA

Alan was out of the gate early with his info. knowing him and how he would have read the rules already and all I doubt he would have done that and pinned himself to any piece of information if it wasn't true.

which means mr. saldana is a wolf

[path12]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

question for everyone:

I'm not looking for you answers, just a number

Of the 3 things you submitted last night to Pass (Who/Where/What) how many clues did you get back?

If you did like I did and put in info you already knew don't include that. It just seemed odd to me that I put in two unknowns and only got back one result and want to see if that held true for everyone else too.

I'd also be interested in seeing how many put down cronin for their guess.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

question for everyone:

I'm not looking for you answers, just a number

Of the 3 things you submitted last night to Pass (Who/Where/What) how many clues did you get back?

If you did like I did and put in info you already knew don't include that. It just seemed odd to me that I put in two unknowns and only got back one result and want to see if that held true for everyone else too.

I put in three unknowns last night. I only got one back (The room) and got no information on the weapon or person that I asked about. The person I asked about has since been cleared by someone else though. (Crim)

[DaddyTorgo]

and i dispute the fact that my contributions havn't been helpful path. it's anything but busywork...i have a nice color-coded spreadsheet with like...6 columns over here. even if it's only helpful to me it's helpful...and getting multiple views on people will certainly be helpful in trying to pin down lies.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

I'd also be interested in seeing how many put down cronin for their guess.

I have a good reason for not choosing Cronin last night. I personally felt after day 1, he was the only one of the 5 uncleared (when I submitted my suggestion.. ntn cleared crim after I sent mine in) that I felt strongly might be it.. I felt it so strong that I felt he was a shoe in for the FBI to scan him last night (as I said this morning).. I figured the FBI's only job is to pinpoint the murderer, once he finds him he will reveal and it will be an easy read.. so I went a different direction.

I can only guess the FBI agent scanned someone else last night instead

[LoneStarGirl]

Vote Saldana

I am going to have to leave very soon and will be out until after deadline

[LoneStarGirl]

Anybody have an updated list of the cleared rooms? I have 9 on my list and I thought there were two more mentioned but I can't find them

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

and i dispute the fact that my contributions havn't been helpful path. it's anything but busywork...i have a nice color-coded spreadsheet with like...6 columns over here. even if it's only helpful to me it's helpful...and getting multiple views on people will certainly be helpful in trying to pin down lies.

I always like to keep careful track when I'm a wolf also.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Number 5 is that they could possibly be a socialite. However, they should have checked in that way, as others did, since there are plenty of roles out there.

just a thought, but perhaps we all decided to be "nameless" socialites so as not to become an easy target for the MURDERER?

Your argument isn't making much sense path, I'm willing to hear you out but your numbered logic fails miserably to prove anything.

[Swaggs]

I'm gonna go ahead and vote early, since I don't have a lot of time again.

Vote No Lynch

I figure that I haven't really gotten a good grasp on things just yet and that I won't be around at the deadline, so I want to get a vote in without doing anything damaging should concrete information emerge down the road.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by path12

I always like to keep careful track when I'm a wolf also.

i'm not a wolf though

[Neon_Chaos]

Does anyone have a vote count?

I still haven't put in my vote, and I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for yet. Reading through all the posts.

[DaddyTorgo]

i's is with RendeR on this one. i would expect that all the "special role" people checked in as nameless socialites. it's the only sensible thing to do.

Swaggs...not a vote for saldana or alan?

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

just a thought, but perhaps we all decided to be "nameless" socialites so as not to become an easy target for the MURDERER?

Your argument isn't making much sense path, I'm willing to hear you out but your numbered logic fails miserably to prove anything.

Most wolves try to claim vanilla. Also, JE and Lathum both checked in as nameless socialites. You'll notice many checked in as socialite, or just checked in and didn't mention anything, etc, etc. The three I've named specifically checked in as nameless.

It's just fundamentals IMO. You try and find people who do or say something contrary to what they've said before.

Besides, you got a better idea?

[DaddyTorgo]

better idea would be to vote saldana or cronin IMO

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

I always like to keep careful track when I'm a wolf also.

And this seems odd too, as a wolf you don't need to keep track of much at all, you let the village do the dirty work for you and simply prod them in one direction or another.

Villagers keep meticulous notes, IE look at the spreadsheet work telle and others have done in the past, hell she's got ME doing it too and it makes sense. As villagers we HAVE to check every piece of information, but wolves don't, they shouldn't ever need to put themselves in a position to need in depth analysis.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm kind of interested with Mrs. White's role. She can off anyone, anywehere, anytime she wants. Has anyone discussed her role's apparent useful and/or debilitating nature?

It's certainly a double-edged sword. She could hit a villager, if uninformed, and basically speed everything up for the wolves by a day. Or, she could hit a wolf or the murderer and give a tremendous boost to the villagers.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

just a thought, but perhaps we all decided to be "nameless" socialites so as not to become an easy target for the MURDERER?

Your argument isn't making much sense path, I'm willing to hear you out but your numbered logic fails miserably to prove anything.

I'd also say that since you just checked in as a socialite, yet have shown that you don't know Peacock, that you have a role. Which is cool. I don't know which one.

I don't really mind if anyone goes with this or not, my ego is not wrapped up in this. But I'm willing to bet that two of the three I named will end up being bad.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Most wolves try to claim vanilla. Also, JE and Lathum both checked in as nameless socialites. You'll notice many checked in as socialite, or just checked in and didn't mention anything, etc, etc. The three I've named specifically checked in as nameless.

It's just fundamentals IMO. You try and find people who do or say something contrary to what they've said before.

Besides, you got a better idea?

Right now? Lynching you is climbing my charts. You're carrying on a very illogical, mis-conclusioned argument. pointing here and there and honestly never making specific charges, but also offering no real solid info to back anything up.

If you read the rules at all you would claim to be a nameless socialite because those are the only people who are not direct and specific targets of someone. You're claim that people using that is suspicious is, well...dumb? It goes against the very setup of the game to assume anything particular about that claim as it is the BASE claim everyone should be making to protect themselves.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

but wolves don't, they shouldn't ever need to put themselves in a position to need in depth analysis.

They should. It stops them from contradicting themselves.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I'm kind of interested with Mrs. White's role. She can off anyone, anywehere, anytime she wants. Has anyone discussed her role's apparent useful and/or debilitating nature?

It's certainly a double-edged sword. She could hit a villager, if uninformed, and basically speed everything up for the wolves by a day. Or, she could hit a wolf or the murderer and give a tremendous boost to the villagers.

I think Mrs.White should go after either Cronin or Saldana whichever one doesnt get lynched today.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Right now? Lynching you is climbing my charts. You're carrying on a very illogical, mis-conclusioned argument. pointing here and there and honestly never making specific charges, but also offering no real solid info to back anything up.

If you read the rules at all you would claim to be a nameless socialite because those are the only people who are not direct and specific targets of someone. You're claim that people using that is suspicious is, well...dumb? It goes against the very setup of the game to assume anything particular about that claim as it is the BASE claim everyone should be making to protect themselves.

And I think you're just rambling off on irrelavent tangents and throwing shit on the walls everywhere. Yet I'm not insulting you about it. Until then.

And if you think I've never given solid info to back it up, you're not reading what I've said, or you're not bothering to check it for yourself. That's your perogative.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by RendeR

And this seems odd too, as a wolf you don't need to keep track of much at all, you let the village do the dirty work for you and simply prod them in one direction or another.

Villagers keep meticulous notes, IE look at the spreadsheet work telle and others have done in the past, hell she's got ME doing it too and it makes sense. As villagers we HAVE to check every piece of information, but wolves don't, they shouldn't ever need to put themselves in a position to need in depth analysis.

not totally true...I have in the past as I wolf kept a chart. In a complex game as this one I could see them doing the same. A lot of people gave out a lot of info to start out and if they were trying to give out false info they would need to track it. With Lathum & JE gone and some/all of their info gone it gives them another "false positive" to gain trust out there as well.

not casting stones one way or the other here just showing both sides.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

I'd also say that since you just checked in as a socialite, yet have shown that you don't know Peacock, that you have a role. Which is cool. I don't know which one.

I don't really mind if anyone goes with this or not, my ego is not wrapped up in this. But I'm willing to bet that two of the three I named will end up being bad.

Ok path, lets get reallllllly simple here for you.

A) if I were a primary socialite I wouldn't admit it because I'd be offed.
B) If I come out and reveal Peacock, She gets offed.

So, lets see what the rather OBIVIOUS play would be......*drum roll please*


C) I keep my mouth shut about it.


Good grief, You are something, you're plying me and everyone else for info on wether they KNOW peacock as a device to find the primaries. So you're either a wolf assisting the murderer (who in turn kills off the primaries hopefully nailing the seer for you) so you can then kill him off before he wins and continue unabated.

Or you're the murderer and you just slipped up a bit. If you ARE the murderer then the two people who vouched for you are wolves, as they would have to lie about it. SNDVls was one, who was the second?

You are lighting up my wolf meter pretty badly.

[path12]

You certainly seem to be very sure of how to play this game. I'm sure nobody would do anything differently than you.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

They should. It stops them from contradicting themselves.

As another said above , in a complicated game I can see this as true. Perhaps I'm just naive because I don't see this game as all that complicated.

We find and kill the murderer (or someone accuses him and wins) then we find the wolves and win.

Its not real complicated.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Good grief, You are something, you're plying me and everyone else for info on wether they KNOW peacock as a device to find the primaries. So you're either a wolf assisting the murderer (who in turn kills off the primaries hopefully nailing the seer for you) so you can then kill him off before he wins and continue unabated.

When have I asked anybody to out Peacock? I know who Peacock is, and I'm not telling, and I don't want anyone else to either. I'm saying that those who don't are either wolves, the murderer, or a named socialite. And if you claim to be nameless when you're something else, that is a suspicious move.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

You certainly seem to be very sure of how to play this game. I'm sure nobody would do anything differently than you.

Instead of attacking me, try coming up with some plausible alternative to my statements. You're acting like a cornered canine.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

When have I asked anybody to out Peacock? I know who Peacock is, and I'm not telling, and I don't want anyone else to either. I'm saying that those who don't are either wolves, the murderer, or a named socialite. And if you claim to be nameless when you're something else, that is a suspicious move.

how is that suspicious? if the primaries came out and said they were they get KILLED, but it seems from your arguments that is exactly what you want?

Why are you beating this horse to death and further? EVERYONE should be claiming to be nameless, how can that BE suspicious? it doesn't offer any help whatsoever?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think Mrs.White should go after either Cronin or Saldana whichever one doesnt get lynched today.

That's the logical train of thought, and would have believe that Mrs. White should probably go there as well. Of course, it's a question of should she risk her using her power now, as to saving it for later but risk being killed tonight?

I've done some reading back.

VOTE ST. CRONIN

BTW, has anyone heard from Schmidty?

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

how is that suspicious? if the primaries came out and said they were they get KILLED, but it seems from your arguments that is exactly what you want?

Why are you beating this horse to death and further? EVERYONE should be claiming to be nameless, how can that BE suspicious? it doesn't offer any help whatsoever?

I guess I could ask why you're so positive I'm wrong. I could even use caps!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think Mrs.White should go after either Cronin or Saldana whichever one doesnt get lynched today.

what if we lynch cronin and mrs. white goes after saldana...then if saldana was a villager we lynch alan tomorrow?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by RendeR

As another said above , in a complicated game I can see this as true. Perhaps I'm just naive because I don't see this game as all that complicated.

We find and kill the murderer (or someone accuses him and wins) then we find the wolves and win.

Its not real complicated.

This is pretty much how I think as well.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Thats actually what I brought up. Why would you do this? My guess is that you are trying to save Cronin by adding a distraction. I know you are lying, you know that I know you are lying and while I was fairly fixated on Cronin all morning, this was the way to get me off of him.

and by "trying to save', do you mean "voting for"?

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

that seems to give us maximum "bang for our buck" in terms of covering all those bases

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by saldana

and by "trying to save', do you mean "voting for"?

If you aren't trying to save him with this move, I honestly have no idea what you are up to. Unless you just slipped up and realized it too late. I have no special role at all, so I have no problem whatsoever dying if it points us in the right direction.

Just like I said earlier I wouldn't have a problem if people voted me over Cronin then went after Cronin after my death, the same applies to you. I have no problem with people voting me out today, and doing so would only implicate Cronin as the Murderer and you as the wolf.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

dola

that seems to give us maximum "bang for our buck" in terms of covering all those bases

I agree fully, and will take it a step further... It doesn't honestly matter which order you do it in. Even if it means me first, my death would show Cronin's guilt as the murderer and Saldana's guilt as a wolf. Its just important that they aren't let off the hook by the other conversations and accusations flying around today.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

If you aren't trying to save him with this move, I honestly have no idea what you are up to. Unless you just slipped up and realized it too late. I have no special role at all, so I have no problem whatsoever dying if it points us in the right direction.

Just like I said earlier I wouldn't have a problem if people voted me over Cronin then went after Cronin after my death, the same applies to you. I have no problem with people voting me out today, and doing so would only implicate Cronin as the Murderer and you as the wolf.

i like my plan. it would allow us to take care of 2/3 of this right away. and it would leave you (who i think has the strongest possibility of being a villager) alive until tomorrow, where we would certainly know where you stood.

*then again this could be a cornered alan trying to turn it into a 2-for-1 deal, or a cornered saldana trying to do the same*

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Jesus people. I'm here just to check-a-diddily-ding-dong in and there's five damn pages to get through.

And just for RendeR -- I have a role. Dig it.

I thought I remembered this little tidbit.

If you have a role you don't know who peocock is, yet you claim to. Which is it path?

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I thought I remembered this little tidbit.

If you have a role you don't know who peocock is, yet you claim to. Which is it path?

1) I could be lying in order to try and draw wolves my way.

2) I could be a seer.

3) I could be Green.

Take your choice.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I agree fully, and will take it a step further... It doesn't honestly matter which order you do it in. Even if it means me first, my death would show Cronin's guilt as the murderer and Saldana's guilt as a wolf. Its just important that they aren't let off the hook by the other conversations and accusations flying around today.

i think you have the highest probability of being good of the 3, so i'd rather see us take out the other 2 and leave you until tomorrow, as you are quite a helpful villager presuming you are indeed good.

are there others onboard with this idea?

note: mrs. white should NOT reveal to say that he/she is onboard with the idea and who they will be targeting...they are still a "high-value" target for the murderer until the murderer is confirmed dead.

guess what i'd like see is either votes for saldana or cronin and then mrs. white send in a conditional "kill whichever one doesn't get lynched" type PM.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

I guess I could ask why you're so positive I'm wrong. I could even use caps!

Its not a matter of being wrong path, its the point that your entire argument relating to the knowledge of peacock is just rubbish.

Answer me: how can claiming to be a nameless socialite, since that is the only claim tha is safe for any and every player to make, be considered suspicious?

I went back through and found at least 6 people claiming that and most everyone else just used ssociliate. How does that help anything?

If I'm a wolf I claim nameless because it lumps me into the vast majority or players.

If I'm a primary I HAVE to claim this or risk becoming a murderer target too early in the game.

What other options do we have path?

This continued pointless arguement and my noted snippet above makes me:

VOTE PATH12

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i think you have the highest probability of being good of the 3, so i'd rather see us take out the other 2 and leave you until tomorrow, as you are quite a helpful villager presuming you are indeed good.

are there others onboard with this idea?

note: mrs. white should NOT reveal to say that he/she is onboard with the idea and who they will be targeting...they are still a "high-value" target for the murderer until the murderer is confirmed dead.

guess what i'd like see is either votes for saldana or cronin and then mrs. white send in a conditional "kill whichever one doesn't get lynched" type PM.

I am in support of this idea. Anyone else?

[DaddyTorgo]

RendeR...you'll switch if it's necessary later to ensure a lynch on saldana or cronin though, right??

i honestly think path was just saying that earlier in the game to try to be flippant.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

1) I could be lying in order to try and draw wolves my way.

2) I could be a seer.

3) I could be Green.

Take your choice.

What possible reason do you have for pulling the wolves your way? Unless your the BG you can't stop them. And then you only stop 1, if they tag team you you're still dead.

Green and Plum? what do they know? They don't know who peacock is either.

Keep digging. We have plenty of rope.

[Neon_Chaos]

dola

Of course, this is all moot if Mrs. White hasn't been online the past couple of hours, or hasn't been reading at all.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

RendeR...you'll switch if it's necessary later to ensure a lynch on saldana or cronin though, right??

i honestly think path was just saying that earlier in the game to try to be flippant.

I will indeed try to ensure a lynch, ties gain us nothing.

I agree he may have just been screwing around, but after his last response I doubt it more. I think he messed up.

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

RendeR...you'll switch if it's necessary later to ensure a lynch on saldana or cronin though, right??

i honestly think path was just saying that earlier in the game to try to be flippant.

No I wasn't. You, Telle and Crim are top of my list.