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Old 03-11-2015, 06:50 PM   #701
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Old 03-11-2015, 06:55 PM   #702
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You've got three hours. You can't address my concerns in that time?

Fair warning though, I won't be lynched toDay, and if you're not around when the wagon swings off of me it could be problematic for you.


I guess this is the post in question. I take this more as Font revealing that she was going to reveal a role if things came down to it. My question is why not do that day one or yesterday when there was a very good chance she would be lynched?
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Old 03-11-2015, 06:56 PM   #703
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Hey people. Time to use your brains.

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Wait. How would you have stopped your hypothetical lynch today then? Are you hinting at two different roles? What's up, font?
1. I said I wasn't going to be lynched toDay, implying that I was a powerrole. With EF claiming and me finally getting a shot at doing something you can take as a guess as to why I didn't clarify.

2.If I were the scum in this grouping, I would have claimed Rowena instead of my near useless role and made the seer counterclaim me.

3. Cheek scum slipped. I've played hardball town. Get your shit together townies.
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Old 03-11-2015, 06:57 PM   #704
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I guess this is the post in question. I take this more as Font revealing that she was going to reveal a role if things came down to it. My question is why not do that day one or yesterday when there was a very good chance she would be lynched?
Because I have balls of steel.

I made that post toDay as a fair warning to Cheek, because he said he wouldn't be around. It sucks to be the default lynch when everyone scrambling to get off a power role.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:06 PM   #705
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Anyway, my money's on a Cheek/Grover/Saldana/Zinto scumteam, with a side chance of Homer. Saldana works in every Cheek!scum world, so make sure he dies.

Use the chart. I'm not sure it entirely applies to brit, JAG and Chief, but this scumteam isn't exactly on top of roleclaims either (Cheek went for the option that felt safe instead of the most useful one).
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:11 PM   #706
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I'm actually think the Day 1 voting points to Suicane being town, and Cheek being reluctant to be the deciding vote on any townie.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:19 PM   #707
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Hey. People. If Cheek and I are the only ones with votes by the end of the Day, and all the scum roles are in the game, Entukku's going to kill me with him.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:20 PM   #708
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Post Time Voter Vote Unvote 76 4:07 Narcizo britrock88 80 7:04 Zinto GoldenEagle 81 7:11 JAG saldana 82 7:45 EagleFan Zinto 88 8:11 timmae Grover 96 9:57 Grover Suicane75 101 10:29 Chief Rum Raven 108 11:43 Raven Suicane75 112 11:57 cheekimonk timmae 123 12:25 Suicane75 Grover 128 12:28 britrock88 JAG 134 12:43 path12 britrock88 152 14:18 britrock88 timmae JAG 160 15:50 EagleFan Zinto 161 15:52 EagleFan Raven 163 15:57 JAG GoldenEagle saldana 166 16:25 Narcizo GoldenEagle britrock88 174 16:55 Chief Rum Suicane75 Raven 176 17:19 timmae JAG Grover 177 17:23 Suicane75 GoldenEagle Grover 180 18:06 HomerSimpson98 fontisian 189 18:35 JAG fontisian GoldenEagle 190 18:35 GoldenEagle Suicane75 192 18:42 Raven fontisian Suicane75 197 18:58 cheekimonk britrock88 timmae 204 19:11 path12 GoldenEagle britrock88 207 19:13 EagleFan GoldenEagle Grover 214 19:34 Grover fontisian Suicane75 216 20:02 JAG Suicane75 fontisian 223 20:25 GoldenEagle fontisian Suicane75 237 20:49 EagleFan Raven GoldenEagle 239 21:22 cheekimonk Raven britrock88 240 21:37 timmae GoldenEagle JAG 242 21:48 EagleFan fontisian Raven 244 21:54 fontisian GoldenEagle Raven

I didn't fix color for Raven and timmae, I think font's Raven vote is missing too.

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Time Post Voter Type Votee Count 21:21 264 EagleFan vote Saldana 1 21:27 267 JAG vote Zinto 1 22:39 271 Path12 vote Grover 1 8:43 279 Cheekimonk vote Suicane75 1 9:31 285 Timmae vote Suicane75 2 10:32 290 Suicane75 vote EagleFan 1 11:16 304 Britrock88 vote Fontisian 1 12:10 312 Grover vote Fontisian 2 12:42 314 Fontisian vote Grover 2 13:16 328 Grover unvote Fontisian 1 13:26 330 Raven vote Fontisian 2 13:26 331 Britrock88 unvote Fontisian 1 13:26 331 Britrock88 vote Suicane75 3 14:14 341 EagleFan unvote Saldana 0 14:14 341 EagleFan vote Grover 3 14:15 342 HomerSimpson98 vote Raven 1 14:17 344 Grover vote Suicane75 4 16:07 354 Saldana vote Fontisian 2 16:21 356 Chief Rum vote Suicane75 5 17:23 359 EagleFan unvote Grover 2 17:23 359 EagleFan vote Timmae 1 18:01 366 JAG unvote Zinto 0 18:08 367 Suicane75 unvote EagleFan 0 18:08 367 Suicane75 vote Grover 3 19:06 384 EagleFan unvote Timmae 0 19:08 387 Zinto vote Raven 2 19:19 394 Timmae unvote Suicane75 4 19:23 396 Fontisian unvote Grover 2 19:37 401 Chief Rum unvote Suicane75 3 19:37 401 Chief Rum vote Fontisian 3 19:41 403 EagleFan vote Suicane75 4 19:59 417 Cheekimonk unvote Suicane75 3 19:59 417 Cheekimonk vote Grover 3 20:09 432 Fontisian vote Raven 3 20:19 445 Timmae vote Raven 4 20:19 446 Suicane75 unvote Grover 2 20:19 446 Suicane75 vote Raven 5 20:35 460 Timmae unvote Raven 4 20:35 460 Timmae vote EagleFan 1 20:37 463 EagleFan unvote Suicane75 2 20:37 463 EagleFan vote Cheekimonk 1 20:38 465 JAG vote Grover 3 20:45 478 Suicane75 unvote Raven 3 20:45 478 Suicane75 vote EagleFan 2 20:47 481 EagleFan unvote Cheekimonk 0 20:47 481 EagleFan vote Suicane75 3 20:56 497 Timmae unvote EagleFan 1 20:56 497 Timmae vote Raven 4 20:58 504 JAG unvote Grover 2 20:58 504 JAG vote Raven 5
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:22 PM   #709
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My case against cheek...

The back and forth between he and Suicane looked a little contrived.

His reveal seems rather fake. A while between him hinting and revealing. The reveal has the smell of something a vet would tell him to try, just the right role to reveal due to his circumstance of not being around tonight.

His reaction to being a leading vote getter. Takes it far too lightly at first, like a new player that is a wolf would handle it; not wanting to cause a stir. A new player that is a villager would have been a lot more vocal. It's the deer in headlights look most of us had the first time we were a wolf and had the village looking at us.

Finally, and most important... his knowledge of my role and how it relates to what the wolves can do. There isn't anything specific in the role that is posted that says what he said. I PM'd Jackal to get some details after I found out that I was scanned last night. cheek's take on it seems quite a bit like what I read into the response that I got back.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:26 PM   #710
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Oh, and I counterclaimed him. Let's not forget that.

Seriously, does it make any sense at all for me to counter Cheek instead of trying to out another role as scum? Cheek lied. I am telling the truth. Ugh.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:30 PM   #711
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Dammit. This is too hard.

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Old 03-11-2015, 07:30 PM   #712
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:32 PM   #713
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Thank you, likely scum.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:34 PM   #714
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After rereading him today, I feel better about this.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:34 PM   #715
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The reason for Cheek over Font is that Cheek seemed to really go over how the kills work and then seemed to think he was going to turn into a BG replacement.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:37 PM   #716
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The only one I trust here is EF. And while his take is logical it isn't iron clad. Like Grover said, this sucks.

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Old 03-11-2015, 07:40 PM   #717
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Ok. Now that we've figured that out, we need to designate 1-2 other people and have a single vote on each, to prevent Entukku's power from being used without risking killing a scum, and also without depleting the majority lynch enough to allow a last minute swing by scum onto me.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:43 PM   #718
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This was my original vote. Sticking with it now.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:44 PM   #719
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Ok. Now that we've figured that out, we need to designate 1-2 other people and have a single vote on each, to prevent Entukku's power from being used without risking killing a scum, and also without depleting the majority lynch enough to allow a last minute swing by scum onto me.

Oh, good catch on that. I thought the wolves got to pick the second lynch, not that it was random.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:47 PM   #720
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:49 PM   #721
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Entukku - Once per game can initiate a double lynch, where the winning vote getter and a random vote getter from that day ..[/quote]

Doesn't matter how many others there are. Just that you are a vote getter
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:50 PM   #722
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F'ng iPhone butchered that post. My bad. Point I was making is that it doesn't matter that there is 2 or 8 vote getters
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:52 PM   #723
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Hey people. Time to use your brains.


1. I said I wasn't going to be lynched toDay, implying that I was a powerrole. With EF claiming and me finally getting a shot at doing something you can take as a guess as to why I didn't clarify.

2.If I were the scum in this grouping, I would have claimed Rowena instead of my near useless role and made the seer counterclaim me.

3. Cheek scum slipped. I've played hardball town. Get your shit together townies.

this is a purely meta post, and has nothing to with the game

but is it necessary to insult people?

its werewolf...do we need to directly call people as "scum" every 10 minutes?

there will always be conflict...thats the nature of the game, but i have said this before in games...attack the play, not the player...personal attacks have no place here, and if they do, i am done playing.
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Entukku - Once per game can initiate a double lynch, where the winning vote getter and a random vote getter from that day ..

Doesn't matter how many others there are. Just that you are a vote getter[/quote]

It matters because if too many people go off the wolf, the vote could potentially be swung by the wolves to a villager, especially if they are close to endgame with a mislynch.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:55 PM   #725
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this is a purely meta post, and has nothing to with the game

but is it necessary to insult people?

its werewolf...do we need to directly call people as "scum" every 10 minutes?

there will always be conflict...thats the nature of the game, but i have said this before in games...attack the play, not the player...personal attacks have no place here, and if they do, i am done playing.
Scum is the term for any non-town role. It's not an insult. Neither is a general call to think about what you're doing a personal attack.
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this is a purely meta post, and has nothing to with the game

but is it necessary to insult people?

its werewolf...do we need to directly call people as "scum" every 10 minutes?

there will always be conflict...thats the nature of the game, but i have said this before in games...attack the play, not the player...personal attacks have no place here, and if they do, i am done playing.

I think scum is just the term they use for wolves wherever font plays most, like townie is her term for villager. I don't believe she is calling someone a scum as in a real insult.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:56 PM   #727
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I'm pretty torn here. This might be the most uneasy I've felt about a claim war.

A possibility to consider: font is brutal, we mislynch and its down to 6-4 or 5-4 if the wolves get a double kill with removing EF. Then if they have the double lynch role or we lynch font, we lose because they get an extra kill or two depending on what roles they have.

On the other hand, we might have the neutral role which could counter that. The stakes are high though.

Wouldn't it then be better to lynch her now since the Brutal doesn't take effect until after Druss is dead?

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I feel you would have known that.
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Old 03-11-2015, 07:59 PM   #728
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Weren't you guys claiming that I was playing like a cunning? Now I'm a likely brutal all of sudden?
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The past hour really makes me feel like font and JAG are playing you guys.
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Weren't you guys claiming that I was playing like a cunning? Now I'm a likely brutal all of sudden?

I'm just quoting JAG. I don't think you are a brutal necessarily. But even if his question was true, you're not until AFTER EF DIES WHICH PEOPLE HE HAS NOT.

It's JAG being misleading, and JAG is nothing if not detail oriented. You two are wolves.
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:03 PM   #731
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Scum is the term for any non-town role. It's not an insult. Neither is a general call to think about what you're doing a personal attack.

perhaps somewhere else it is, but it never has been here.

and "use your brains" and "get your shit together", while not directed at any one individual, are insulting to the people you are referring to (which includes me, who was insulted, so i can speak to this point rather confidently)
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Wouldn't it then be better to lynch her now since the Brutal doesn't take effect until after Druss is dead?



I feel you would have known that.

You're right. Normally I'm not this embarrassingly bad with rules, but here I've mistaken a couple obvious things. The only thing I can say is I've spent my time going through posts and votes, not looking at page 1. I recalled there was a double lynch bad guy because I hadn't remembered seeing that role before, but I forgot how his power worked and that the brutal didn't appear until Druss was gone.

I stand by my vote of cheek though. I didn't really see what EF and font did at first read, reading again I think he overstepped.
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perhaps somewhere else it is, but it never has been here.

and "use your brains" and "get your shit together", while not directed at any one individual, are insulting to the people you are referring to (which includes me, who was insulted, so i can speak to this point rather confidently)
It's the terminology used on almost every site that plays games beyond werewolf. The largest mafia site is actually called "mafiascum." It's so completely integral to gameplay on every site I play except this one, that I don't think I could stop using it if I tried.

Can you explain what's insulting about the other two? They're fairly common phrases in my day to day life, which is admittedly among a younger and more vulgar group of people than frequent this website.
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You're right. Normally I'm not this embarrassingly bad with rules, but here I've mistaken a couple obvious things. The only thing I can say is I've spent my time going through posts and votes, not looking at page 1. I recalled there was a double lynch bad guy because I hadn't remembered seeing that role before, but I forgot how his power worked and that the brutal didn't appear until Druss was gone.

I stand by my vote of cheek though. I didn't really see what EF and font did at first read, reading again I think he overstepped.

Y'know, if this was a hugely complicated game I could totally buy that.

Here there are 10 possible roles, each with a one line description. Not buying it.
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Y'know, if this was a hugely complicated game I could totally buy that.

Here there are 10 possible roles, each with a one line description. Not buying it.
Path, why would he lie about something that easy to check?
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Can you explain what's insulting about the other two?

are you seriously asking what is insulting about telling a full grown adult to "use your brain"?...basically saying "hey, you are stupid"...nah...not insulting at all.
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Path, why would he lie about something that easy to check?

Because he has a reputation as one of the very best players around here and people will usually trust him without checking for themselves. Hell, I've taken false vote counts at face value before. It's ballsy but you guys NEED tonight to take out Druss. It's actually kind of cracking me up that he is helping you to do it.
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Y'know, if this was a hugely complicated game I could totally buy that.

Here there are 10 possible roles, each with a one line description. Not buying it.

If it was a complicated game, I would've been much more on top of the rules. You don't want to believe it, that's fine, but it's the truth. I've been trying to hunt wolves as I believe my posting history shows.
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Path, why would he lie about something that easy to check?

Why in the hell are you chiming in on this? You accused cheeki of the same crap. I swear it's like you want to be lynched
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are you seriously asking what is insulting about telling a full grown adult to "use your brain"?...basically saying "hey, you are stupid"...nah...not insulting at all.
Of course not. It means you aren't thinking in this specific case. If you were stupid, you wouldn't have a brain to use.
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:17 PM   #741
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If cheek ends up being a commoner, I am voting font and not budging from it tomorrow.
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If cheek ends up being a commoner, I am voting font and not budging from it tomorrow.

Probably too late then.
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Why in the hell are you chiming in on this? You accused cheeki of the same crap. I swear it's like you want to be lynched
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Seriously.

Cheek did not lie (well, except when he roleclaimed, though that was a result of desperation). He had access information he could only acquire as a wolf. I'm sure his explanation of the scum ability to kill Drass is accurate.
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Well, I'm only in and out after about five more minutes or so. Any vote count?
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:21 PM   #746
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:22 PM   #748
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Seriously.

Cheek did not lie (well, except when he roleclaimed, though that was a result of desperation). He had access information he could only acquire as a wolf. I'm sure his explanation of the scum ability to kill Drass is accurate.

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Old 03-11-2015, 08:25 PM   #749
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